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7 hours ago, Matt_In_NH said:
The cap hits in future years get adjusted all the time. You think he will have a 97M cap hit in 29? That is just what it says on paper, same wth 2030, it will be north of 27M. He will get a redone deal probably after this year. Unless he wants to just "be nice" he deserves to have an AAV approaching 60M, it will happen in due time.
Hurts is big time overrated. The Eagles won because they had an excellent O line. Hurts can't carry them passing the ball. He showed that in the second of last season. The same with Trevor Lawrence. He has been decent for his 3 years in the league. Decent QB's are way overvalued in the NFL. Its going to be the same with Dak Prescott. Are the Cowboys going to fall into that trap as well? Unless gets real close to winning a Super Bowl, I let Dak walk and draft or bring someone in a lot cheaper.
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15 hours ago, WideNine said:
That will be interesting as I thought I heard Marino and others mention that less teams were doubling Diggs last year.
We will see, I think receiver by committee is the best approach, but QBs will always favor anyone who is clutch for them whenever they need that kind of a play.
That's why you always try to take their primary away to force them out of that safety blanket...
Easier said than done apparently. I am still baffled by how much Kelce gets wide open. Nike must have some kind of radar absorbent material he wears.
Kelce gets so wide open because noone ever drills him at the line of scrimmage when he releases. He is a big man. And safety's today are not overly physical. Bracketing him with a tall LB in front and a safety behind him seems like a smart idea. But then again most LB's are not very tall anymore either. Bryan Erlacher would have been the perfect LB to try and cover Kelce. We had Tremaine Edmunds. He is tall. But he couldn't cover anyone.
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2 hours ago, Cray51 said:
Gabe may be one of the most polarizing players for fans/local media/national media. His stats are that of a #3, has never had a season above 850 yards, and has a sub 60% catch rate. However, he is a plus blocker, and seemed to have some really good games where he would explode.
I think not giving him 14M a year was incredibly smart, his pure production can be replaced for a fraction. However, I'll be interested to see who takes the blocking detail in our zone run schemes. If Claypool or Coleman can use their size to block DBs, Gabe wont me missed for a second
I agree 100. Gabe is not a 14M/year pro football player. He is a good teammate and works hard. But does not have exceptional athletic ability for the NFL game. Not everyone does. Doesn't mean he can't play because he can. (Compared to a Trent Sherfield he is all world.) He just doesn't have any special traits that make him indispensable to an NFL roster.
Really surprised how much Jacksonville paid him. (But then again not really. Something about that franchise and Doug Pederson that kind of screams clown show-sure Pederson won a Super Bowl w the Eagles. But I like the way McDermott runs an NFL team a whole lot better then the Pederson way)
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On 6/10/2024 at 2:51 PM, Cray51 said:
In aggregate, Davis year to year is a #3 on a top 5 offense. I'd love if Claypool can do that. There are legit questions as to whether he can. I'm hopeful
I just looked up Gabe's stats for his 4 years on the Bills. And that's a fair assessment of his production. Just wish he would have been more dominant on a week in, week out basis.
It will be interesting to see what Claypool can do with a great QB.
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18 hours ago, BearNorth said:
1949-1953 Yankees won 5 straight titles, Yogi, Whitey, Mickey, Scooter, Joe Dimaggio, Ralph Houk, Allie Reynolds, Hank Bauer, Billy Martin. 487-280 [.637 win %] over 5 seasons.
That's impressive Bear. A little before my time. I was in elementary school when the A's were dominant in the 70's.Here is a tidbit, my girlfriend's grandfather played in the major leagues for a decade from 1938 to 1947. His name was Roy Cullenbine. Played for a bunch of teams. Had a real solid career too, when you look up his stats. He may have had the most walks of any player in MLB history at the time he retired.
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16 hours ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said:
Tomlin won 2 superbowls with Big Ben.
So what is McDermotts excuse ? He has Josh
Bills team with Josh is every bit as good as the steelers superbowl team with Big Ben
Tomlin won one Super Bowl. Big Ben's first Super Bowl was Cowher's last year.
