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23 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:
Interesting article. The highlighted are my added notes to the ESPN story.........so here are the Bills and some Bills related one's with 3 McBeane related all-time picks mentioned right in round 1 and some actual McBeane greatest picks later in the draft:
7. Adrian Peterson, RB (2007)
The last non-quarterback to win the MVP award, Peterson led the league in rushing yardage three times in his career: 2008, 2012 and 2015. "All Day" was my pick over Champ Bailey, but watch out for Josh Allen. He and Peterson have the same number of MVP trophies and Super Bowl appearances ... for now. (Allen will own this spot soon and probably deserves it already IMO).
10. Patrick Mahomes, QB (2017)
Our first active player is Mahomes, who somehow easily clears Rod Woodson, Terrell Suggs and Marcus Allen despite being maybe halfway through his career. A two-time MVP, three-time Super Bowl champ and three-time Super Bowl MVP, Mahomes will likely build a compelling argument for being the greatest quarterback ever by the time his career is done. (McDermott dealt this pick to KC and ended up with Tre White and the 1st round pick they then traded up from to select Tremaine Edmunds)
22. Justin Jefferson, WR (2020)
Thank goodness there were no Hall of Famers to snub with the 22nd pick, making Jefferson an even easier selection for me. Never forget that Jefferson holds the record for most receiving yards through two seasons of a player's career (3,016) -- as well as through three seasons (4,825), four seasons (5,899) and five seasons (7,432). Guess which record he'll hold at the end of this year? (acquired pick as part of the exchange with McBeane for Stefon Diggs)
42. Rob Gronkowski, TE (2010)
Four Super Bowl rings. Four first-team All-Pro appearances. A uniquely dominant prime as a pass-catching tight end with elite blocking ability. (The Buddy Nix Bills selected the Troupacabra instead of the local product)
70. Fred Warner, LB (2018)
Easy pick here, as Warner will go down as the best linebacker of this decade and one of the best linebackers ever. (unfortunate that Warner ended up being so much better than Edmunds and the Bills traded a second rounder to move UP to get Edmunds)
73. Jason Taylor, DE (1997)
Another Hall of Famer was also selected at pick No. 73 in Bears DT Steve McMichael, but it's tough to hold a candle to Taylor. A winner of Defensive Player of the Year (2006) and Walter Payton Man of the Year (2007), Taylor had both a dominant prime and a long stretch of viable play. (This one hurt me to my core during that 1997 draft......the Bills picked Marcellus Wiley over him. Wiley was a nice player but Taylor was the HR pass rushing OLB they desperately needed for that defense. It was a frustrating stretch in the 1990's where John Butler did not take advantage of the abundance of quality 2nd and 3rd round pass rushers available to 3-4 teams. This one hurt double because Taylor became a Bills killer.)
75. Russell Wilson, QB (2012)
Tough break for OT Terron Armstead, who is one of the best third-round picks ever but isn't better than this Super Bowl-winning, Walter Payton Man of the Year-winning quarterback. (Russ is kind of a joke now but he was one of the best in the league for a long time. Buddy Nix famously traded up to take the awful TJ Graham at 69 thinking he could get Wilson in the 4th round. What an a$$clown of a strategist he was. https://billswire.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/bills/2020/07/22/buffalo-bills-david-lee-claims-wanted-draft-russell-wilson-dak-prescott/79402255007/)
86. Andre Reed, WR (1985)
Another odd density of Hall of Famers, as pick No. 86 carries Reed, Rams OT Jackie Slater and Saints kicker Morten Andersen. Reed is an easy selection for his seven straight Pro Bowls and 16-year NFL career, 15 of which were in Buffalo. Don't worry -- my kicker picks come later. (Finally the Bills have a winner. The best 86th overall ever. I gotta agree. Jackie Slater is tough to beat though he was also great).
111. Terrence McGee, CB (2003). (A win for team Donahoe. We are at the stage of the draft now where there are some not-great all-timers mixed in with HoF types).
