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13 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:
Lol, are you referring to the time that he traded his 1st round pick, while needing a QB, for arguably the best QB ever? That draft was McDermott though.
My only counter is that the way to prevent Chiefs from getting Worthy was to pick him ourselves. How else would we have prevented Chiefs getting him anyway? I am guessing that Beane knew that the 3 teams in the middle did not want him
I absolutely do not want to help our arch(est) rival but this sounds like a situation where the Bills got some assets while not changing any of the selections between the two teams
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31 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:
I think you can see where I'm going with this. Beane's MO is to not risk missing on his guy (assuming the player is within a reasonable distance) and this is the reason why. I'm not saying he HAS to move up at all; just saying that there is a potentially steep price one pays by sitting still and "letting the draft come to you." This is assuming, of course, that the player you want is someone you truly believe in, but that should be a given in any trade-up.
Anyway, food for thought.
Excellent post.
More recently, Cowboys stood still when Beane did a small trade-up and got a guy Jones coveted.
I am all for a trade-up to get the guy you really want and the cost of a low draft pick to move up a few slots is forgotten very quickly. Yet some fans don't forget and keep lamenting that "yea but Beane had to use assets to move up". It doesn't matter when you land a Kincaid type player.
I am very much convinced we will see a trade-up tonight.
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On 4/23/2024 at 9:33 PM, Warriorspikes51 said:
okay, I’m on boardCharming young man, ain't he?
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1 hour ago, MrEpsYtown said:
It’s so true. I had the same thoughts. I have kind of come to terms with the fact that both Buffalo and KC are going to take WR and whatever happens we will probably be left wondering if KC got the better guy. It sucks, but when we continue to pick in close proximity and have similar needs, it just is what it is at this point.Simply keeping up with the Chiefs means we will stay one step behind. We need to leap frog them. With weapons to over come the gap in coaching
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12 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:
And Allen is a unicorn on a lot of deep throws. He isn't a great bucket-ball tosser but he can reach parts of the field with ropes that defense's just aren't going to be able to consistently cover without leaving something wide open underneath or in the middle. Not leaning into that strength would be organizational malpractice.
Yessss. Thats my contention too -that more than "#1 WR" or "#2 WR", i rather think of our receivers are (in) capable of challenging the opposing D in every part of the field cos our QB can reach there without rainbowing passes.
At this moment, we dont have that kind of field coverage from the WR room. The skillset leaves large areas of uncovered green. Hope that changes in the next 51 hours.
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1 hour ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:
Trade down, Beane, if you know what you're doing
I am old but looked up in Google and still couldnt come up with anything. What does the acronym OOF mean?
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1 minute ago, Slack_in_MA said:
Hmmm… not sure where that is exactly…
It's near Redington Beach, close to St Pete
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48 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:
I’ve had this weird feeling that they were going into the top 10 for a while. I thought that when Diggs was here. If I thought it then, I can’t change now that the need is greater. I can’t shake Beane press conference when he talked about how “he would love a Ja’marr Chase but hopes to never finish bad enough to draft one.” To me, I think that he looks at it as, “swing big on a star WR” and avoid paying that giant bill for 5 years. You can allocate that savings, moving forward to pass rush or whatever. The rising cost of elite receivers makes this the right time to swing big.
You estimate is that the WR room is bottom 3 right now. I honestly dont know the WR qualities of about 15 teams so I cant challenge nor agree with you.
However, I took a swag at estimating the WR room quality in different scenarios. Do you agree?
Draft one of big 3 + vet addition Top 5
Draft one of big 3 + another in Rd 4 Top 5
Draft 1A tier (BT Jr) + vet addition Top 10
Draft 1A tier (BT Jr) + another in Rd 4 Top 10 (maybe)
Draft 2nd tier and any one else Middle of the road -
If there is a large space overlooking the Falls, it will be a great backdrop to the event.
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2 hours ago, Slack_in_MA said:
Wore my Bills hat around St Pete FL last week and got a handful of Go Bills.