McDermott's defenses have folded in the playoffs. We just haven't been good enough. Pittsburgh's front 7 back in the early Tomlin years was much more dominant then the Bills front 7. They had James Harrison, James Farrior Lamar Woodley Casey Hampton Lawrence Timmons, Brett Keisel etc. Just a better unit then ours. We had Tremaine Edmunds Jordan Phillips, Shaq Lawson etc. You get the picture. And last year when we finally had studs at LB in Milano and Bernard, they and a bunch of other guys were injured in the playoffs.
Tomlin's teams the past many years have not been very good. They haven't sucked. But they have not been contenders. But Tomlin will be there a while. That's Pittsburgh's way. Unless they are 5-12, the Steelers will continue to be what they are. And that's fine with me. Because we have always matched up well against them since McDermott has been our head coach.
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On 6/10/2024 at 11:57 AM, LeGOATski said:
I could see him making a trade for a high upside DB or C at low value.
Agree about bringing in another boundary CB. Benford, Douglas (anyone know why he has not been at OTA's) and Elam as your top 3 is good, if Benford can stay healthy and Elam steps up his game several notches. But I would like another solid CB who can start when needed.
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On 6/5/2024 at 12:07 PM, Cray51 said:
I always felt Claypool had the talent, just not the consistency in effort. You dont just magically have two 850 yard seasons if you can't at least hang in the league.
If McD and Brady are able to get him straight and he can have a gabe davis like role on this team (blocking + deep threat + suspect catch rate) that would be a welcomed addition at a discount
Setting the bar at Gabe Davis' overall production in his 4 years with the Bills is not very high. He had one great playoff game, a second very good playoff game against Indy and the rest of his regular seasons with us were very up and down. Never consistently good to very good. Claypool has a lot more athletic ability then Gabe Davis. Whether that translates onto the field as a very good WR for us remains to be seen. But I am encourage from what I am hearing.
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2 hours ago, AlfaBill said:
Growing up in Edmonton during that time I can absolutely agree. We didn’t realize how lucky we were. Also remember that they managed to win another cup after Gretzky, Coffee were traded and Fuhr missed the season with an injury.
The Oilers were amazing. Loved watching them. Used to think I was Gretzky playing street hockey growing up. Dreamed of playing for them.
I still believe he is the best team athlete of all time. His numbers were just ridiculous.
I talk to people who follow hockey closely today and say that Gretzky went up against a lot of stiffs back in the day compared to the skill of players today. That maybe true. But the game was so much more physical and rough back in the 80’s and 90’s. Lots of cross checking from behind into the boards. Slashes to the hands. Everyone looking to give a cheap shot when given the chance. And tons of fighters on every team. And Gretz still ran circles around and through opponents. Watching the Oilers rush the puck was a thing of beauty.
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On 6/6/2024 at 5:14 PM, PonyBoy said:
Oilers for sure. Islanders were good mention as well from the 80's, late 70's Candiens too.
You didn't say Pro, so I would think UConn women's basketball under Geno is an top choice.
Nebraska football had quite a run, the Miami Hurricanes way up there too with a bunch of future NFL pros and HOF'ers.
Detroit Red Wings from around 1990-2015 were tremendous. Made the playoffs 26 straight seasons.
Pittsburgh Penguins early 90’s had as much offensive talent as any hockey team ever. They just didn’t do it as long as the Islanders Habs or Red Wings.
Oakland A’s 1972-1974 won 3 straight World Series And were a wild and crazy bunch of guys. So fun to watch.
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On 6/5/2024 at 1:34 PM, Alphadawg7 said:
Honestly, I don't even know...I mean I think a 4th rounder is probably about the most they could get and I would guess offers would start with a 5th. Personally, I think Knox is a pretty good TE, I think from a talent perspective a 4th or late 3rd isn't unreasonable, the issue is he doesn't have the resume because he was not used as a primary weapon here which was a combo of the OC's in Daboll and Dorsey as well as the weaknesses in the OL where Knox had to be an extra blocker a lot.
