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On 4/30/2024 at 10:38 AM, harmonkillebrew said:
I don't know what happened second half of last year to Diggs, but I don't put it on him alone. I think Brady's scheme and play calling and a lack of a real #2 were as much to blame. With Davis hitting FA, I would have liked to see Coleman added to pair WITH Diggs, not try and replace him. Now that would have been a WR room - Diggs, Keon, Samuel and Shakir! Could have given DCs fits.
But I think they probably did well to move on from Diggs. They just should have done more to address WR. Our WR room already needed an upgrade with Davis not producing consistently, but then when he left and then they also traded Diggs, more was needed.
Love your username. You must be a big Twins fan. I remember him as a real young kid.
I agree about doing more to address the WR position. I was disappointed that we did not double dip on another potential big time WR in the first few rounds of the draft. But I think after June 1st with the money coming free from the Tre White contract, we can try and add someone decent at the position. I have always liked Tyler Boyd from Cincinnati. And I am sure there are several other guys who can help us out on the market still as well. But I am excited about Keon Coleman. He is going to be a big timer.
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On 4/30/2024 at 1:20 PM, Shaw66 said:
I think you're both saying the same things: Diggs was a premier receiver for several years, and he certainly was a key part of the offense. It's not very likely that we're going to see that kind of production in many coming seasons.
And although I get that Diggs might simply be past the point where he can be again what he was, I expect a good year from him. He had special motivation when he came to Buffalo. He was motivated to show that the problem in Minnesota was Minnesota. 2024 he will be motivated in the same sense, to prove it wasn't him, it was Buffalo. I think the fire that burns in him has been reignited. The problem for Diggs is that his body's ability to respond to the fire is declining.
Good point Shaw. It will be interesting to see what he brings to the Texans, who have a good young QB (even though he is a Buckeye) and a pretty good ascending team. I look forward to us playing them this year.
I am very excited about the Bills this upcoming season. A change of a lot of players will bring some new juice and feel to the team. Things get stale after a while. We did not win a championship with the previous group. So lets see what this new group can do.
On 4/30/2024 at 11:04 AM, GunnerBill said:I am not sugar coating it. I am just not yet ready to say he is done. Maybe he was disinterested. Maybe he was nicked up. He'd definitely fallen out with Josh. He might be done. Or he might rebound in different circumstances. Neither of those would surprise me.
It will be interesting to see what the 2024 model of Stefan Diggs looks and plays like.
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22 hours ago, amprov56 said:
Thank you great post Bill Polian once said the Buffalo Bills historically hang on to players on the downward slope simply because they are fan favorites. Sammy Watkins caused an emotional breakdown among many much like Diggs! Great post
Thank you. And I like the Bill Polian and Sammy Watkins references..
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3 hours ago, GunnerBill said:
Stefon Diggs was an elite receiver. Whether he still is remains to be seen - that is fair - but he has six consecutive 1,000 yard seasons. Samuel's best year (which in fairness did come in a Joe Brady coordinated offense) was 851 yards. I would say that is super substantively lesser. Whether he is super substantively lesser than Stefon Diggs in 2024 we will see. But the Diggs we saw for at least 3 and a half years of his run in Buffalo? Yea. Samuel is a LOOOONG way short of that. I think Samuel could have a career year though. John Brown when forced into a #1 role by lack of alternatives had a thousand yard season for us. But he still wasn't close to what peak Stef Diggs was.
Gunner I like most of what you post. But don’t sugar coat it. Diggs was pretty bad the second half of last season. He could not get open down the field. He was dropping passes and looked disinterested.
I think he is pretty much done. A lot of guys have their day. But he isn’t balling out til he is 35 like a Larry Fitzgerald Jerry Rice or Tony Gonzalez. He was excellent for awhile, but not nearly in that pantheon.
The Bills did great to dump him on Houston for a 2nd round pick.
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1 hour ago, LabattBlue said:
I wouldn’t mind Corey Davis. Pretty sure he is an outside guy
What has he done in the pros?
