Dr. Who
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1 hour ago, BigBuff423 said:
I think your personal disappointment is clouding your judgment....in no way, will Rudolph be available beyond the 1st and I don't even think he makes it into the 20s...he's a superb arm talent with a terrific resume...Bills should be high on him, along with Rose and Darnold...Allen is good, but if any QB slides, I'll call Allen the one who drifts into late 1st and 2nd round...
Rudolph does not have superb arm talent. It's okay. He also has several future pros in his wr corps and plays in a conference that doesn't play a lot of defense. I think he's very average. I targeted Rudolph early in the year as someone to watch and he just doesn't impress me. Fella that goes by Kirby Jackson posted an article outlining his strengths and weaknesses. I tried to search for it, but I'm not clever about that sort of thing. My order of preference is Rosen/Darnold, Mayfield, Jackson, Allen, Rudolph. If we pick him, I will of course hope he is the next Jim Kelly and that I am wrong about him.
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5 minutes ago, dneveu said:
A drafted QB is sooo much cheaper for 4 years. You can build the rest of your team through that, so I'm opposed to signing a FA QB unless the price isn't too high. I'd like to bring someone in to compete with the rookie. Someone like a Chase Daniel, or McCown if the price is right.
I say focus on the QB this year in what looks like a solid deep class. Use other picks this year to focus on the offensive and defensive lines. With KW likely done - and the mediocre play of our O-line, it's pretty clear we are going to need upgrades along those areas. Protecting your new asset should be a top priority. The young QBs who are succeeding right now have had hefty investments on the oline (Dallas, LAR, Philly, Oakland etc).
After that- getting after the QB is like the 2nd most important part of football, so keep going after pass rushers.
Ahh, I'm with the fella who thinks lb is more of an issue than folks are crediting. And please, OBD, look at Sony Michel in the middle rounds. He's your eventual replacement for Shady and a great #2 right out of the gate. But qb has to be the priority.
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7 minutes ago, Tatonka68 said:
The 15th & 20th pick plus the 5th round pick from Dareus trade and the 2018 pick from the Ragland trade for
MASON RUDOLPH!
Rudolph will be available late first, maybe even the second. You don't have to trade up to get him and I'd be disappointed if he was our pick.
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Just now, Jobot said:
Tennessee was definitely forward.
But they got it right last night based on this rule.
Yes, I think so, but it's hard to make a joke with qualifiers in it
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The rule is if you are Seattle or Tennessee a marginally forward pass is a lateral.
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1 hour ago, keepthefaith said:
Yes and you want to begin to develop winning culture.
Really? The turnover on this team is going to be large. Franchise qb is the fast-track key to winning culture. We need draft capital to make that happen.
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Just now, NewDayBills said:
People seem confused by my post, let me clear things up. Since when has the higher draft pick done anything for us? We've had high draft picks going on for 18 years, what do we have to show for? I'm rooting for 9-7, establish a winning culture. That's more important than 4-5 spots in the draft and besides, if McD and Beane are good evaluators, it shouldn't matter where we draft. The playoff teams seem to add talent while picking bottom in the draft.
The best way to establish a winning culture is to get a franchise qb. Past 18 years are immaterial in terms of grabbing a top qb prospect. Does this draft class have enough qb talent to justify an early pick? If so, you need to move up and get a real qb.
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19 minutes ago, NewDayBills said:
I'd rather we finish off strong. I think a 9-7 record boosts morale for next year, at least something for us to build on.
Someone who wins a Pyrrhic victory has been victorious in some way, though the heavy toll negates a true sense of achievement or profit.
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10 minutes ago, wppete said:
No trade ups please. Take Baker Mayfield with our 1st pick in the 1st round. Then get some O Linemen.
You might have to trade up to get Mayfield when all is said and done.
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1 minute ago, B Fan in LA said:
I think they did try to build an offense more suited to TT this year.
There were designed roll outs, dinks and dunks over the middle to Clay.
We never saw that last year.
They recognized there was no point starting Sammy and Woods because Tyrod couldn't find them anyway,
so they took the draft choices and got slower, taller receivers for him to find.
For awhile it seemed to be working. Then, for some reason, It just stopped working.