Daboll forgot the guy was on the team until the 2nd half of the last season Daboll was here where Knox finished with a career high 9 TD's and it looked like finally Knox was going to be used more. Then Dorsey did the same thing his first season until later in the season he remember Knox played on this team and he finished with 6 TD's. Last year was the arrival of Kincaid who is the better weapon, but not the better overall TE when you factor all the duties of a complete TE...at least not yet.
I just can't see Beane considering a 5th, he has more value to us than that this year IMHO. He might think hard about it for a 4th, but we already have three 4th round picks in the next draft, so not sure he feels the need to pull that trigger.
I honestly think it is unlikely he gets traded unless someone is willing to something like this in which I will use the Giants in this example: Giants send us their 3rd round pick and the Bills send back Knox and one of our three 4th round picks. If someone was willing to do that, I think that would get Beanes attention.
But ultimately, I still think it's most likely he is a Bill for 2024.
Good analysis Alpha. I appreciate that. I agree that we should not trade him before this season for a 4th. A 3rd and sending the other team Knox and a later 4th sounds solid. I think Knox is decent. Even good at times. Don't think he has very good hands though. Doesn't pluck the ball when its coming to him. And can not catch anything low. Ball always seems to hit the ground. He is a good blocker, and a tough player. And is pretty solid in the red zone. I wish he was a little more athletic and twitchy. But that is not who he is. But I think he will be a good complementary piece to Kincaid this season. And if he is willing to continue to redo his contract, Beane might keep him around a little longer. (And lets not forget Quinton Morris. He could be sneaky good this year, if we incorporate him more into the offense.)
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17 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:
Umm unless your name is Tom Brady plenty of quarterbacks fall off at 33 or 34 lmao especially back in the day when you are allowed to punish quarterbacks
Including our own Jim Kelly
Donovan McNabb was really f****** good... 35,000 yards , 230 touchdowns
Strong , mobile.. and a winner... This is Ludacris that people try to downplay Donovan McNabb
Wow never heard such praise for McNabb. He was good. But not nearly at the level you are yapping about! Didn't he lose to Tampa like four years in a row in the playoffs? And I don't think TO thought very much of him. LOL
I liked Donavan McNabb's game. But would take Phillip Rivers and Randall Cunningham both over him. Just my personal opinion having watched them all play a lot of football.
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22 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:
Let me open by saying I am not advocating for or expecting a Knox trade, but I also would not rule it out.
First, under Brady the team ran a lot less 12 personnel last year, so keeping him just for that isn't as critical at this stage. Although, to be fair, we don't actually know what a real Brady led offense is going to look like yet either, so he could have a lot more 12 personnel plans this year. But...and most importantly...Knox carries a reasonable cap hit this year at $7.7m, but that balloons to $14m next year which there is no way we are paying Knox $14m next year. Obviously, there are multiple options to deal with that, and trading him is one of those.
Cap wise, it's probably easier to find a trade partner this year. And Knox absolutely has tradable value as he was a productive TE before we drafted Kincaid despite not being a featured part of the offense. The 2 years prior he had 15 TDS and avg nearly 50 rec and 500 yards. He is a good all around TE and would absolutely be an upgrade on a number of teams around the NFL, some with playoff aspirations this year.
So right now might be the best market Beane will see for a Knox trade. Another season buried on the target priority list behind Keon, Kincaid, Shakir, Samuel, and our RB's means another down year for production do to lack of opportunity (unless injuries change that) here which puts him next year 2 years out from when he was last productive while carrying a $14m price tag.
But...Given our plans, the continued SB aspirations this year, the amount of turnover already on the offense, etc I still don't expect to see a trade happen. But, I would not rule it out for the reasons I already stated, especially since this may be Beane's one shot of getting decent value for him via trade.
Interesting thoughts Alpha. What would you hope to get in return for a trade of Knox? Knox is a solid NFL player but certainly not a big time game changer at his position.
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23 hours ago, Freddie's Dead said:
Farewell Tommy Doyle, and we thank you.
What are you thanking him for? Playing with a torn ACL at Miami in the heat bowl two years ago I assume.
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18 hours ago, Chicken Boo said:
Never forget to add Willie Roaf in there.