Seems like he has been Injured his entire career.
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6 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:
That's all this is, like Edmunds. Give him an extra year to see if he can ever get to 10 sacks. If not, wave goodbye. I've been somewhat underwhelmed with Grootseau.
He certainly hasn’t been a star. But he plays hard and makes plays. How high his ceiling is at this point is the question. Let’s hope he takes his game to at least very good. We will have 2 years to find out.
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2 hours ago, Gregg said:
uSTADIUM on X: "Roger Goodell said on the McAfee Show that the #NFL is looking into an 18 game regular season and having the #SuperBowl fall during President’s Day Weekend … so most will have off that following Monday 😍😍 (🎥 @patmcafeeshow) https://t.co/59UZDivO6G" / X (twitter.com)
Makes sense. A 17-game season is dumb with the AFC and NFC alternating between 8 and 9 home games every other year. I would also add they should reduce the preseason to 2 games at most.
Who has off from work on Presidents Day in this era other then maybe banks?
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On 4/21/2024 at 10:28 AM, All_Pro_Bills said:
It was a time when sports was sports and not so much glitz and glamor entertainment. Guys just showed up and played. No celebrations about a 1st quarter interception. No music blaring and fireworks. No 60,000 people in the stands staring at their cell phones checking their fantasy league stats. Now the SB halftime show and commercials seem just as big a deal as the game itself.
Very well said All Pro Bills. Could not agree more. Look at the coin toss for the 1st Super Bowl between the Chiefs and the Packers. 3 or 4 people total on the field. LOL
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1 hour ago, L Ron Burgundy said:
Agreed. You do need players capable of fighting though should the need arise.
Definitely. What's wrong with being a fighting team, as long as you have some scorers too? The Flyers in the mid 70's were that. And they ruled the NHL world. Fighting was big in the NHL up til maybe the late 2000's. I haven't followed the Sabres in quite some time. At least the last 10 years. Why is fighting not big anymore in the NHL game? And were the Sabres ***** again this past season?
I used to be a huge fan. And loved when Lindy coached the team. Heck I remember when he played for the Sabres. He used to live in my subdivision (Ransom Oaks) in East Amherst back when he played for us. Him, Mike Ramsay and Mike Foligno (who lived right across from my house) in the early 80's. I feel like I am in Ground Hog day. LOL But very cool to have Lindy back. It like Lou Saban coming back to coach the Bills a second time.
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12 hours ago, jahnyc said:
With all of the negative stuff that has been leaking out as we get closer to the draft, I would be surprised if the Bills were trying to move up for Thomas or Mitchell. Granted, this seems to happen before every draft, some of the information being true and some not so much, but given our needs, I can't see Beane using resources to trade up for a pick that does not have high character. If this is the case, and the target is a WR, it suggests that he wants Odunze. Not sure that an "aggressive" trade up would be necessary for Worthy, but if Mitchell and Thomas are falling on draft boards, I guess it is possible that Worthy would be considered by some teams to be the 4th best WR option n the draft.
What have Mitchell and Thomas done since the last college season ended that they are falling on draft boards? I have read a bunch that the Bills are interested in trading up for Thomas.
No way do I mortgage the farm for any of the top 3 WR's. There are a lot of great WR's that are drafted after the first round. Personally I would rather trade back into the 2nd round and pick up another 2nd or 3rd and draft two good WR's on day 2. We have a great QB. He can make most WR's look pretty dam good. We have a lot of needs, and don't need to be the desperate team overpaying to move up for anyone who is not a QB. Beane does a good job. But he doesn't always have to be the outlier trading up for someone he loves like a Cody Ford, Devin Singletary or Kair Elam.
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On 4/19/2024 at 4:34 PM, Ralonzo said:
Leggette is a real wildcard. Brugler has a 3rd on him, but with the caveat that if a team looks at his tape and sees DK Metcalf they might use a 1.
Roman Wilson, I do like him, I just view him as a duplication of skills to Shakir in how you'd have to deploy him, i.e. mainly from the slot. The Bills already have the proven commodity there, that's not the hole on their WR corps.
