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1 minute ago, EmotionallyUnstable said:
Diggs last 9 REGULAR SEASON game totals
42-457-2 (4 grabs for 50 yards/game)
Davis last 7 REGULAR SEASON game totals (2 DNP)
15 - 310 - 2 ( 2 grabs for 44 yards/game)
Samuel and Coleman should undoubtedly be able to fill those shoes, and then some.
Take a step back off the ledge.
Yes, let's use the abysmal performance of the WR room the second half of last year as the low bar threshold by which to measure what will be considered acceptable performance or not this year. The offense struggled. Maybe it won't with Brady and the new players, but I'm not all that confident about it. Kincaid is going to have to be the main target, I think, so I hope he has a leap and not a sophomore slump year.
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2 minutes ago, NewEra said:
I mean, your chance of success increases for every elite player you have. More so on the defensive line than split out wide.
I don’t think our WR unit is average either. I think it’ll be better than KCs last year. I think our RB room will be better than theirs. I think our TE room can be similar as well as our OL.
we just need the coaching and to execute the plays that are called. Having a star WR1 didn’t do much for us in the playoffs 4 years in a row.
I think we can win with what we have as long as the defense doesn’t take a major step back and stays healthy
We only nominally had a WR1 last year, imo, but I take your point. Getting younger on D will hopefully mitigate the injuries somewhat.
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3 minutes ago, NewEra said:
Good luck with that. Anything can happen….but that’s not happening imo. Seems to me they’re going to roll with what they got plus maybe a 2nd 3rd tier FA if one happens to come available and take less money than they thought.
Bottom line- it doesn’t matter if our WR group is better than last years as long as our TE group is better, our RB group is better and our OL is at least as good. Not to mention our coaches.
I think there’s too much infatuation with WRs in this fan base. They matter, don’t get me wrong….but let’s not act like having an elite War unit is needed to win a SB.
Sure, it's not needed, but your chances of success increase if you have it. (And I don't think our current WR room is even average, but maybe I'm wrong.) I'm disappointed in Beane's approach, and I'm not sold on Coleman, but I'm not writing off the season. Be interesting to see what kind of offense Brady comes up with after a full off-season to implement it. The draft indicates what you surmise. I'm on board with integrating the run game, and obviously, Kincaid is our best weapon, so TE usage ought to be a huge part.
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24 minutes ago, sven233 said:
The quick answer is NO and I have a feeling we will be entering the 2025 draft still in search for our WR1. Unless there is a trade at some point, which Beane has already says is not on the horizon for now, it's going to be tough out there at times. Kincaid will have to carry this team much like Kelce carries the Chiefs for us to be successful consistently this season..
Does SF loading up on WR in the draft suggest that Aiyuk might be available through a post 6/1 trade? I'm reduced to hoping for slim possibility narratives . . . when 2025 gets here, the same crowd that was preaching holes on defense will want to go get an edge or cb in the first. And I don't trust Beane and McD not to agree with them.
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2 minutes ago, Estro said:
I've got to put it down on record so I'm going to post here.
Despite trying to get optimistic about the Keon Coleman pick, I've gotta go with my gut and how I felt about him prior to the Bills selecting him. I don't think he'll end up being a good WR in the NFL. I hope I'm wrong, and maybe I will be. Maybe his opportunity in Buffalo coupled with getting to play with a great QB will help him tip the scales and he'll become a productive WR for the Bills.........but I'm just not optimistic at all.
Listen to any of the smarter guys who breakdown these prospects, whether its Greg Cosell, Matt Harmon of reception perception, or most of the guys over at PFF and they don't like the prospect. Now does that Mena they'll be right? No it doesnt, but there is a lot of evidence that guys like Keon Coleman don't pan out in the NFL.
After watching everyone of his targets this past season I cam away very underwhelmed. I didn't see a guy worth of the #33 pick. I don't think he catches the ball particularly well in traffic and for a guy that's not fast and will be covered a lot that's concerning. I also saw blvery little burst. On a lot of his receptions near the line fo scrimmage he was easily tackled by the defense and showed very little wiggle or ability to hit it north/south quickly.
I'm very curious what thr plan will be for Coleman because guys like Matt Harmon thought any chance he'd have at success would be with a move to the slot. Similar to how Marques Colston played for the Saints.. But it seems the Bils think hes an X receiver.
