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If we’re talking about day 3 RBs, I have to mention Bucky Irving (U of Oregon), even though he’s probably not a fit for the Bills. Undersized, but extremely shifty and quick; always makes the first tackler miss. Definitely not a pile-mover, but very productive at Oregon (almost 1700 yards from scrimmage in 2023) and maybe the best pass-catching back in the draft. Reminds me of a slightly faster Devin Singletary…
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On 4/16/2024 at 10:49 AM, YattaOkasan said:
Why limit the convo to day 3? Considering we have a huge need at RB (only 2 on the team right now) we will be drafting one. I dont think the value is there in the first two rounds but would definitely be happy to have a reliable short yardage and pass pro RB in the 4th.
Do you think all our other needs are greater than RB that we shouldnt consider RB in the 4th?
I hate to break the news to you, but the fourth round takes place on day 3 of the NFL draft.
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2 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:
Chris Simms is the only I saw. NBC just wants attention
He’s not the only one. I’ve seen at least two others rank Thomas ahead of Adunze and one guy rank him ahead of MHJ.
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19 minutes ago, SoTier said:
I would be good with giving up that for Thomas. I think that most analysts think Thomas will go in the teens. I'm not into the draft more than to have a very superficial knowledge of the prospects the Bills could be targeting in the first round, so I defer others on the rest of the Bills picks.
Quite a few draft analysts have Thomas ranked ahead of one or more of the "Big 3". It's not inconceivable that he could be drafted in the top 10...
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23 minutes ago, BeastMaster said:
Worthy has explosiveness that nobody else has in this draft, and he will be gone early second at best.
In a perfect world, we trade back and get Worthy and Coleman or Legette, but I'm fine taking him at 28.
If you want Thomas II as your guy, you are giving Josh Allen little to no help for next season because he's not ready to play against NFL defenses, and he may never be.
So a guy who absolutely abused SEC defensive backs this year “is not ready to play against NFL defenses”?? Yeah, ok.
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1 minute ago, warrior9 said:
Just for 1 team.
Good point
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33 minutes ago, billsfan_34 said:
Pressure on the QB always makes the defensive backfield better
Except in the playoffs, where offensive holding is legal…
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21 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:
Dolphins GM says he doesn’t have 21 1st round grades.
LOL
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1 minute ago, MiracleAtRich1393 said:
Can I interest them in Minnesota's 2nd rounder next year?
That’s about what they’ll get
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3 hours ago, TheBeaneBandit said:
Nobody is giving San Fran anything close to that with a loaded WR class starting them right in the face. They either gotta pay him or take a deal somewhere on middle ground.
Correct. Everyone knows that the Niners can't/won't keep Aiyuk and they know he wants to get paid. They will get no more than a second round pick for him, even though he is a top 10 receiver in the league...
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12 hours ago, Einstein's Dog said:
IMO, the D Smith contract does not kill hopes of trading for a star WR. Beane will/should seek a deal. Aiyuk may now be out of range but he was never a great deal IMO - Aiyuk was going to cost a bounty in draft capital and be a big cap cost. WRs near the end of their deals looking for big money while the teams they are with are looking for draft capital are not attractive IMO -so just say no to the J Jeff/B Aiyuk and B Aiyuk.
To improve year over year what Beane/McD need is someone better than Diggs last year. So a Dhop/DK Metcalf/C Godwin/D Adams/maybe C Sutton are all in play. These are all WR's that might be had by trading a reasonable draft pick and picking up a veteran with a reasonable salary.
I'm hoping the FO replaces Diggs with one of these type of vet options. I'm hoping they replace G Davis with the draft, no need to move up- maybe even move down and get a McConkey/Coleman/Franklin/Legette.
I think Aiyuk can be had for a second round pick…I don’t think the Niners can keep him and they’re going to realize sooner or later that it’s better to get something for him now than nothing later.
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3 minutes ago, DJB said:
True but drafting a rookie QB likely buys that management group another year or two. We all know Danny Dimes isn’t the answer so sticking with him is a death sentenceIt’s a tough one. Jones isn’t great, but he’s not terrible either and you could argue that he’s the least of their problems. The roster needs help badly and they need the most help at WR, which is where this draft is strongest and deepest. The worst thing they could do is trade up for a qb who may or may not be better than Jones. I think they stay put or trade back to get more premium picks.
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It may be a crapshoot from the perspective of selecting players who succeed in the NFL, but teams can help themselves by using those first and second round “lottery tickets” on high dollar, high impact positions like QB, edge, and WR instead of RB, C and safety. I think that’s what separates the good teams from the bad ones.
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8 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:
Don’t they say this every year?
Yes, they do. It's BS.
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6 minutes ago, ndirish1978 said:
What would we give then THIS YEAR that would prompt them to make that trade? Our 1st and 2nd followed by next year's 1st and 2nd? So we pick one guy and then don't pick again til the 4th rd in this draft?
I think they would consider moving back to 28 in exchange for 60, plus next year's first, or maybe both of our second round picks next year. I don't see any way we could move up into the top half of the first round without giving up 60 this year. Teams don't want to drop back that far without some immediate return...