(My personal favorite)
Good call CB on Willie Roaf. He was real good for the Saints. Played a long time ago. 1993-2005. I always remember him having a huge upper body, and his legs looked real skinny like he would topple. lol But he was a stud.
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5 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said:
Maybe the greatest olineman to ever play the game.
One of the best w Anthony Munoz and maybe John Hannah Dwight Stephenson and Mike Webster, at least in the modern era. That is too bad. The guy was like one of those houses being towed on the highway that say wide load. RIP.
Anyone know cause of death?
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On 5/29/2024 at 10:32 PM, HappyDays said:
The other perspective is that it's malpractice to elevate Shakir above the low-target role that his skill set probably deserves. Malpractice not just for the offense but for Shakir himself by laying bigger expectations on him than he can likely deliver.
In fact that is verbatim what happened with Gabe Davis. If he had remained the WR4 for his entire stint here I bet he would have gotten $18M per year this offseason. Some team would see what he did in that role and convince themselves he would explode in a more featured role, as most fans and analysts predicted after his divisional round performance. Instead we elevated his role which laid his faults out bare for everyone to see, and as a result he ended up getting Darnell Mooney money instead of Christian Kirk money.
Giving players the right amount of opportunity for their skill set is best for
On 5/31/2024 at 10:55 AM, BADOLBILZ said:They aren't going to roster 12 defensive backs on the 53. They have 10 now that all project to play roles on defense and/or special teams. And there will always be a version of Josh Norman kicking around on a practice squad somewhere to be an emergency boundary CB. They don't lack depth. Look at every other teams depth chart. They all have an Ingram or Hamlin type in their top 10. What the Bills lack are high end starters at safety. If they had prime Poyer and Hyde I doubt you'd be worried about Hamilin and Cam Lewis as the reserves. But the reality is that Edwards and Rapp were both starting safeties on SB winning teams in the very recent past. It's likely that they are "good enough".
You really think Hamlin has a place on any NFL team? His skill
set is terrible. He doesn’t move tackle or defend the pass well. And isn’t big or fast. It’s nice that he is still alive and he seems like a good guy. But not so much an NFL football player. We can use another solid top 8 DB in the weekly mix.
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On 5/28/2024 at 9:06 AM, GASabresIUFan said:
What happened to Cam Lewis (cb/s) and rookie Hardy? Both are making the team.
The best thing the Bills can do is nothing with the extra cap. Because of the youth transition on the roster many positions still look like they need help. If the kids step up, like Elam at CB or Bishop at S, then the issue goes away. If they don’t or significant injuries occur, Beane will have a war chest to fix the problem like he did with Douglas last year. This is one of those times to be patient.
Disagree. Lewis and Hardy. They both need to show something real solid to make the team. Maybe they will. But neither is a sure thing. Same w Elam. We have the extra cap space we should use it on another veteran DB and/or DL. The more good players we have the better.
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On 6/1/2024 at 11:04 AM, BADOLBILZ said:
Well......about that......
Diggs isn't going to the HOF......not with the numbers needed as an accumulator nowadays.
And the recent Bills teams will be as forgotten as the Marty Chargers or Marvin Lewis Bengals if they don't somehow win a SB soon.
So ultimately Diggs will probably be remembered most for making one of the greatest plays in postseason history.
Interesting thought about Diggs not going to the Hall of Fame.
The WR position is interesting in today’s game compared w that of even 10 15 20 years ago. A lot of catches today doesn’t mean nearly as much as what it used to be.
How many catches would the WR’s on Air Coryell or the Greatest Show on Turf have today? What about Andre Reed or Eric Moulds? What about Jimmy Smith and Keenan McCardell? The game doesn’t allow for nearly the physicality that it had in yesteryear. Just a different game catching when the safety can’t come running across the field and try and knock you out as the ball is landing in your hands. And the QB has to worry about being concussed on every drop back.