134. Kyle Williams, DT (2006) (Levy/Modrak struck gold with the pick traded to Houston for Eric Moulds).
148. Khalil Shakir, WR (2022) ( Khalil may never live up to the @Alphadawg7 hype but what he's done is good enough to be the best 148 ever. McBeane's 1st official win but Allen will eventually be the best #7 overall.)
171. Gary Anderson, K (1982) (I guess this win for Buffalo would be Norm Pollam and the rest of the strong but largely forgotten group of scouts that Chuck Knox brought to Buffalo from his Rams days. Greatest kicker pick ever according to article and foreshadowed in the Andre Reed pick write up. This one sticks hard in the craw of one @BUFFALOBART who still holds Anderson in great disdain for intentionally failing his way off of the Bills roster)
185. Christian Benford, CB (2022) ( That's 2 all-timer day 3 draft picks for McBeane. Fingers crossed his brains aren't scrambled from those concussions and can have a long career.)
253. Roland Hooks, RB (1975) (The pickings were slim at 253 apparently. Certainly the most unlikely Bill to find on this list.)
255. Don Majkowski, QB (1987) (The Buffalo born Magic Man looked like the real deal there for a brief time.)
It’s amazing how many first round slots have generated only one or fewer hall of fame players after all these years (by my count, at least eight).
To my eye, the third round looks stronger than round two, but I didn’t do a close comparison.
One other Bills pick that should have made the list: Wyatt Teller (166) over Leroi Glover. Teller picked by Beane the same year as Josh Allen…
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20 hours ago, folz said:
Just noting some positions where the Bills had great players, and who the writer selected over them (Obviously, the Bills didn't draft every player on the list below---Bennett, Poyer, Hyde, etc.---just wanted to see why some very good Bills players didn't make the list). The writer also noted that he didn't want to overweigh QBs just based on the importance of the position.
[NOTE: None of the 64/65 AFL Champ team players were eligible for the list. The list begins at the 1967 (common era) draft.]
Bills on the list (played more than one season for the Bills---so not counting guys like Gore, Owens, Anderson): #86 Andre Reed, #134 Kyle Williams, #148 Khalil Shakir, #185 Christian Benford, #250 Ryan Fitzpatrick, #253 Roland Hooks.
A few great Bills that missed the list and who was selected over them (according to the writer of the article):
#1: Peyton Manning (over Bruce Smith and O.J. Simpson)
#2: Lawrence Taylor (and many others: Faulk, Peppers, C. Johnson, Von Miller, Barkley, Bosa---all over Cornelius Bennett).
#6: Walter Jones (then Tim Brown, then Julio Jones...and then James Lofton)
#14: Darrelle Revis over Jim Kelly (reason: Revis had more All-Pros and won one Super Bowl).
#24: Ed Reed (+Aaron Rodgers)---at least those two are over Eric Moulds.
#26: Ray Lewis over Joe DeLamielleure.
#32: Drew Brees (+Lamar Jackson)---at least those two over Fred Smerlas.
#39: Ed White (Chargers Guard) over Darryl Talley. (Reason: White had two more Pro Bowls than Talley)
#40: Michaels Strahan [over Thurman Thomas]. Picked Strahan because of the single-season sack record and one Super Bowl win.
#146: George Kittle over Stefon Diggs
#159: Miami Safety Jake Scott (over Micah Hyde)
#218: Tom Nalen, Denver center [over Jordan Poyer]
#226: Picked KC Guard Trey Smith (drafted 2021) over Steve Tasker [No explanation for guys this low on the list.] Strange that a 4-year lineman was higher than any players picked here who already finished a full career (looks like the writer heavily weighted SB wins and Smith has two already being drafted by K.C). And granted its a low pick, so may not be a lot of choices...but at least Tasker was there as another option.
You forgot Larry Centers (115) who had two very good seasons for the Bills during the darkest years of the drought.
