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that would be where we differ, I don't think that will be the case.
Yes, I think teams actually have the qbs rated higher than the popular view among most pundits and there are too many qb needy teams, including teams like the Cards and Steelers with aging vets that will be looking to add qb early. I don't really include Kizer, though I suspect he will go before #44 as well. Mahomes, Trubisky, and Watson are the qbs I am interested in. If one of them is there at #44, I will be very surprised. I will then be apoplectic when the Bills pass on whoever is there to take a different player.
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I think you are way off on the quality of this qb draft class. Most likely they will be very Billsy and recycle cb.
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i don't think it's 2013. More like 2014. I'm good with the pick coming in the 2nd if they really like one. I think Zach Cunningham is McD's type of player and will be our pick somewhere mid to later first after trading back.
You may be right, but all the qbs worth taking will be long gone by #44.
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Astro had some sort of predictive filter a while back that had us taking Trubisky at #10 and Cam Robinson at #44.
I said I would be happy with that and you said
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Because this draft is so rich with talent on the defensive side more teams will desire trading down than moving up. That will result in the value of the return to trade down to be less. The so-called value chart will be devalued.
You make an excellent observation that pivot points will come quickly in this draft, starting with San Fran. Do they go for a qb or do they play it cautiously and go with the best player? If they take a qb then the the fallout for the other qbs is going to happen sooner in this draft than later.
As I have often stated to the point of belaboring the point the Bills will be making a big mistake if they don't select a qb with their first pick, including trading down to still do so.
Well, I'm with you and Jeffismagic on this -- and I absolutely see the scheme fit with lb and Foster, Bills weak at lb, etc. -- but if we pass on Trubisky and Mahomes to fill a hole on D, it will be more of the same bad strategy. I think this qb class is underrated. The fact that they all need a year of seasoning has folks buying that this is 2013 redux. It's not. Ah, well, at least this mock, it isn't another cb.
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That clip with Kizer and Mooch shows us what Kizer showed every team he visited with at the Combine. There were quotes coming out all week that Kizer was crushing interviews and blowing away coaches with his work on the whiteboard. Of all the QBs coming out this year he may have the highest FBI. Watson was the other QB said to have won big during his interviews, displaying his leadership and team-first mentality.
And it was just recently said this week that NFL teams and coaches are a lot higher on these QBs than the media/online scouts and us armchair GMs, A couple of these guys are going to be very good players. This isn't 2013 and some are treating it like it is, there are some NFL quality QBs coming out this year.
Yes, I believe this is correct. Yet a Bills' insider (Leroi) claims our interest is all smokescreen designed to get one of a designated handful of players 2 wr, 1 te, 1 cb, 1 de to fall to us. This could be more disinformation, of course, or rank speculation, though I have been told by various long-time members here that Leroi is legit. This disappoints me, as I like a number of qbs and franchise qb trumps other needs in my view.
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Recent history shows our supposed QB interest is more likely a smokescreen than not. I remember us loving Carson Wentz, and having dinner with Garrett Grayson, and before that it was Ryan Nassib as our potential 1st pick. Don't believe anything you hear this time of the offseason.
I was not being sarcastic. Leroi is supposedly a real insider and he says it is a smokescreen.
I don't agree with OBD's strategy, but it is what it is as they say.
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Someone has to maintain the high standards of TSW...
Message board proofreader is a full-time job. Watch out for Trubinsky . . .
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You sure about that?
33, Cosell -- you happy now?
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You can't discount the TDs either, the guy have 50 combined. 50/17 is not a bad ratio, that is +43.
I am reliably told by many on this board that the qb interest is a smokescreen, so apparently none of this matters.
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Revised mock seems very plausible. Bills cycle first round cbs --- novel tactic.
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He has proven not to be on multiple occasions.
My recollection is he is hit and miss, so I am uncertain if he is really speculating or not. I have not paid very close attention, however, so maybe you're right. As I said, if so, this does not encourage me that OBD is on the right track. I'll repeat what I've said in a few other threads Leroi has contributed to: we likely get the first WR at #10. Maybe someone takes Howard, but this is a deep draft at TE. It is also a deep draft at DB. The positions Leroi says we are targeting don't need a smokescreen, do they? Only thing I can figure is DE and maybe wanting a specific player to fall.