Peter King said he voted for guys to get in the HOF who changed the game. Not many do that today. Mahomes. Kelce. Josh Allen. Maybe Justin Jefferson at some point. Gronk. Brady Brees Maybe Justin Tucker. I wouldn’t put Lamar there. Because Mike Vick did it all first. And I would argue was at least as good and probably more exciting. Aaron Rodgers. Big Ben. Maybe Derrick Henry. Maybe Matt Stafford. Aaron Donald. The punter from the Raiders and Texans who was drafted the same year as Janakowski. (His name escapes me at the moment) Was tremendous. Charles Woodson. (Not many defenders from the modern game) Urlacher. Always fun to argue about and discuss that. I have always thought that Kent Hull should have gotten in the Hall. But maybe I am. biased. Great career. And a great guy.
There are a lot of great athletes today. But not many that transcend different eras of the game anymore.
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On 5/29/2024 at 8:56 PM, BarleyNY said:
Diggs did to Buffalo what he did to Minnesota. It is what it is. Things obviously broke down last season and his half-assed effort and performance - especially in the KC playoff loss - were the end of the relationship.
I don't think he’s at his peak performance-wise, but he’s still a quality WR. The Texans obviously believe that since they gave up Minny’s 2025 2nd for him plus a 2024 sixth and 2025 fifth back.
I also give Beane credit for getting that much back for Diggs. But he doesn’t get a victory lap. In 2022 Beane also extended Diggs for three seasons (2024-2026). That cost the Bills an additional $20.8M in cash and cap the last two seasons than if he’d have just played out his contract. We’d have gotten a 3rd or 4th round comp pick for him in that case. So effectively we paid $20.8M to improve that comp pick to Minny’s 2nd, less the two picks we gave back. That’s not a win.
No GM is perfect in dolling out contracts. The Bills seemed mesmerized by Diggs the first 2 years. And paid him a big extension. That did not turn out the way they expected it to. The extensions being given out to WR's in today's game seem very high. (AJ Brown, Devante Smith, Nico Collins, etc) Guys have a good year, and they get paid huge money. To me its still a team game. The Eagles had their shot, and went in the toilet after the Bills game last year. So they pay their two WR's huge money who are both OK? Their defense was trash, and will likely still be.
Overall I think Beane has a great feel on what it takes to build a roster in today's NFL. And getting back the 2nd from the Texans was big. It will be interesting to see how both the Bills and Texans look this year. If we can stay reasonably healthy, we will be strongly in the mix come January. As for comp picks, I know football and I know numbers, but how that all works is beyond my pay grade.
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On 5/24/2024 at 5:24 PM, Rocky Landing said:
I mentioned upthread that I don't personally adhere to the perspective of one WR "replacing" another... Every receiver group is unique, and each receiver offers their own value to the group (and I assume you would agree with that?), but I don't agree with your assessment of Sherfield, or Harty.
I think Harty just wasn't a good fit for the Bills, beyond his return abilities (which were quite valuable, frankly). I'll bet that if Daboll were still our OC, Harty would have been much more productive, and probably still a Bill.
Trent Sherfield was a situational player that really wasn't used to his strengths (beyond being a "locker room guy"), outside of his blocking ability, which was... not bad (i suppose)... I honestly think he was culled for his "character," as much as his ability-- something Beane/McD take quite seriously (which I like, btw).
Not for nothing, both of these players are still in the NFL.
Your post did get me thinking though... In some ways, last season was more of a transition season than this one. We changed our identity as a team, first with the Dorsey experiment, and then with Brady. We shifted away from Diggs before the end of the season, shifted away from players like Harty (McKenzie light?), and established a more balanced approach. And at the end of the season, we started to look towards players that Allen would feel comfortable with-- not the OC du jour. This latest draft, and FA would suggest this, no? It wasn't a better version of McKenzie, or Harty, or Sherfield, or even Diggs we were missing. It was the big bodied, sure handed, bruising athletes that can "get the ball, or nobody gets it..." (Allen's words), right?
I'm excited as hell for this season. Whatever happens with our thin defense notwithstanding, this Bills' offense is not going to get pushed around.
GO BILLS!
(and, yo.... lay off the birds!!!)