Time shall tell, hope I'm wrong
Well, that's the negative case, and the reason I preferred Mitchell or Legette as an X, and McConkey as a Z that could be a volume receiver year one.
I still think those were better choices, and I also believe McConkey has a high floor, though there are some injury concerns.
Regardless, if you read the opinions on the positive side of the ledger, there are reasons for hope. My main sticking point is that fellas like him, if they do succeed, often do so as a big slot.
That is absolutely what we don't need, because Kincaid is our best weapon, and that's where he needs to be. So, I dunno. I'm hoping folks who think he can be a boundary receiver are right. I'm also hoping those who think he is unlikely to outright bust are correct, and that a better Gabe Davis is his floor. If he hits, of course, I do think WR1 is a ceiling for him.
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1 minute ago, klos63 said:
I've been wondering why we aren't asking these questions about the Oline. Is anyone really feeling good about our new LG and Center? If they don't play well, doesn't matter much about our WR room.
Van Pran will be the Center. That's my belief, folks can think that is overly optimistic. McGovern will stay at LG.
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29 minutes ago, Logic said:
Yeah. Apparently Beane said Coleman "will have a hard time starting in year 1". Something to that affect.
So Samuel/Hollins/Shakir seems to be the opening day plan (save me the "Shaver or Shorter or Hamler are gonna surprise everyone and win a starting spot!" hopium), which is just...unfathomably depressing.
I was so strongly hoping that the Bills would find a way to get better in the WR room this offseason, and they somehow appear to have gotten markedly worse.
And then Beane has the gall to say "let's don't forget that we have good tight ends that we can throw to!".
I need a drink.
Once again, I'd like to request a "sangry" emoji.
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1 hour ago, transient said:
My point was more that it's a bit hyperbolic to say it's inexcusable to ask your elite QB in his prime to throw to an inferior cast of WR talent around him. It's not ideal, but once the axe started to fall on the roster after the end of the season with the Bills in cap jail, it is what it is.
2024 was destined to be a reset regardless of what we wanted to believe. Drafting a WR in the later rounds of this draft wasn't likely to change it for next season. Bringing in has-been headcases would only make it worse. Like it or not, it appears that the Bills are going to be asking Allen to make the offense in 2024 greater than the sum of its parts.
If the guys they brought in can at least catch, outside of Shakir and Kincaid, that would be a nice change of pace from last season.
I think you are one of the credible posters here. I don't quite agree with you, but I understand your point.
I'm not interested in drafting a WR in the later rounds. They needed to draft two early, or plan on bringing in a veteran post 6/1 that isn't ready for the glue factory.
Obviously, it is a reset year. I think you can do that and not have one of the worst WR rooms in the league, which is what I think they have, even if the plan is to redistribute targets and use RB and TE more.
For instance, if there is a secret trade that brings in Aiyuk for 2025 draft capital, and they have a way of fitting him under the cap, and extending him, I'd think Beane had an excellent plan, and he was not irresponsible about the WR room. If not, I think he is carrying forward his Carolina roots which neglected the position when Beane was there.
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5 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:
I agree. Not sure if this is realistic, but I’d love the move.
Pretend that is the plan, and look at Beane's draft from that perspective. It suddenly makes much more sense.
I sure hope this is more than fan fiction.
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8 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:
I usually agree with you, but I just don’t see spending the 60th pick on a player the team thinks will be an elite safety is bad value. The Bills D in this era, for all of its flaws, has been REALLY good at preventing points and limiting yards, and that’s because their secondary, which is built as much around safeties as it is around corners, has been fantastic at preventing big plays. The safety play has been a crucial element of this, and if they think Bishop is someone who can come in quickly become field director out there, then the pick becomes a lot more understandable from a value perspective. Just look at a team like Washington: so, so many high picks spent on the d-line - and for good players too! - but they can’t stop anyone because their secondary is so goddamn bad. In particular, their safeties are horrible: Cameron Kurl (7th rounder) and Percy Butler (4th rounder). Then look at the Patriots. Yeah, they were bad last season because of their offense, but their defense remained excellent despite an incredible rash of injuries. The reason? Well, a big one was that their second round safety (Kyle Dugger) was one of the most impactful secondary players in the league and because Julius Peppers was a well-above average player last season. Their safeties, along with Christian Barmore, are what made that defense such a challenge to face.