There's a scenario and I think it's likely where you get 5 or more WR getting tabbed before 28, in which case you'd likely have a QB or 2 (Penix, Nix) dropping to the bottom of Round 1, and there's incentive for a team to pack a few picks to jump up for 1) their QB and 2) the 5th year option in case the QB hits. Or, maybe there's an OT run and a team has just one guy left they are interested in and wants to lock it up.
On the Rich Hill charts, the following teams are well positioned to offer proper value to move up to 28:
1) LV with #44, #77, #112 (there ain't a QB who's there at 13 who's worth it, but they're the Raiders, who knows)
2) ATL with #43, #74, #79, #109 (boy I'd love this one)
3) CAR with #33, #39, #65, #101 (if they don't believe in Bryce Young, and they shouldn't)
4) WAS with #36, #40, #67 and #78 (if they don't go QB at #2)
5) NE at #34 and #68 (if they go MHJ at #3)
Atlanta makes a ton of sense if they see a QB they want at 28. The Bills swapping #28, #128 and #204 is a dead-nuts-on value match for #43, #74 and #109. Add in #60 and the Bills can chalk off 4 positions from among their needs: WR, S, Edge, DT, OT.
That makes sense about Wilson. We need guys on the outside. I am impressed with your permutations on draft trades. Getting all of Washington's picks looks real nice. I am not crazy about taking an OT unless we are not planning on extending Spencer Brown. (Hopefully he continues to improve) I hope we take 2 good WR's and D linemen with potential. Beane will likely make some moves. That is just his nature.
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8 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said:
To me, Allen’s closest comp is still Roman Gabriel. He was past his prime by the time I started watching football, but I’ve seen the old video. Rocket arm, huge guy, excellent foot speed, just the whole package. I hope Allen gets the championship that evaded Gabriel ….
That's great the summary of Roman Gabriel. I remember his name but was still a little too young when he was a star. But the early to mid 70's was when I started becoming a football fan in grade school. I lived in Allentown, Pennsylvania. And moved to Buffalo New Years 1976. The 76 season was my first as a true Bills fan. But remember watching several Bills games in probably 74 and 75 from Rich Stadium on TV. The start of a passion that has lasted a lifetime.
Love discussing players and teams from that era. Game just had a raw simple feel to it. The sport of Gladiators. Pete Rozelle made football something very special.
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1 hour ago, LEBills said:
We now have 7 drafts in the books where McDermott has been involved in the draft and 6 with Beane. In those 7 years, the Bills have drafted 7 players from three different coaching trees which may provide a hint to targets in the 2024 draft:
Billy Napier (Florida Gators)
O’Cyrus Torrence - 2023 second round
Justin Shorter - 2023 fifth round
Kaiir Elam - 2022 first round
Dave Aranda (LSU and Baylor)
Terrel Bernard - 2022 third round
Tre White - 2017 first round
Manny Diaz (Miami and Penn State)
Greg Rousseau - 2021 first round
Jaquan Johnson - 2019 sixth round
2024 Draftable players from these coaches include -
Billy Napier:
Ricky Pearsall, WR, projected Day 2 - Pearsall transferred in Napiers first year at Florida from ASU. Put up excellent Senior Bowl and Combine performances and is getting a lot of hype as a top 50 player in the draft.
Dave Aranda:
Gabe Hall, DT, projected Day 3 - Hall is a tall, long DT. Rushes high do to his height and may be best as a 3-4 end. 2 time entrant in Dane Bruglers Freaks list.
Manny Diaz:
Kamren kinchens, S, Day 2 - Kinchens is a productive, ball hawking safety that started as a true Freshman in 2021. He recently tested poorly at the combine.