Interesting post. (One of the things I like about this message board is the different perspectives of all the diehard Bills and Football fans in general on here that I get to read.) I will agree that Harty's big punt return for a TD at Miami on the final night of the regular season was a huge play. Maybe you are right about Daboll being more creative with using Harty then Dorsey and Brady were. I think Sherfield was totally forgettable. (He made one play all season)
Character is great. (I like the people that work for me to have it.) But you still need to be good at whatever you do in addition to having character. Character plus ability is what really counts.
But what I like that you said the most is that you are excited as hell for this season. I am too! With a lot of new faces, and a lot of big time games on the schedule, this is going to be a real fun year.
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22 hours ago, BarleyNY said:
Exactly. It was a necessary move based on the circumstances. It certainly was not what the team envisioned happening when they traded for him and when they extended him. That extension remains the biggest mistake in all of this. You can’t fix issues like Diggs had with extra cash. And he is getting insane money for this season.
Between the extra money the Bills paid Diggs to extend him for three seasons and what Houston is paying him for this one season - he is making $43.1M for 2024. That’s so messed up that he can force his way out of here and cash in like that at the same time.
Force his way out? His play the second half of last season forced his way out. He was putrid. I think the Bills were certainly not envisioning his game to fall off a cliff the second half of last season. I think we saw a decline in skills. A decline in intensity and effort. And a player looking beat up and old. That's a tough combo to overcome. He maybe somewhat better this year, until his mood changes for the worse again. But I think the All Pro Diggs is a thing of the past.
As for Beane, I think getting a 2nd round pick for #14 was a thing of genius.
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4 hours ago, BarleyNY said:
His college film had a ton of grabbing at the top of routes. That tells me that he doesn’t have the agility to stay with quick WRs. I think it’s that rather than a loss of focus, though a lack of confidence could contribute. I don’t know that this is fixable. The situation is made worse by his poor feel for zone so we can’t hide him there. He feels like the CB version of a talented WR who doesn’t run his routes correctly or understand his route options. That all said, I think the Bills’ plan is to try to coach him up and get him on the field to see if he’s salvageable.
Good points. I have always liked Elam's game more then some. (I was also a big Leodis McKelvin fan more then a lot of people too) But we all have our preferences in everything in life. So CB's are no different. I think the kid has some talent. He hasn't been great. But not horrible either. He had a big pick against the Steelers in the Wild Card game.
I think playing CB is a whole lot about confidence. All these guys are pretty athletic, otherwise they are not getting drafted high in the NFL. Some have a little more then others. Does Elam have the talent to be special like a Tre White pre injury, probably not? But I think he can turn into a solid starter at the NFL level. Just needs to believe in himself, and stay healthy.
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18 hours ago, Tortured Soul said:
Seems like a reasonable compromise for Collins and the Texans: guaranteed, life changing money on one year of top production at a significant discount to the top of the market.
Should the Bills be doing the same thing with Spencer Brown?
Interesting comparison to Spencer Brown. I think he has been pretty good at best so far. If he can stay healthy this year, and have a very good season we will pay him. If he falls back to mediocrity we can let him walk.
Dak wants 60 million a year
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Why do you think the Cowboys are hostage? They can move on from Dak. Are they going to be worse if they went with Cooper Rush or Trey Lance?
Teams get too smitten with some guys, just because they have been there a while. Look at the results. Dak is good at times. But he is no Josh Allen. Doesn't play with that fire. But Jerry loves his players. Thinks there always better then they really are. That's why the Cowboys are always a paper tiger. Management thinks because these guys have the star on their helmet they are something special. Cowboys didn't look too special playing in the rain and cold of Buffalo last year. Or in the playoffs at home against the Packers. And their coach Fatty McCarthy isn't very special either. McDermott has owned him.
But if the Cowboys were smart enough to let Dak walk, or at least wait to see what he brings to the team this year, some other team will be stupid enough to pay him big bucks, and get less production then they hoped for.
Here is a question for you and the entire board. Who would you rather have as your starting QB for the next 2-4 years, Jared Goff, Kirk Cousins or Dak Prescott? And throw in Jalen Hurts and Trevor Lawrence also.