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13 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:
Really? I wouldn't say that. If you wanna get into top 15 or top 20, I will listen
Me thinks so too
I can only name three or four WRs in the league who are definitely better than Aiyuk...he's absolutely top 10...Go ahead and try to name 14 WRs who are better....
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48 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:
Nobody knows how they will turn out. People can know how talented a pool of prospects it is compared to other years.
No, they can’t. Not in advance. Perhaps at certain position groups they have an idea, but not the class as a whole, especially when you’re talking about a bunch of day 3 guys.
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This is utter nonsense. Draftniks say this kind of crap every year…they absolutely love to s**t on every draft class. It’s just like the people who have “only fifteen players with first-round grades” year after year, which just means their “scale” is broken…
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10 hours ago, DCOrange said:
I think I'm high on Coleman relative to most here. Similar to @HappyDays, I'm not sure he's really a 1st round grade to me. Pre-Combine, I had a late 1st round grade on him and Franklin as my #4 and #5 WR in the class. If they had done what they had to do at the Combine, I probably would have felt pretty good about potentially taking them at #28, but either way, they were always more fringe 1st round types. To me, it's the big 3 and Brian Thomas as clear 1st rounders and then nobody after that is clear.
I readily admit Coleman has a lot of red flags; probably more red flags than any other WRs that are being considered in the first two days of the draft. The main things I like/the reasons I'm willing to look past a lot of the red flags:
- Athleticism - Altogether, Coleman is a good, borderline great athlete for the position. The 4.6 forty really hurts, but as has been said ad nauseum, while he's certainly not a burner, he does seem to play faster than the 4.6 time would suggest.
- Age/Breakout Age - Coleman is the 2nd youngest WR in the class and tied for the 5th youngest breakout age in the class. While he's obviously fairly raw, he's at the age where being relatively raw is okay, and he at least has the physical tools you want (minus the mediocre speed) and has been fairly productive despite being relatively raw.
- Motor - He's a high-effort player on the field. Tenacious run blocker to the point that Michigan State would motion him across the formation to be the lead blocker on run plays as if he was a blocking tight end. It sounds like he's a very hard worker behind the scenes/a player that keeps his teammates energized.
- Short-Term Upside - Despite being a stacked WR class, I think a lot of these highly touted WRs are guys where you're not entirely sure if they have something they can immediately hang their hat on to bring immediate value. A lot of well-rounded types that could be really good players, but not a ton of guys that feel like they can do something that's relatively unguardable the second they enter the league. Coleman has that IMO with his ability to box out DBs for back-shoulder throws, make contested catches, and elevate to get to passes that nobody else can.
- Long-Term Upside - As I've kinda laid out already, he has the physical tools, he has youth on his side, and he's been fairly productive despite being pretty raw skill-wise. A lot of areas where he can further develop his skills to take his game to another level and seemingly has the motor you look for to max out that potential.
I love Matt Harmon as a WR analyst and he makes a pretty strong case for the transition to big slot WR. He very well may be right, and if he is, Coleman doesn't make a lot of sense for Buffalo. I tend to think of Coleman similarly to how I thought about Josh Allen when he was coming out of Wyoming. I totally acknowledge all the metrics and stuff that suggest he will be a bust and should not warrant any serious consideration. I just tend to think he has the mental makeup and physical tools to be the outlier. It's admittedly a pretty high-risk play.
I think I'd probably lean towards taking a different position at #28 or trading down rather than reaching on Coleman or Franklin, but those two remain at the top of my list after the big 3 and Thomas as far as WRs go.
Coleman’s 40 time is about the same as Puka Nakua’s…it’s not a disqualifier…and I think Nakua is pretty good comp…both guys are bigger receivers who seem to go all-out all the time and love to catch the ball in traffic.
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1 hour ago, njbuff said:
I don't see him being a Bill.
He wants too much money and the Bills will have to give up too much draft capital.
It's a shame because I think he would be the perfect WR for Josh to be his number one.
The Bills just got out of paying Diggs big money in ‘25 and ‘26…they can afford Aiyuk, if they can somehow make room for his ‘24 salary.
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27 minutes ago, Niagara Dude said:
Why would you eat away all your cap for a receiver that was not even a #1. Trade up and draft a stud and stop paying big money
Aiyuk is absolutely a No. 1 WR. He’s a top ten WR in the league.
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11 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:
not by a jury, no.
But the above examples would be presented in court during trial or even years later. Charges are dropped or sentences vacated after being proven in court to be actually innocent.
Typically, such evidence would be presented to an appellate court…
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31 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:
not true. evidence (video, DNA for example) can establish actual innocence...
That is true, as I noted in a subsequent post, but a jury cannot make such a finding.
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13 hours ago, Mike in Horseheads said:
I agree with others that said we dumped Diggs to get out of cap hell, so why would the Bills just do this again 🤷♂️
That’s not why Diggs was traded
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2 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:
A good warning to those who want the Bills to trade back from 28. There's a very good chance the 2nd WR wave starts around our pick and finishes in the early 2nd. Moving back 10 or more picks may knock us out of the WR race.
I'm all for staying at 28 and getting our pick of that 2nd WR group. Many of which would be solid 1st round picks in other years.