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1 minute ago, FireChans said:
None of it matters until they figure out the QB. We know this.
Well, they've certainly put themselves in a very good position to get a QB...now they just have to pick the right one...
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36 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:
Do you ever actually look at things before you make arguments? He has had 100 catches or more 5 of the last 7 seasons, and over 1000 yards in all but one of those including last year and the only season he didn't was because he missed some time. How do you figure he is barely a WR 2 now?
Because he's old and no longer very good. He was the Chargers' WR 1 last year and they suffered because of it. They had a dink and dunk offense that scared absolutely no one and the fact that Keneen Allen was their best receiver was a big part of that. The fact that the Chargers dealt him for a fourth round pick should tell you something...
45 minutes ago, FireChans said:Keeping their lame duck HC to get fired in the middle of Caleb’s rookie deal is not smart lol
I agree, but they've made some good moves recently, like picking up Carolina's first round pick and the trade for Montez Sweat...
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1 minute ago, FireChans said:
They would if they were smart. I’m not sure they are smart.
They seem to be getting smarter...
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10 minutes ago, FireChans said:
Meh he was very good but he was still much less productive than 2021. And he had that lingering hammy last year.
I like Kupp a lot. I don’t have him top 10 heading into 2024. Feel like that’s fair evaluation of a 31 year old WR who hasn’t eclipsed 1k in 2 seasons, has been oft injured and best days are probably behind him.
This is obvious. Keenan Allen was traded for a 4th. Diggs was traded for a 2nd.
Will Higgins/Aiyuk be traded for that price, even despite them about to need a contract as well? Of course not.
Keenan Allen is barely a WR 2 right now. I guarantee the Bears draft a receiver on day 1 or day 2 who will supplant him this year or next.
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6 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:
Ok. You need to stop caring about age right now. If you wanted to give me Keenan Allen at Aiyuk's age. I'm taking Allen all day. And Adams had Garoppolo and Aiden O'Connell throwing to him last year and you're gonna say he is in decline? Lol. Give me Mike Evans right now at Aiyuk's age and I am taking Evans. I actually forgot about DJ Moore and maybe Garrett Wilson. Kupp had a catastrophic knee injury 2 years ago and just bounced back last year and got more into form as the year went on. Healthy, I'm taking Kupp. They are just better than Aiyuk, sorry
Why wouldn't I care about age? The issue is "which receiver would you rather have right now" because that's the decision any team wanting to sign Aiyuk has to ask, not "Who has had the more impressive career accomplishments?". No GM would take K Allen, Evans, Diggs, Adams or Kupp over Aiyuk right now and that's probably also true regarding Nakua, Olave and Wilson, even though they are really good young players. Tee Higgins is a pretty good comp, but Aiyuk is more explosive and just had a much better year than Higgins, who has been somewhat injury-prone. Aiyuk is about to sign a top four or five WR contract, that's for sure.
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1 minute ago, Buffalo03 said:
Jefferson, Chase, Lamb, Hill, AJ Brown, St. Brown, Kupp, Davante Adams, Mike Evans, Chris Olave, Nakua, Keenan Allen
I would put Aiyuk more on the Jaylen Waddle, Terry McLaurin, Amari Cooper, Michael Pittman, DK Metcalf level. But he is top 15
Give me a break...Nakua's played one year in the league and Kupp has had two down years in row. Keenan Allen wouldn't even sniff the top 20 at this point in his career and Diggs, Evans, and Adams are all over 30 and noticeably in decline, although all can still play...Olave is a good player, but there's absolutely no reason to think he's better than Aiyuk at this point in his career.
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2 minutes ago, Low Positive said:
I think Garret Wilson needs to be on that list too.
Wilson's definitely got potential, but he hasn't accomplished nearly as much as Aiyuk to this point in his career.
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Just now, FireChans said:
Higgins is probably right below Aiyuk to me. They have very different skill sets. Aiyuk is much better at YAC (part of that is the Shanny scheme) whereas Tee is more of a contested catch guy (and tbh is much more overrated a skill at the NFL level.) Tee to me is a 1B maximum. There’s a reason they chased Chase the next year.
Aiyuk had his other WR miss time and posted a BLISTERING 17.9 YPC and a passer rating of 124 when targeted. That’s elite.
I think as awesome as it would be to trade and pay him, it’s probably bad business. But I do think he’s going to be in the top 10 next year and will be paid like it.Guys who I would take in 2024 over Aiyuk in particular order.
JJ
Chase
Hill
Lamb
St Brown
AJ Brown
McLaurin
?Evans
?Adams
?Diggs
If just one of Diggs/Adams/Evans falls off a Cliff, he’s in my top 10.
I'll give you Lamb, but given their ages, no one would prefer Evans, Adams or Diggs to Aiyuk right now... I'd rather have Aiyuk than St Brown or McLaurin; he's much more explosive than those guys. Aiyuk has gotten better every year and just had a monster season at age 25...
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They’ll only drop back into the second if there are a few guys they’d be more or less equally happy with. If Beane really likes Leggette, he’ll take him at 28…he won’t risk losing him to KC or some other team. That’s not the way he operates.