James Williams, S/LB, Day 3 - A 6’4’’ safety who is better coming downhill and may need a change of position in the NFL
Leonard Taylor, DT, Day 3 - all hype and talent with very little production
(All three Hurricanes were recruited to Miami for Diaz’s final year in 2021 and all played as Freshmen.)Chop Robinson, DE, Round 1 - Explosive pass rusher that is learning to translate traits into production
Adisa Isaac, DE, Round 2-3 - The more productive of the PSU edge defenders.
Kalen king, CB, Day 3 - once thought to be the next star college corner, his play has tapered off and measurables are only average. Move to safety possible.
Johnny Dixon, CB, Day 3 - small aggressive corner who likely will be a nickel cornerback in the NFL
Curtis Jacobs LB, Day 3- a leader at Penn State, a bigger linebacker more suited against the run
Any Buffalo Bills?
Highest chance (imo):
1.) Kamren Kinchens - I think Kinchens is the most likely to match need and draft range. Kinchens really disappointed at the combine but just prior to Kinchens testing Beane was quoted as saying ‘“I think instincts are really big at safety. If you’re telling me, ‘you can have an athletic guy that’s a 4.3 (in the forty yard dash), 4.4 safety but he doesn’t have instincts,’ I’ll take the 4.6 guy with instincts, ball skills, and a little less range.”’ Kinchens has 11 interceptions in his past 2 collegiate years. We also just hired Jahmile Addae as our CB coach after he was Kinchens DB coach for the past two years.
2.) Adissa Isaac - Isaac fits the body type the Bills tend to like with long arms. He was a team captain this year and led the team in sacks in 2023. Also reported to be a good character player who does a lot for the special needs community of which all of his siblings belong. Bills were reported to have met with Isaac at his Pro Day where he had an excellent performance according to reports. PSU is considered a local school for the Bills and so if they do bring him in it does not count against the top 30 visits.
3.) Ricky Pearsall - If the Bills do decide not to go WR at 28, Pearsall may be in play at 60. Though he did play in the slot about 60% of the time, McBeane may see a good WR4 candidate that can learn all the WR positions. In last years post draft conference, Beane joked about how he should get an office at UofF due to the amount of Florida players they picked up in the last two drafts.
Final Thoughts:
Though the Bills have drafted from these coaching trees pretty consistently, it does not happen every year (2018, 2020) so it may not happen this year. Also missing that third round pick may make it difficult for the Bills to have a chance at some of the prospects listed as many could be gone between pick 60 and 128. And the Bills have predominantly selected from these coaching trees in the first three rounds (5 of 7 pick).
I do think it goes to show the Bills willingness to take chances on guys that may not exactly fit their past schemes (Elam, Torrence), or didn’t test too well (Rousseau, Johnson, Benford, Tre) when these players are tied to coaching staffs they trust.
Billy Napier is in over his head as an SEC coach. The Gators have been lousy under him. He was a bad hire. Dan Mullen wasn’t fantastic. But he was a lot better then Napier.
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4 hours ago, Ralonzo said:
Curious to see which way Beane takes it: 1) overspend for one of the Big 4 who are highly likely to play X and be WR1, 2) think in terms of drafting a complementary pair for the Diggs and Davis roles. Guys like Mitchell and Leggette are wild cards who could be that WR1 but you're rolling the dice. Cap considerations dectate preservation of draft capital - filling roster holes with entry-level contracts who can contribute to a team with a top-3 QB in the league, i.e. the KC model. It's not enough to build a team just to beat the Chiefs anymore. Of course in a wonderful wonderful world Thomas slips to the 20s and the Bills make the move at a reasonable cost but I think they just can't sell the farm with their cap situation.
So of the likely receivers of that tier, you're looking for the guy who can do Diggs things first - sharp routes, separation, and/or insane speed. Explosive guys who threaten at three-levels. Franklin, McConkey, Worthy, Tez Walker, Pearsall (his play metrics concern me tho... Franklin's are excellent). If you're not in love with one of them, someone should be in reach from 60 for a small move-up - or certainly in the mid-30's after a small move down from 28. From there your R4 and after guys who can be the X are Rice, Baker, Polk, McCaffrey even Wilson or Coleman if they drop to the R3/R4 range. There's probably PFA guys out of this group who'd have a chance out of this class.
