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Why let facts get in the way of opinion? Posters here made up their mind well before the night in question.

Not to trash Davis completely. He did have that magnificent TD where he wrenched the ball away from Minkah Fitzpatrick. That was All-Pro stuff. But I'll never forgot how he dropped that 65-yard Allen bomb at the end of the Jets game that hit him in stride on the numbers. He's better than a #3 receiver but not reliable or talented enough to be a true #2.

Well, remember last year when he said he had been lifting all offseason and had put on five+ pounds of muscle? I was optimistic then. Less so now.

Dorsey threw a fit because McKenzie caught a pass with seconds left on like the 16-yard line, and, for reasons known only to him, elected to stay in bounds to end the game. This is after he dropped a lateral to mar an otherwise excellent Dorsey game against the Rams and before other drops and idiot moves on McKenzie's part. Every coordinator deals with execution failures, but overcoming the loss of the short game due to Allen's injury, on top of the stunning incompetence of the slot receiver and two O-linemen, is asking a lot, especially for a first-year guy like Dorsey.

Dorsey was doing well until Allen got hurt and the short-passing game was compromised. Meanwhile, he had turnstiles at guard and tackle and unreliable receivers besides Diggs. If you want to point fingers, point them at Beane for signing Saffold and putting his faith in Brown, McKenzie, and Davis.

A little worrisome is an understatement. Brown and "struggle" are synonymous; plus, he's been out for significant stretches both seasons he's played, and his replacement, Quessenberry, is the one who got Allen hurt with a blown block against the Jets. And who's behind the Quessenberry? OT is the only glaring weakness on the roster at this point. I really thought Beane would bring in a veteran to truly compete with Brown. He said he would.

Beane said he planned to bring in a "veteran" to challenge Brown (in the context of giving Brown a vote of confidence). Easy to see Brown struggling again. He struggled as a rookie, did well for a stretch, got Covid, and struggled some more. Last year, he struggled most of the year (yeah, yeah, back surgery). Struggling is what he does. RT is easily the biggest question mark on the roster right now. Thinking of Bates over there is the only way I sleep at night.

I didn't consider moving Bates to right tackle and having Brown be the swing tackle. If Brown hasn't improved, that might be the best option.

I've been looking for Beane to add a veteran free agent, but so far it's all guards all the time. As you say, Brown might improve, but then again he might not, and he might get injured yet again. Quessenberry is just a warm body and would need help from Knox on virtually all plays.

Not sure it's "they." Could be just Allen, who prefers going long, even if it's low percentage. That's why I think they were hoping for Addison in the draft. Last year, there seemed to be a disconnect between Beane and Dorsey, with Beane bending over backwards to secure a receiving back (settling on Hines) that Dorsey appeared to ignore. Or, again, it could have been Allen. He didn't want to check down, didn't even want to throw to Knox. He wanted to go deep to Diggs, and things didn't click very well when teams figured out they should double team him. So is Kincaid a check-down option or a deep threat? He may be something in between, like Shakir, Crowder, and Beasley. I'm just hoping someone will emerge as deep threat. Most likely possibility: Davis has a resurgence.

You know, the Kincaid-Torrence picks may be the most significant combo picks since Allen-Edmunds, in terms of what they allow the team to do. Think about it from the perspective of the opposing defensive coordinator. If you put in a linebacker to cover Kincaid, you're playing right into the Bills offensive strengths. But if you bring a DB, you're now facing Damien Harris running behind Torrence and Brown (who is a terrific run blocker even if he mostly sucks at pass pro), with Knox blocking downfield and Kincaid at least getting in the way of some DBs. Taken together, Kincaid and Torrence have given the Bills a second dimension. Do the Bills get that? If they do, look for Beane to sign another power back soon.

I read that he had a lot of drops early in his career, disappointing many after being a highly recruited high school player. Then after that, he dropped very few. Also that his draft stock was held down by his built-up speed, limiting his game to a Gabe-Davis deep threat type player. Maybe he could replace Davis if Davis continues to drop the ball in clutch situations.

My fear is that Beane is overcompensating there, too--for letting Wyatt Teller go to the Browns. Will he stick with Brown even if the evidence continues to pile up that he's over his head? I'm trying to be optimistic, but visions of Brown being ragdolled by Melvin Ingram in the AFC championship game are hard to shake.

I'm guessing he was horrified seeing Bates and Saffold play. Bates was at least uneven; Saffold was an atrocity and would have been benched if any reserve at all was ready. Now Beane appears to be overcompensating.

But isn't this essentially saying they just drafted a backup, not in the sixth round or via free agency but in the THIRD round? I have no problem with the kid, just where the Bills took him.

Exactly. Were there really no developmental OTs to develop? At best, Beane is acknowledging he probably wasted a third-round pick on Bernard last year. Now he's spent two third-round picks on backups to Milano. Isn't that what the later rounds are for?

What do you suppose the plan is? Now they have three starting-quality guards.

Yes, you're right. I was venting my frustration to a degree after seeing Brown so often miss his block. It seemed that Allen's routine was to go back, dodge Brown's missed block, dodge Saffold's blown assignment, and only then get ready to throw. Your assessment is more sober and accurate.

He's been underutilized because he's had to help the incompetent Spencer Brown do his job. If Brown improves (as Beane expects) or if we find a decent right tackle, Knox can go back to catching balls.

I'm thinking Beane's going to trade up with Jacksonville to take Addison in front of the Giants.

Too early to judge Bernard. But it really seems unlikely Basham will live up to his second-round draft status. He'll forever be the guy they took instead of Creed Humphrey, an All-Pro center for our biggest rival who could have played guard for us. And it's not hindsight: as the OP says, pretty much all fans were like "WTF?" Somebody should run a snap poll when the Bills are on the clock in every round. (I'll be traveling and can't.) Then, in two years, we can compare the TBD's consensus picks with Beane's. I'm not sure the board would do a better job than Beane, but I suspect his picks weren't be vastly better. That says more about the crapshoot nature of the draft than Beane's prowess or our perspicacity.

With JSM long gone, Giants take Addison and the Chiefs trade up one spot ahead of us to take Flowers, leaving us with Johnson, who doesn't fit our needs, and three players who should be taken in the second-round: Hyatt, Downs, and Mims. I don't think that's the end of the world, since we could trade down and pick up a fourth or fifth. But a Hopkins trade would be imperative if we want to go all the way this year. Diggs, Hopkins, Downs, Davis, Shakir, Harty, Sherfield, along with Knox and one of the TE in the draft... I'll take that.

Or Fred Rouse, Willie Williams, Ryan Perrilloux, Ben Olson, James Banks, Darrell Scott, Mitch Mustain, Kyle Wright..... https://bleacherreport.com/articles/699015-college-football-recruiting-the-20-worst-5-star-recruiting-busts-of-the-2000s

Those first three are agonizing, especially considering the players still on the board at this point, or the players they could have drafted if they had packaged the pick and moved up (or down, for that matter). Ford, Epenesa, Basham. Wow.

So is the lazy reading habits of people on this board. Note the conditional tense in my post. And also note that the OP assumed Araiza hooked up with the "wrong girl." How about assuming her innocence?