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If the Bills pass on a Mahomes or Trubisky to get a player like OJ or Corey Davis they are even dumber than I thought.
If McDermott pulls a Dick Jauron draft and falls on his face then we hired the wrong guy.
And lots of folks here would applaud it
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The way it is used in thread it means anyone who disagrees with me or disagrees strongly with me. Not actually the definition, maybe it was on another board that no longer exists?
What is sad is how angry people get just because some of don't see a secret Russell Wilson about to take flight. And when the Buffalo Bills decided to not pick up the option the evidence is the Bills view Tyrod as a place holder, not a franchise QB.
The Bills interest in QBs in the draft? Just a smokescreen so that another wide receiver or tight end drops to the Bills because we're gonna build an offense around Tyrod.
What WR is going before #10? All this is a ruse to make sure Howard is available? That's a very implausible scenario being spun. This is a deep year at TE and DB.
On the other hand, this is OBD, so who knows?
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The fact that McD said it could be a smokescreen, and both John Murphy and Sal said they think it's a smokescreen, I'm thinking it isn't.
Leroi also says smokescreen, so I am inclined to agree with you.
Imo
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Texas Tech QB Patrick Mahomes, TE Tyler Scalzi, FB Luke Stice worked out Mon. for Bills' Terry Pegula, Sean McDermott, Jim Monos, per source
We worked out all the Qbs other than Watson now. Still looks like they want to find their franchise guy this year.
Well, not according to Leroi -- I am not convinced he is not a fraud, but if legit, we are following the tired path to failure once again.
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QB interest is a smoke screen to get teams to bite on them early.
Our targets will be WR (2) / TE (1) /DE (1) /CB (1)
I have the names of our top five prospects and I will release them as we get closer to the draft.
Later round info next week...
Imo
This would be more bonehead strategy from OBD if true. This is an unusually deep draft at the TE position. We are likely in line to draft the first WR off the board at ten. This is also a very deep draft for the CB position. Unless they have targeted a specific player like Allen that they think may fall due to a run on qbs, the smokescreen strategy you are selling is implausible or stupid.
Imo
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I do have teams I root for, but I don't really get terribly happy if they win or sad if they lose. It's simply dull to have no rooting interest once the playoffs begin. When I was a kid, the Bills were also bad and I liked the Vikings because of Fran Tarkenton and purple and Vikings. Then my family moved to Atlanta and I picked up the Falcons. 0 - 10 for Super bowls; maybe it's me
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Thank you, Bandit. I appreciate your contributions on this board.
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If your first team is the Bills and your second team is the Browns, you are doing it wrong.
Unless you're a masochist.
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There are probably certain minimums that make sense, but too strict a size criteria is foolish.
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I appreciate the sentiment.
I have scouted about 50 more guys, but they're more of the late-round/UDFA variety types, so I probably won't post a list beyond what's there.
As to McMillan, he reminds me a bit of Ragland in that he's instinctive and aggressive. He's a solid downhill 'backer that can get to the ball. He's not as stout as Reggie is, but I think he's a bit more instinctual as a zone defender against the pass.
He's a solid day 2 guy for me, but not necessarily a great fit for Buffalo IMO.
I make no claims to being an expert. I am intrigued by Tyus Bowser. Any thoughts on the fella and where he might go?
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Desperation is not a good thing. Make the best decision based on talent.
Fine. I think the team has lacked proper urgency on the position and needs to give priority to finding a franchise qb.
This will inevitably involve risk. None of this means advocating taking someone who lacks potential or projecting a long shot to radically outperform where you project him.
It does mean there should be a willingness to pass on a very good player that fills a defensive hole if your evaluation says a qb could be a genuine top 10 NFL qb with proper development.
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Longtime NFC Scout says #Bills 'desperate' for quarterback, believes team will take Mitchell Trubisky http://bit.ly/2otdmYX
Desperate is where they should be. I hope they have that mindset.
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Dobbs is my pick as well if we take a late round flier.