Being a degenerate mock drafter I've come around to the trade-down approach more often that not and found value to fill roster holes where if half of them hit, the Bills window stays open even this year. Difference makers come out of every round and every draft; even if Beane isn't hitting home runs he's been among the tops hitting singles and doubles, guys who can play in the league and help a team. That's what the Bills need out of their drafts now.
Excellent post Ralonzo. If we can trade back and draft two solid receivers, I am all in. Will Legette from S Carolina be there in the 2nd round? And do you like Roman Wilson? I don’t follow all the individuals so much in college. More the teams because I love gambling on college ball, and watching the games. Except for my Maize and Blue. I know the players pretty well. Wilson is a gamer. Tough quick smart has real strong hands. Not a big guy though.
And let’s not forget we have Josh Allen. And he can make some of these guys look real good. Davis and Diggs were certainly nothing special last year. And we were a missed FG and a whole bunch of injuries on the defense from playing in the SB anyways. And that’s pretty much because of #17.
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17 hours ago, hondo in seattle said:
These guys are all either fast-but-small or big-but-slow. Not encouraging.
Then again, Steve Largent was neither big nor fast and still did okay in the NFL.
What a reference. Steve Largent was amazing Hondo. As solid of a technician at receiver as I can remember. Wow other than Jerry Rice, who was really better for that long a period? Maybe Larry Fitzgerald?
Isabella is really small, and didn’t seem to do much when he returned kicks. Look at Harty last year. He made one play(albeit a big play). It’s not a small man’s game. You need speed. But you need some size otherwise you get swallowed up. Very few Darron Sproles in the NFL.I think Shorter may have some juice. He has size. But can he accelerate is the question. Hopefully he is not James Hardy.
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8 hours ago, NoSaint said:
but a pairing of Sutton plus a second tier rookie could be a viable bridge across the next 2-3 years with a 4 deep groupdepending entirely on Suttons price
Sutton has been ok. I have seen him drop several balls. Why does everyone always blame the QB? Denver’s roster in general has been meh. Their defense has been better than their offense.
We have our veterans in Samuel and Shakir.
what is Sutton’s contract value anyways?
What’s wrong w a roster of young WR’s? We have a great veteran QB to show them the way. Look at GB at the end of last season. And they had Jordan Love.
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22 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:
Does it though? As I have shown before, teams keep investing tons in WR's and haven't seen the payoff. Look at arguably the best WR in the game in Hill...Miami can't even when their division with him and a 4 game lead late in the season with Waddle, Archane, and Mostert too. Adams didn't do anything for Raiders. Diggs didn't help the Bills do anything other than lose 3 straight years in the 2nd round. Minnesota had both Diggs and Theilen and didn't get over the hump. Dallas had both Cooper and Lamb and won less than we did. Niners didn't get it done with both Aiyuk and Deebo, plus they had Kittle and CMC too.
People always say this about WR, but we are not seeing this translate on the field like people assume it does.
Exactly Alpha. Good words spoken. Devonta Smith is a good but certainly not dominant force every week in the NFL. Look at how the Eagles season ended up. They completely went in the tank and there was real talk about Siriani being canned. Football is a team game. Trading for some overhyped self proclaimed great WR who wants a ton of money is not how to build a team. We should draft 2 maybe 3 WR's that can all run. Let Josh show them how its done. Look at the Packers receiving group last year. All a bunch of young guys that can run. Lets replicate that with our stud QB and excellent TE and RB, and we will be dynamite on offense. Davis was a plodder and Diggs is pretty much washed. Time to go young and cheap at the position. Our salary cap has been a mess. We need to draft some good players that can contribute right away. Having the oldest safety duo in the league is over. Time to change it up. We don't need to be paying a WR $25+ million per unless it is Justin Jefferson. NOONE else is worth that much period.
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13 hours ago, BarleyNY said:
What makes you think that?