Waitaminute. Were you at Johns Pass boardwalk by any chance when one dude said "Go Bills" to you?
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2 minutes ago, uticaclub said:
If i dont feel like talking to anyone, ill take sure i wont have a Bills hat or shirt because at least one person will want to talk to you
I agree. The guy I said that to in Tampa reacted in a disinterested way as if he didn't know why I said that to him.
OTOH, in San Juan , there was a lady on the phone who did a double take at my shirt, told the person at the other end to hold on cos she spotted a Bills fan, come over to me and said "Go Bills". (Yet another case where I wished I was 30 years younger and unmarried. But I digress)
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1 hour ago, ALLinALLEN said:
I said "Go Bills" to a guy in a Bills hat while in line for the Fast n Furious ride in Orlando last fall...he just stared and awkwardly barely acknowledged it. 🤣
Maybe he bought the Bills hat in the bargain bin 10 years back and had no clue what the charging Buffalo was for.
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1 hour ago, PBF81 said:
Aren't most if not all teams looking for match-up problems for their WRs. That's the most effective way to have a highly effective passing game.
Sure. But most teams don't have QBs whose throws cover the entire field. Whats the benefit of a good boundary receiver if the QB needs to get a running start and heave it with all power to only rainbow a pass to him?
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21 minutes ago, amprov56 said:
During the Fall of the 1990 Gulf War, I was working along the Saudi Arabia Kuwait border, out in the middle of nowhere was a small store at the Port of Entry between the two countries that had cold drinks. Stopping in one day, I had a small Bills patch and I heard in somewhat accented English "Go Bills." The owner of the store, a Saudi businessman stopped in to check up on things and we both initially started laughing and talking football. He attended UB and loved the Bills, Buffalo, and Mighty Taco on Hertel avenue. One of the more interesting and bizarre Bills Fans encounters since I left Buffalo January 1980.
By far the coolest story in this thread so far.
19 minutes ago, BritBill said:I also see gear of plenty of other NFL teams but just mutter disgusting words under my breath at them.
I am mostly surprised in Wisconsin when people wearing Packers gear say "Go Bills" to me. Maybe its the kinship of fans from small town franchises.
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Something different from the overload of draft and WR threads...
Occasionally when I travel, I spot someone wearing Bills hat or T-shirt and of course I say "Go Bills" when I pass that person. The same happens when I have my Bills gear on. Most recently, it happened in San Juan, Puerto Rico in December and Tampa about 10 days back.
I am also tempted to ask that person if he/she is a member of TBD, but for some reason never have. Mostly it is because of my apprehension about that person's demeanour and how willing that person is to a Bills conversation with a random guy.
So my question is - have any of you also felt this way? WOuld you ask about TBD or just leave it at "Go Bills"?
(Mods - if this thread is not appropriate for the main forum, feel free to move it)
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8 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:
Can’t Terry just drill another well if he is short of money?
He might need some real moneyI know you are joking but the gas from such a well is currently selling for historically low prices. The US is producing way too much natural gas right now.
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5 minutes ago, HomeskillitMoorman said:
I bet we could all easily come to a compromise on who to take
Good luck with that
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10 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:
Dude let’s all pool some cash together. Then we can all be in the draft room.
Exactly my thoughts. Then we can more strongly influence Beane. 🙂
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1 hour ago, Cash said:
-I continue to think that Beane doesn’t go into the draft with a specific plan. Meaning like, “I’m trading up for Nabors, then taking a safety with my next pick, then fill holes with my remaining picks.” I do think he goes in with preference, and with various possibilities outlined in advance. But the story is written real-time during the draft, so he doesn’t try to go in with a pre-written story. It’s more of an improv exercise than a writing exercise, if that makes sense. If I’m right, then even Beane doesn’t know what he’s going to do yet. And as a side note, I think this is the right way to approach the draft.
He should go into the draft with broad goals in mind but not about specific players. The draft can fall in many many different ways and he needs to keep himself flexible to react. We saw this last year in trading up for Kincaid when he found out that the Cowboys wanted him. Here is where networking and his contacts with the likes of Schoen and in the Panthers organization help.