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It depends who the substitute QB is. If Allen goes down and Mitch Trubisky plays the whole season, it’s a different answer than plugging in a lower level NFL starter, like say Geno Smith or Brock Purdy. With those guys, 11 wins is possible. The Bills’ o-line is top 5, maybe top 2 or 3, in the NFL, and that raises the floor considerably…
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7 hours ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:
who cares.
As far as off season thread topics go, this one is in the top 10%…
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4 hours ago, boyst said:
I supremely believe Kelce is overrated. A system TE benefiting from Willford Brimley and Brittany Mahomes husband.
I think his positives are his ability to sit down in open space and find green spaces. He also has good hands.
I don't think he is efficient for running routes or being much more than a check down guy. He has been completely taken out of games far too often.
They played the position and were at least able to chop block and chip.
Kelce gets butthurt if he has to touch anyone.
That’s just not true
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1 hour ago, boyst said:
no. they did . they blocked. pretty good for a tight end too.
LOL, they were basketball players
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2 hours ago, boyst said:
I wasn't t disagreeing with you.
There are maybe 3 elite tight ends in the league that are difference makers. Thats the problem. The very good are not as good as they get credit for because the competition and equivalency is so watered down
George kitttle, for example, is an elite TE but probably not even top 10 in the last 30 years. Same with Kelce. I don't know if one right end playing right now beats: Antonio Gates, Tony Gonzalez, Gronk, Shannon Sharpe, Vernon Davis and Greg Olsen are just off the top of my head.
These guys blocked, ran routes, and didn't live in a super big passing league.
Wait, you’re not suggesting that Antonio Gates or Tony Gonzalez (or Vernon Davis, for that matter) ever blocked anyone, are you?
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6 hours ago, stuvian said:
I attribute some of his failure to meet expectations to mediocre QB play
Know what’s really funny about Kyle Pitts? The players who the Falcons could have taken instead of him…to name a few, Jamar Chase, Penei Sewell, Pat Surtain, Micah Parsons…a truly abysmal draft pick, and a perfect example of why the Falcons are an utterly irrelevant NFL franchise.
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5 hours ago, Augie said:
The hype was super high, and he looked like a freak to me coming out. I live right here in Atlanta, so since he doesn’t play for UGA I don’t hear much about him.
I’m like a bird watcher when I have a rare Falcons gear sighting.
Can confirm. A Falcons’ regular season game gets about 50% as much attention there as the Univ. of Georgia spring scrimmage (no lie).
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39 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:
Was that 5th round receiver also not the unquestioned #1 receiver of a team helmed by the MVP who went to the AFC championship and awarded a lucrative new deal? College is college, and the pros are the pros. There's no objective data to suggest MHJ didn't have an exceptional rookie year. You're complaining because it wasn't as exceptional as somebody else. Welcome to NFL football.
By my count, at least 4 rookie receivers clearly had better rookie seasons than the greatest WR prospect of modern times…hell, if he hadn’t gotten hurt, Keon Coleman would have been breathing down his neck. 🤣🤣🤣
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3 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:
This seems like a talking point. In what way is it a rugby play? And if it is….isnt a simple pitch play one also? OJ made a career out of that one.
In rugby, when the ball is near the goal line, the team in possession often forms a scrum and simply tries to push the ball over the line by shoving the other team backwards, just like the tush push. As you may recall, until fairly recently, it was a penalty for another offensive player to "aid the runner" by pushing him forward. No idea why or when that ancient rule was changed. And no, a simple pitch play isn't really a rugby play (perhaps more of a Rugby League play), although it certainly happens in Rugby Union, too.
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1 hour ago, BullBuchanan said:
Imagine hating on that line when you're a Bills fan
See above.
Harrison was the Card’s unquestioned WR1, the 4th overall pick in the draft, and the alleged best WR prospect of the past decade…amazing that his numbers were roughly equal to the Bills’ 5th round slot receiver…
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21 hours ago, JohnNord said:
What was his issue last season? I didn’t get the impression is was strength relatedCorrect. He’s not very quick or explosive…massively overrated—and overdrafted—because of his college helmet and his father…
16 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:at least he's smart enough to not get caught...