Agreed…in order to recoup a third round pick, we’d have to drop back into the 40s, not just back to 33 or 35, like some are fantasizing…I know it’s hard to believe, but other NFL teams don’t necessarily want to help the Bills…
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30 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:
I’m betting that doesn’t happen. It would be a massive overpay by Carolina. A move from 33 to 28 would be worth less than their fourth round pick at 101.
Have we decided if it’s better or worse to have a first round pick (along with the 5th year option) vs an early second?
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4 minutes ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said:
From the internet, Brady is 6'4 and Josh is 6'5
That’s not what my eyes tell me…
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3 minutes ago, Cray51 said:
No, I meant if they trade up to 8 or 9 to move ahead of the Jets. Like the example I used of the Chiefs moving ahead of the Bills for McDuffie
As I said above, I could envision a trade with Chicago because the Bears have only four picks in this draft and would likely be tempted by pick 60...that's really the only deal I could see with the Bills getting into the top 10...the problem is that I think other teams will also be targeting the Bears for a trade up...
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4 minutes ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said:
Why is that ?
Is Josh shrinking?
I guess Brady's just really tall...
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10 minutes ago, BBFL said:
Chicago is the only top 10 team who I can see would as they will likely want more this year. Which means you’re giving up 60 to get there.
I agree. I think Chicago is the only real possibility. They do not have a second round pick, so pick 60 might tempt them (along with a first or second next year). The problem is, that regime is on the hot seat and if things don't go well this year, they might not have the opportunity to use next year's draft picks.
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57 minutes ago, Cray51 said:
I'd be SHOCKED if one of the top 3 receivers is there at 10 for the Jets and the Bills DONT trade up to snag one of them. Just like the Chiefs did with us an McDuffie, dont let rival teams take talent that fills a hole on your team.
Do you think the Jets will trade pick 10 to the Bills to let them draft Rome Odunze or Brian Thomas???🤣
1 hour ago, jahnyc said:Why do people want to trade Brown? I thought he improved last season and still seems to have potential to continue to improve. I get it that he is a free agent after next season, but don't we already have enough holes? I don't think Collins can be counted on to play full-time or to be an adequate replacement for Brown for a full season.
Absolutely no one wants to trade Spencer Brown…
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21 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said:
Few here even remember Simpson’s college career. I followed it intensely. Most -if not all USC games in his senior year were televised because of his on field exploits. As a forlorned Bills fan then, 1968 was a terrible year. We lost 5 QBs to serious injury, eventually turning to seldom used WR Ed Rutkowski to finish the season. Throughout that bitter campaign, all Bills fans kept an eye on O.J. as we may well earn 1st overall pick in ‘69. I vividly recall the fear and tenseness the final weeks of that season as Philly was equally inept on the field and it very close. Then Philly won a game very late and we ‘earned’ the 1st pick. WNY was beside itself with anticipation and when he 1st reported he was swarmed over at the airport. One of my favorite players at the time was Gary McDermott (no relation) who wore #32. So O.J. was issued #36 and there are many pics available of him wearing that number. But McDermott was cut at final cutdown and the number given to Simpson. Gil Perrault and Bob McAdoo were huge 1st rounders but they paled in comparison to the arrival of O.J.
And then the Bills’ coaching brain trust decided OJ was best used as a decoy in his first three years in the NFL…
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3 minutes ago, Warcodered said:
He does seem to really like Josh.
Brady a good inch or two taller than Josh…
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1 hour ago, Warriorspikes51 said:
Unless Odunze falls into the mid-teens, which is not totally impossible IMO, I don't see any way this can happen. Teams drafting in the top 9 are not going to want to move back to 28, even for a first round pick next year. People need to understand that the Bills' 2025 first round pick is a devalued asset...anyone acquiring it will have to assume it will be a late-first round pick and the 2025 draft is not expected to be as strong as this one, plus (obviously) the pick can't be used until next year, which devalues it further...
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5 minutes ago, amprov56 said:
Your reply says it all!
Four posts in and you've managed to say absolutely nothing...are you going to contribute to the thread or not?
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1 minute ago, amprov56 said:
Yes and alert, active, and involved in the adult world!
So what’s your point?
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24 minutes ago, NeverOutNick said:
With the 16th pick in the 2024 NFL Draft, the Seattle Seahawks select QB Michael Penix Jr, Washington.
Even though personally I would take Nix over Penix, Coach Macdonald’s familiarity with coaching against the former Indiana QB and his rocket arm won the day. Outside of durability, Penix is the best QB in this class with a clean pocket in front of him. The rest of this draft class for Seattle will be to help shore up that O line to help their new franchise QB. For this year, Geno and Howell are here to ease Penix’s transition but neither have the upside of Penix and if he can stay healthy I believe his ceiling is better than McCarthy and Daniels and he’s already easily a better passer than both.
@Doc Brown and the Jacksonville Jaguars are on the clock
I think this is going to be the Seahawks’ pick…
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Just now, amprov56 said:
Are you serious?
Are you?
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5 minutes ago, H2o said:
I'm not buying what you're selling on Coleman.
I’m not selling anything…
And we're on to.. Aiyuk?
in The Stadium Wall
Posted · Edited by mannc
The only ones I can name who are definitely better than Aiyuk are Jefferson, Chase, Hill...maybe AJ Brown...maybe I'm forgetting a few, but that's about it.
I'm all ears...who are the WRs in the NFL who are definitely better than Aiyuk?