Anyway, I think you might want to rethink your valuation of safeties. They are not the defensive equivalent of RBs (LBs are); they’re more the equivalent, value-wise, of tight ends because like TEs, they have be effective in both the run and pass games. They also need to be smarter than the average defensive player, generally speaking (like TEs on the other side).
I don't mind the investment at S. Bishop was one of my favorite safeties in the draft, and it was not a particularly deep draft at the position. If I had known Hicks was going to slide like he did, well, I think he would have fit our system. I just don't align with whatever their vision of the WR room is. I agree with @Kirby Jackson that they seem to be asking folks to play one level up from where expectations should be comfortable. And Coleman wasn't my pick. I liked Mitchell and McConkey (along with Legette) at #28, 32, 33. I'd have tried to find a way to get two of them.
Anyway, it played out the way it did, and now I'm hopeful Coleman can actually be a successful boundary WR (he's likable and athletically gifted, I still worry about separation.) Beane has to bring someone in post 6/1. If they are really satisfied with the WR room standing pat, to me it's Carolina's Cam Newton years redux, only we have yet to even reach a single SB.
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15 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:
I said yesterday that I think Coleman is the wideout version of Kincaid the tight end.
That's great, because they both need to play in the slot to be maximally effective.
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2 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:
It’s more about Reid designing the plays vs calling them, but that’s jmo.
Could be. It's just a pet peeve of mine when folks point to KC as an equivalent situation that somehow justifies our inadequate WR room.
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16 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:
I think I see what Beane is trying to do with WRs. A great ability to have is unpredictability. It's good to have the ability to spread the ball around, find the mismatches and exploit them.
However, I'm kind of tired of the constant questions at WR. Last year was "hoping" Sheffield and Harty were more than they had ever been. They weren't. Or "hoping" John Brown or Cole Beasley could be brought back mid season and regain their past play. They didn't. "Hoping" Gabe Davis could take the step to be a consistent #2 WR and possibly one day a #1. He couldn't. So on and so forth.
I get it, not every spot can be filled with an NFL All-Pro. Role players are useful. Just once though I would love to have more answers than questions at WR. This year it's "How will Coleman fit?" It's "Man, maybe Shavers or Short can step up". "Can Andy Isabella have a late age growth spurt and make it to 5'5" tall?" "Can KJ Hamler (who I do think at least has some potential skill) stop doing Marquise Goodwin impressions?"
Just one year can we not have Josh Allen throwing to the Island of the Misfit Toys?
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2 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:
As a former Toledo resident I'm offended. I also offending myself for being a Toledo resident.
I just picked them because I always thought that was a cool name for a baseball team.
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20 minutes ago, transient said:
1. The Chiefs did a similar thing to Mahomes’ WR corp the last 2 seasons… was that inexcusable?
2. If this offseason has been bad, adding 2024 OBJ or Michael Thomas, both washed up headcases, would make it that much worse.
It's more excusable for the Chiefs with Andy Reid calling the plays.
If they add, it will have to be a trade for a roster player that isn't a washed headcase, or maybe someone shakes loose that isn't currently available due to the draft.
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2 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:
1-32 where to you rank the Bills WRs? I’m not talking about the TEs or RBs. Where do you think that they are in terms of WR rooms? Please list all of the teams that you think are worse than them.
Toledo Mudhens.
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Just now, GASabresIUFan said:
Considering all the actual high character guts they just drafted, this is really a strange signing.
Especially if they maybe passed on players like Mitchell and Burton because of character issues of one kind or another.
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1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said:
I’m guessing sarcasm? I don’t even understand the last part about “Cooper Cupp.” Cooper Kupp is an elite WR. Coleman has some similarities to Kupp coming out in terms of their separation issues. Kupp is a big slot though. The guys that have succeeded without separation have been big slots. If you don’t believe me, maybe you’ll believe WR guru Matt Harmon. Listen here as he explains:
In terms of the volume, Kincaid will have a hard time handling it with 11 man boxes. The Bills needed some guys to run routes 20 yards down the field to open up the underneath. Underneath is where the guys currently on the roster succeed. That will be really crowded.Also, when it comes to “volume” a raw rookie who lacks separation isn’t a guy that eats targets. If they would have taken someone like McConkey (not my favorite of the options but better than Coleman) his skill set would have allowed for volume early. The Bills have roughly 600 targets to go around this year. How do you see them divided? Keep in mind that Diggs, Davis, Sherfield and Harty combined for like 300 last year.