McD is on the hot seat and he wants to move on at QB. TT is gonzo.
If they could find anybody willing to give them a 4th rounder for him right now, I think they'd do it tonight
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I keep reading that Taylor and Dennison's offense aren't compatible. Others have also complained about the new blocking scheme which went away from the aggressive approach that yielded a generally more effective run game. Whatever accomodations were made for Tyrod, they didn't seem to consistently use read-option and roll outs, though we may have used them some. I personally just don't think Taylor is a quality starting qb. Regardless, I agree they would be happy to unload Taylor for a mid-round pick.
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2 minutes ago, Lfod said:
I think getting a QB is the safe pick. I just wouldn't like to be forced to take a QB out of desperation. Hopefully the Bills can get to a favorable spot and we are not picking at scraps just because we still hungry.
Forced made some sense the EJ year when there really weren't first round grade qbs available. There will be some in 2018. Fortunately, our desperation and rational action are not antithetical under those conditions.
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Just now, Tatonka68 said:
How many draft picks would you trade for the next Jim Kelly. Answer ALL of them. The Bills fans waited long enough.
I have been torn on this insofar as we have so many glaring holes, I have wanted to both trade up for qb and keep enough in reserve to substantially improve elsewhere. I hope we don't have to choose, but if it takes a boatload to get the qb, get the qb.
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1 minute ago, Lfod said:
Well I won't deny that it might be a direction I still would go potentially. I think Tyrod is a playmaker. I still not sold that he's trash. He played hurt all game I respect him a lot.
I wouldn't be hurt if they did build the offense him only if it made sense because you might not be able to grab one of the top 3 QBs or have to spend to much to get it.
Well, I think we have the ammo to grab the third best qb. If Darnold comes out, I'd be more than happy with either Rosen, Darnold, or Mayfield. If not, I think Jackson may be around for one of our firsts and I would take a shot. No way in Hades you are selling this fan base on any form of even potentially building around Tyrod. He appears a fine person and an excellent athlete, but I don't think he's really capable of being consistently good at qb. Given the lower threshold, I would agree he is a solid backup.
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Really, this is precisely the time of year when one switches from long-shot wild card calculations to figuring out draft scenarios. It's going to end up a typical 7-9 type mediocre finish. At least the Chiefs are swooning. Now go up and get a real qb for goodness sake.
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26 minutes ago, Lfod said:
Tyrod Taylor to me is an excellent back up quarterback and borderline starter. He made some good plays and he was the fault of some bad plays.
Yea I think this injury could be the end of his season. We can't score points and it's embarrassing.
And yet last week, some folks were suggesting we build around Tyrod.
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I surely did not expect the disaster this season has been. You have to wonder about Housley. If you could look at the Amerks and project a juggernaut in a few years, it would be easier to take, but I don't really have confidence that will happen. Better hope a fair number of fellas in the pipeline are going to hit.
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MASH was always a good fella. Glad he is here.
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2 minutes ago, BrooklynBills said:
The third best QB(Josh Allen) is a great QB prospect who likely would have been the 1st QB taken last year. It is not unrealistic to think that the Bills would be able to swing a trade with either the Colts, Browns(they have the Texans 1st), 49ers, Bucs, or Bears, all of whom will be picking in the top 10, with a great chance that the Bears, 49ers, and Colts are in the top 5. Those 3 teams will absolutely be looking for extra draft picks after making trades for QBs(49ers, Bears) or having needs at literally every position besides QB(Colts).
I am ambivalent about Allen based on what I have read about him. I have not seen him play, but the folks on this board who seem bright about qb seem uncertain or positively against him. So I am just going off what they have said. I've seen Mayfield and Jackson and think they have potential. Anyway, Allen has the measurables in abundance.
3 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:I don't have any evidence for this, but at the end of the day I think Darnold comes out. Too many people think he's the best prospect in the draft, and I think he'd go #1 overall if he leaves SC. I don't see how he can turn that up.
