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Well, l the bettors don't see it that way. History matter I guess, as the Bills are 4th overall at +850 behind only the + 800 Chiefs. Bills are favored to win the AFC title at +375. Patriots are +1800 and +600 respectively, although they are heavy favorites to win division at -250. Broncos are +1600 and +600 respectively. What this tells me is the public perception is that all the AFC upstarts are not really that good, and that when crunch time comes they likely will fold. But those are the odds, so take a stab at some of the new "good" teams in the AFC if your convictions are strong as betting against the Bills could be profitable. As Josh said right after the comeback over the Ravens: "next time have a little faith." Not much faith among many here, but what the heck, I understand after Miami. But when the Bills play their game, they will be a tough out.

At the game. It was a blast!! So good to rebound from that crap last week!!

At the stadium. Very windy by my standards, but otherwise nice. Festive!!

Very windy, not bad with wind at back but bad in face. Sun is out with broken clouds. Kind of a perfect day for the Bills against a Florida team.

Real windy, just got back from a run with my Lab. Skies seem to be clearing though, should be dry for the game.

Last game today for me at the Ralph today too!! Went in 1973. Go Bills!!!!

Just listened to it and it was excellent. Basically Brady is doing nothing much to scheme the receivers open for intermediate routes. If I followed correctly, Brady is relying on pure receiver skill to get open. Cosell pointed out you don't need all-world receivers to get guys open. Reminds me of the plain vanilla defense Wannstedt used to play. Reading between the lines, Brady is playing checkers instead of three dimensional chess that other teams do. Lord I hope he has an epiphany.

I think if they win the division they will not be one and done. But I'd rather win the division and lose than not make the playoffs or be a wild card. One step at a time.

Bowles just said both are out for Sunday, but trending OK.

I will.

You don't win a SB in November. They have done enough the last five years to make me give them the benefit of the doubt even after that debacle in Miami. They may disappoint me, but as a Bills fan for over 50 years disappointment is a dear friend. I'll let this play out, like I did after the awful wind game in 2021. And even if this is not their year, with Allen this team will always have a chance, if we can add the right pieces in the off season, either with this regime or another. The re-ascendancy of the Pats-- which was unexpected this year and makes it somewhat traumatic-- is just another team to beat like the Chiefs (although they have done nothing yet to make them anywhere near as dangerous). It's just competition, and at the end that's what makes it fun, notwithstanding the Patriot PTSD.

I don't think so. The Bills played a bad game. The average fan is not nearly as vested as you and others here who always want to fire everyone when anything goes wrong. Bills fans are durable. No booing unless the Bills really stink throughout the game like a week ago, then maybe.

Did not say that. Continue the hyperbole.

The look on Allen's face or All-22-- which to believe. Hmm.

Who said the sky was falling. They can right the ship, they did it after the bye. Just breaking down WTF happened.

OK.. When Josh is playing in-system, the passing game can be a solid B. When he does not, it is a D. No A grade because of limitations in the receiving corps, but when it is at below B, some of the fault lies with Josh. And it seems the further below a B it is, the more it is Josh not playing up to his standards, not because the receivers just suck. Agree?

That would be wrong. This team is nothing without Josh. The common thread is Josh is fine and everyone is covered because the receivers suck. That is not entirely true. Simple answers are often wrong. Varsity Blues?

His scheme CAN be sound but he makes some dumb decisions too. And the WR are not great, but the easy and wrong answer is that they are so bad the offense cannot have an effective passing game. It can if Allen plays within himself and the system. Not really depressing at all.

But that take is just wrong if you look at the All-22. Everyone wants to blame the receivers-- and that is now gospel that they suck-- but they are hardly all of the problem. Josh had plays with easy throws to open guys for first downs--looking right at them-- and did not make the throw. Inexplicable.

https://buffalonews.com/sports/professional/nfl/bills/article_21980ceb-bcfc-4e60-a920-42fc17996fcc.html?utm_medium=social&utm_source=email&utm_campaign=user-share Scathing analysis-- "While this game was difficult to watch, I hadn't anticipated the depth of trouble." I cannot do the analysis justice because there is so much, but I will highlight: Brady Game Plan-- Seemed to want to prove the Bills could throw the ball around the field instead of sticking to what worked against KC-- use Cook. But overall, there were lots of plays that could have been made, but Allen inexplicably did not execute. Allen-- "Allen's performance was below anything I've graded in his career." It was mind boggling. Terrible reads, passing over open receivers he was looking at, and simply not staying in-system. On the end zone pic, the play call was perfect against Cover 0, he had three good options but took none of the, and on option 4 he threw a terrible pass to Shavers. Josh's mind was clearly elsewhere on Sunday. O-Line-- Terrible lack of effort and execution. McGovern simply whiffed on blocks, and Dawkins looked like he could give a s$$t on some plays. No wonder Cook had some trouble running. Offensive miscues crush D late-- After Allen's fumble which basically ended the game. The D then collapsed. Not an excuse, simply a fact according to Kubiak. Kubiak's conclusion is better than anything I can paraphrase: "[All-22] reveals more examples of poor execution and effort from Bills offense. There was a lack of desire and ferocity, a lack of mental focus, and a lack of guardrails to keep Allen within the contours of his responsibility on each play." Read it and weep. Behind BN paywall.

Who cares? And besides. the odds of KC/Bills meeting again this year is passingly small as one or both will likely not make the playoffs and if they do they likely would not meet until very late. Giants fan-- ha.

How can you possibly understand any of that? That is just a bunch of stuff you made up in your head. You have no idea about what is going on behind closed doors.

I think referring to playoff matchups.

Could be. It reminds me of the scene from My Cousin Vinny where Judge Haller mocks Vinny by saying "it seems like you'd just like to skip the whole process and go straight to a directed dismissal." The Bills seem to just want to go straight to the Championship Game and skip the regular season games altogether-- except those that might be a barometer on their Championship mettle, e.g. the 4th quarter against Ravens and KC. If only it worked that way.

I doubt they did, but they sure looked like it. It was just awful, and totally unexpected.