Before you tell me that Curtis Samuel (who I am a big fan of) is going to be the main guy, here’s what his GM had to say on him:
Here is how his OC used him when they were last together:
Again, I like the player but if you think that he is the number 1 WR that’s going to see the 160 targets that Diggs saw, we aren’t close to agreeing.
Feel free to be comfortable with the WR room. I’m not and gave some of the reasons above. I would have pushed my chips in for an alpha. If you disagree, what is it that you like about them?
He might switch to sarcasm about how Josh is not serious about football.
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2 minutes ago, stevewin said:
Thanks for including some perspective. I'm not sure I would call it political per se, but with all the international promotion the league was/is doing they definitely wanted teams to take these guys - even if it was mostly a PR thing. On NFLN at the end of the draft where they are basically ignoring all the last picks they actually showed the pick on the stage like it was some big deal. The incentive to a team I guess is that you can carry them on an extra PS spot - I'm actually surprised there isn't more incentive given. I wouldn't be surprised at all if the league tries to grow this over time into trying to make more international players available (and possibly give more incentives to teams to pick one). Regardless of whether any have any shot at all of actually every playing, the league seems so determined to promote this international thing I could see it increasing.
Maybe it's Beane trying to make sure we get the 3rd round comp pick next time.
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21 minutes ago, Shortchaz said:
This isn’t a draft to get excited for, in a traditional way, but it was (probably) exactly what the doctor ordered. I appreciate the philosophy used this off-season and am completely on board with setting the table for next year (2025).
If things go well we will make a playoff run this year. It will be superbowl or bust in 2025.
IF josh was going to miss time with an injury in his career, this would be the year to do it.
What the hell, don't even think those thoughts. It's bad juju.
6 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:That’s like not prioritizing “pass rushers that can rush the passes” or “offensive linemen who can block.” Imagine living in a world where you don’t think it’s an important skill for a WR to get open. 😂😂
Apparently one is an ignorant yahoo for being concerned about it. They went into one of the deepest drafts at WR and took one shot.
That fella may turn out well, and I sure hope he does, but separation is an issue -- this after Beane explicitly said they were looking to be more explosive and that separation was a criteria for improving the WR room.
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19 minutes ago, Bill Grundy said:
He's being called a 'rugby player'.
But he plays in the eigth tier of English rugby. I. can't even tell you how far down that is. It's barely pub level. My old club plays 8th tier.
He's also a winger in rugby. Which means his attribute is pace and he's too much of a pansy to get involved with the rough stuff.
It's weirdest pick I've ever seen. 7th round or otherwise. I presume there are political reasons behind it.
If he's a Tackle, I'm Napoleon. But it's a laugh, I suppose.
Don't invade Russia.
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5 minutes ago, Beast said:
Having the word “Grab” in your name when you are an offensive lineman is bad luck.
Kind of like that CB the Steelers took once upon a time. Artie Burns. Bad name for a CB.
He's going to legally change his name to Tylan Neverholding.
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5 hours ago, Thrivefourfive said:
Agreed. No more timid scaredy cats. Coleman is a very impressive looking human being for a 20 year old. Jesus. He seems very serious about his craft and winning. I’m going full homer here but I see that crazy focus, and cut the BS glare in his eyes.
I like the personalities we are putting on the field. Dawson and Brown, Torrence, are demonstratively badasses. Coleman toughens up the WR group. It’s okay that Kincaid is a Cinderella type because Knox knocks. This new RB is supposed to be a mean man. Bernard obviously, the new safety, Crazy Ed Oliver. Daquan.
Can someone with a line to Beane get him to produce a brawler punter. That’d be huge.
You can add Van Pran to that list.
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I was just joking with you. I might be a bit younger, I dunno, but I do remember watching the Leafs.
I used to like them, whereas I have always disliked the Bruins, though I admired Bobby Orr, for instance.
There's something entitled about Toronto, and their fans, I'm not sure, that turned me against them.
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Definition of a #1 receiver
in The Stadium Wall
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As you know, I'm really hoping this narrative has merit, but overall, I think it is more likely Beane is cognitively impaired when it comes to assessing what is and is not an acceptable WR room. It's just exasperating that they always seem to ask Josh Allen to do more with less. There probably is enough above the minimum threshold for him to work with, but why place that burden on him?