Unless he really, really, really doesn't want to play for Cleveland. (And who could blame him
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15 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:
I think the wise move is to spend a crapload of draft capital in the one year we have it and get a franchise qb. A franchise QB is a dozen-year investment. If he pans out, he covers up everything else. I do not want to settle for Brady Quinn, JP Losman, Christian Ponder, or Brandon Weeden. If the team actually believes that one of the top guys is a sure-thing franchise qb, do what you have to do to get him. We will have the ability to do it for once this year. I still wince at the fact that the Bills couldn't muster up enough draft capital to trade up past Pitt in 2004 and get Roethlisberger, who they loved.
The "economical move" doesn't really apply here because in football it's a winner-take-all market in which the QB is everything.
Some folks want to spend crazy to move up. I am reticent to do that, but I do think your basic point is correct. If you identify a franchise qb and don't have one, you have to go get the fella. Just having one should make attracting free agents easier. Imo, Rosen and Darnold are the only qbs I would put in that class. I just doubt Cleveland or the Giants move off their pick if they are at #1 and #2 and that leaves you trying to grab third best qb on your chart. I have Mayfield and Jackson as targets more likely in our range. I think both have a chance at being very good qbs, but there are more question marks.
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1 hour ago, Luka said:
I came here to say this. He's also athletic though. Was running the option last year in a couple games. I think he's also a second rounder, which allows the front office to get much better front 7 players in the first.
If we got Mayfield in the second I would be ecstatic. With the inflated value at qb, still think he gets picked mid first, maybe a bit later if Darnold enters the draft.
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2 hours ago, Canadian Bills Fan said:
Josh Rosen please
CBF
Probably going first overall.
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53 minutes ago, snafu said:
4 points in the past 10 games.
17 Goals for.
31 Goals Against.
Sadly, I am already focusing on the 2018 draft and hoping for Dahlin. What a mess.
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6 minutes ago, xRUSHx said:
AFC North
Bengals - Andy Dalton
Browns - Tyrod Taylor
Ravens - Joe Flacco
Steelers - Ben Roethlisberger
AFC East
Bills - Josh Rosen
Dolphins - Alex Smith
Jets - Josh McCown
Patriots - Tom Brady
AFC South
Colts - Andrew Luck
Jaguars - Sam Bradford
Texans - Deshaun Watson
Titans - Marcus Mariota
AFC West
Broncos - Chad Kelly
Chargers - Philip Rivers
Chiefs - Patrick Mahomes
Raiders - Derek Carr
NFC North
Bears - Mitch Trubisky
Lions - Matt Stafford
Packers - Aaron Rodgers
Vikings - Teddy Bridgewater
NFC East
Cowboys - Dak Prescott
Eagles - Carson Wentz
Giants - Sam Darnold
Redskins - Kirk Cousins
NFC South
Buccaneers - Jameis Winston
Falcons - Matt Ryan
Panthers - Cam Newton
Saints - Drew Brees
NFC West
Cardinals - Eli Manning
49ers - Jimmy Garoppolo
Rams - Jared Goff
Seahawks - Russell Wilson
Well, I like Rosen, but how do you see that happening realistically. Apparently we traded Tyrod Taylor and picks for the first pick in the draft.
Even the Browns aren't that stupid.
1 minute ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:We have some weapons in their prime, and if we don't need to trade up we have 5 picks in the 1st 3 rounds to alleviate any of his concerns personnel-wise. We have the cap room moving forward to give him a sizable contract. I feel like whether the OC is Dennison, Jackson (my ideal choice), or someone else, having a Cousins in place with Shady, KB, Clay, etc. makes the destination enticing. He's originally from Michigan, so he'd be used to the climate and closer to home. I certainly don't expect it to happen, but we have the resources to make a pretty convincing sell, imo.
I love the idea of Hue Jackson as OC.
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Just now, BuffaloHokie13 said:
In my scenario with Cousins we bide our time and take a guy like Clayton Thorson on day 2
Yeah, if you sign Cousins, you are not going the bridge qb route. Then you take a developmental qb with a chance at upside.
However, I'd take a shot at the enigmatic Josh Allen in that case, though you might have to use a first to do it.
MMQB: “The Crying Hour” and the Bills Unorthodox Team Building
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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Sabres didn't stand up for Miller and the team fell apart. Bills will have so much turnover next year, it probably doesn't matter, but it's not a good look.