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3 hours ago, SoonerBillsFan said:
Yep, just opinions my friend. And YES, if someone is in striking distance he will possibly make a move. But he isn't budging on next years 1st or the 2 second round picks next year
I would take the latter with a grain of salt too. With our available cap space next year, having draft picks in 2025 draft is much less important than having them this year. Plus with the long term goal of team building, we need to use this year's draft to also keep the pipeline full especially at the postions where the FAs next year are projected to be slim.
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8 hours ago, Beck Water said:
This is an interesting point.
I suppose one of the concerns I have is 2019, when Beane added Beasley and Brown and told us all we'd have #1 by committee. That worked well enough to get us to 10-6 and a first round playoff exit, but it really wasn't enough, and adding Dawson Knox as a 3rd round TE pick described as "outstanding combination of measurables and traits, but he's much more moldable clay than game-ready prospect at this point" didn't add enough that year. I don't fault Beane for drafting DL, but there were receivers available within reach for us in the 2nd round who have proven to be very very good players, AJ Brown and DK Metcalf still on the board for example.
So here we are going into a draft described as amazingly deep with WR talent, and Beane's words could translate to "First round DT it is, I'll draft a WR who has great potential late in the 2nd round or maybe in the 4th, see, we added someone!"
Seriously, if you look at Carolina's drafts from 2011 to 2017, it's headshaking.
Thats a rather lopsided track record in Carolina. However, using the first two picks on O in 2023 gives me home he has changed to prioritize offense over defense.
To be clear, my post was not to somehow prepare for a non-WR as our top pick. I absolutely think WR should be our first pick and coming away with a player at any other position will be a disappointment irrespective of how the rest of the draft goes. I think (fervently hope?) that Beane will do a modest move up into the lower teens. I scanned what he said yesterday and its a whole lot of nothing.
5 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:I now feel almost 100% we trade back and get a 3rd rounder. I also think Franklin is their pick.
Granted its just your feelings versus mine, supported by zero actual knowledge, but I think the opppsite - that Beane will trade up.
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23 minutes ago, Beck Water said:
I don't want to go back there. Even if (as some suggest) Khalil Shakir takes a big step, Dalton Kincaid continues to develop, and Curtis Samuel has something akin to his previous career best year, I don't think it's enough, and I'm concerned Beane does or will "settle" for it.
I wrote in another thread that what the Bills really need is excellence to cover all parts of the field. Speed and outside threats are sorely lacking right now and hence we dont have a full WR room by any means. If (when) the Bills add 2 WRs to the roster who can own/excel in specific parts of the skills while also doing other things, then we will have a complete room. Samuel is one example where he has played mostly in the slot but can play outside also. We need the two additions to be the opposite.
So, if you use the pure words, we dont really need a single #1 WR if the above criteria can be filled. I want oppposing Defenses to fear our entire receiving corps as a whole and not one specific threat. Then we will truly have a unpredictable and dominating offense. This portfolio of skillsets will complement Allen's ability to reach any part of the field.
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4 minutes ago, M. Wrotto said:
With expectations lower this year than the past couple of years, here’s a thought. Offer Josh to the Bears for both of their first rounders and their second. Draft Williams, Thomas and Mckonkeywith the first rounders. Fill out the rest of the roster from there. Put 2024 in the books as a probable reset, Look out league in 2025.
We already had a thread with this stupid option. Just shut this one down.
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1 hour ago, BigDingus said:
Nick Wright wants him to go to the Jets though. If McDermott gets fired, would you guys be open to this?
As HC, YES. as GM and HC, no.
But as long as Allen is still our QB.
You asked "if", but depending on how this season goes, I may even advocate firing McD at end of season if BB is still available and interested to be our HC.
Put emotions aside and have a singular focus on The Goal, folks.
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On this I fully agree.
But in this particular situation, imo, the Bills couldn't have stopped Chiefs from getting him anyway