So far…
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It’s a rugby play that has no place in football. Get rid of it.
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11 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:
Next up: “Dak Prescott is the most amazing QB and leader I’ve ever played with…”
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54 minutes ago, Billsfed1 said:
Been listening to a few pods on the schedule and one of the recurring points I’ve heard is “wish the bye week was a little bit later”.
The Eagles had their bye week last year in week 5 and won the Super Bowl. They also (like the Bills) had to play 3 games prior to the Super Bowl and they even won under those conditions.
I’m not entirely convinced it matters. The Lions had a bye by winning the NFC last year and they were out in the Divisional round so I think while it may be nice to have it mid-season or perhaps a touch later…not completely necessary in my book.
What do you think?
Makes very little difference. Some teams that get late byes are already all but eliminated, so the bye does them no good at all.
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5 minutes ago, Einstein said:
Wow the Jets are gonna be 1-3 or 0-4.
No reason they can’t beat the Steelers and Dolphins. That’s actually a pretty easy opening stretch.
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12 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:
Got one:
Bills at Steelers 11/30 4:25 PM
I expect the wheels will have come off the Steelers by then…
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6 minutes ago, Gregg said:
If this is true, then the Giants could be looking at an 0-4 start. Again, IF TRUE.
Update: Giants face draining first month
Art Stapleton of NorthJersey.com and USA TODAY reports that the Giants will face an overwhelming first month of the season with the following games:
Week 1 at Washington Commanders
Week 2 at Dallas Cowboys
Week 3 vs. Kansas City Chiefs (primetime)
Week 4 vs. Los Angeles Chargers
The Giants are in a very tough division…their schedule was never going to be easy.
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1 hour ago, ProcessTruster said:
An example of a team that is screwing it up is Cleveland; they are trying to win games. The Saints are playing it beautifully now that Carr is retiring. Tank and grab Archie Manning's grandson... what a story that will be.
How can you say Cleveland is screwing up? They finished with the second worst record in the league, then fleeced the Jags out of next years first round pick. They are well-positioned to grab a QB in next year’s draft. And it’s not at all clear to me that they are trying to win games in 2025.
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2 hours ago, Virgil said:
To start, I am not banging the table saying either are great quarterbacks, but they are clearly capable of starting in the NFL. They may not be great, by any means, but they are way better than who the Saints and Steelers plan on putting on the field.
Granted, the Giants just signed Winston, but then signed Russel (named the starter) and drafted Dart. The Saints took a guy in the second round, but he is far from a sure bet of being NFL ready, let alone week 1 ready.
Am I missing something here. How are the Saints and Steelers not all over these trades? I can’t imagine the asking price is big. If in a fan of either team, dreading this upcoming season as is. If in a HC of either team, am I not also fighting for me job? Granted Tomlin appears to be untouchable at times, but for how long?
Just thoughts.
Winston delivers street free agent-level quarterbacking at this point in his career. Cousins is older and banged up and should not be starting anywhere. Ousins is a better option than Winston, though.
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3 hours ago, Billsfed1 said:
I don’t think his size matters really. If he’s staying on the lighter side perhaps that means he’s emphasizing the receiving portion of his game.
The point is, he’s often hurt. Being undersized is likely one reason for that. He’s not built like an NFL TE.
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1 hour ago, sven233 said:
There are rumors going around that it will be Bills vs Bengals on Sunday Night Week 1. THey said it on the Buffalo Plus podcast yesterday and I have seen it a couple other places too.
If true, man......probably no tougher matchup for our overhauled defense to have to work the kinks out against right out of the gate.
Not sure if this is what Allen will be part of announcing or if it will be something else, but it is something that's out there.
It would be great. Bengals always start slow…plus they have a new coordinator, crappy o-line, lotta new players on defense. Best time to play them.
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The best NFL draft pick ever at every slot from No. 1 to 262
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Fair enough…Glover’s been gone for a while and my memory of him is faded…