I think he has some ability. Once he got comfortable in the playoff game against the Steelers, he made some plays. He had a nice pick.
Hopefully Rasul can take him under his wing, and teach him the nuances of being a CB in the NFL.
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22 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said:
Loved the guy man was the reason I started watching the Bills and I was a Hokies fan from way back so I followed him in college and you where darn good yourself.
Bryce Paup was pretty sweet, especially in 1995 when he won the Defensive Player of the year award. Him and Bruce coming off the edge were quite the force.
I have been to Blacksburg twice to see games several years back. Quite an experience when the team comes onto the field to Enter Sandman, and the crowd is going nuts. They used to have a real strong team. I saw them when Wyatt Teller was playing there. He was dam good and the leader of their O line.
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On 4/9/2024 at 12:23 AM, 78thealltimegreat said:
I agree Paup the only thing is I wish they had a guy behind him so if they did this with Diggs it doesn’t look now like they are totally desperate for a wr at the draft and have teams jumping them
Good point 78. We will have to see what happens come draft night. (I love your user name. Never really thought about it. Until I just read your response. Very sweet. Bruce was a special player. And a real good guy also.)
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On 4/8/2024 at 6:25 PM, BullBuchanan said:
Are you guys playing a game where you aren't allowed to mention TJ Watt or is he just so far ahead that when you say "the best", you really mean guys fighting for #2?TJ Watt is a dam good edge rusher also. Much respect for his game. I like Highsmith on the other side as well. Not one of the top 5 in the league. But a very good player.
Speaking of good defensive players, I was on my phone sitting by a fountain in downtown Fort Lauderdale early last Friday evening and Aaron Donald just comes strolling by. The dude was not overly tall. I am 6'1 and he was no taller then me. His arms are a little bigger though. LOL
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When Michigan has a good college basketball team I follow the tournament. Otherwise, I barely pay any attention to it. Its not a bad sport. But can only focus on so much. I am all in on the Bills and the NFL every week. And I love College Football just as much. My other sport is Nascar. I can record the race on Sunday, and watch it during the week late at night after work.
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23 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said:
If you want something to back you up on this last week on One Bills Live Greg Cosell who to me is the best of the best analysts absolutely crushed Diggs in his evaluation of him and saying the Bills have been playing without a number 1 receiver for a long time.
Cosell is a smart guy.
But most fans who watch the team week in and week out could easily see that Diggs wasn’t making many big plays any longer in the second half of the season. And on top of that his body language looked very apathetic about the entire thing. Some guys just fall off pretty hard at a certain point.
Beane is no dummy. He gets paid a lot of money to be one of 32 NFL GM’s. And he is one of the best of that small group. He watched all the games. He watched the film after the season. I am sure he talked with McDermott and Brady and whomever else he needed to talk to about Diggs. And he came to the conclusion it was time to get rid of him. His play wasn’t worth the aggravation or the money. And to get a 2nd round pick for him before he looks like he doesn’t belong on an NFL field any longer was brilliant.
I liked Diggs a lot. But he certainly isn’t great anymore. Or very good for that matter. Whether he is even good any longer should be the question that Houston and their fans should be asking.
I am excited about the Bills and their reset of the roster. The roster was getting stale w veterans who were no longer in their prime-Diggs included. Beane will have us a strong solid roster come August once again.
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14 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said:
Here’s the problem Parsons is legit the best defensive player in the league just approaching his prime there’s a pretty good chance the other guys go who said this before him as Jerry will find out.
I will take a healthy Matt Milano over him...And certainly a healthy Nick Bosa. And Chris Jones...remember him. I am sure there are several others too. If he is coming at Josh Allen one on one, he doesn't get a hand on Josh.
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Seems like the Bills are building a WRer room full of large hardnose WRer's that can block.
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And what was Diggs? A big pain in the ass in the locker room. It was tolerated until he became ass on the field too in the second half of this season. Now he is someone else's problem. Claypool has some ability. Its a good low cost signing. Maybe he will get it together finally, playing with a QB like Josh Allen.