krazykat

Doesn't DC have a subway that goes right to the stadium? I wish we had one in B-lo.

Yeah, but to you shrewd minded ones, there's usually a clue that that's what that thread is going to be about, right? So if someone handed you a gun and told you that it was loaded and to be careful and not pull the trigger and you blew your brains out accidentally because you put it to your head and pulled the trigger, whose fault would it be? What, you love torment so much and have so little self discipline that you have no choice but to do what you say you hate?

I can't believe that anyone here is actually arguing that Peters is not among the top LTs in the league meaning at least top-10. And people call me negative. But more importantly, how can anyone argue against Peters but then not come down on the organization for a whole bunch of other signings? I mean if we put up a poll, and maybe there is one from last season, as to the best players on this team, it seems to me that both Evans and Peters would rank higher than just about everyone else that's gotten either a new contract or an extension from us over the last three or four years.

I didn't realize that Rosie used utensils. Edwards saying that Peters is the most talented player in the league is like Rosie O'Donnell saying the serving fork eating trough is the most important of all utensils eating vessels. There, fixed it for you.

Translation: I'd really prefer not to be counting the number of missing bulbs on the light towers at the Ralph this fall.

Here's a possibility, maybe Peters is so pissed off that he either wants a huge contract or wants to be traded. I doubt that's the case, but would I blame him if it were given all the retarded money being thrown around in Buffalo over the past three seasons for everyone but Evans and Peters, arguably the team's two best players, no.

He anchored our OL last year in our drive to score fewer offensive TDs than any other team in the league. What, you don't see how great our line was last year with Peters, Dockery, Butler, and Walker. (facetious)

You could be right about everyone here in your very rough estimation thinking that Peters deserves a raise, but I don't think I've really touched on that if you've read my stuff. It's most about the approaches here used by both. And I've stated my positions. I've statrted topics/threads as to whose position, Peters or the team, has more risk associated with it, a poll, and one other thing all with different nuances. But people here see "Peters" and just like everything else, it can only have one angle to it, right? Your last comment was denigrating me as to how much Dr. Z knows in contrast (implied) to what I do. Then you ran on about me foaming at the mouth, again, implied, and talked about how I care so much about what others think and whether or not I'm right or wrong. I then explained to you why that's not true, and I'll even ask for examples which you won't provide, but more importantly that Dr. Z's view was much more well received than mine and I had barely posted anything on the topic to go "foaming at the mouth" as you suggested, but his was much more well received. Fine, no problem, but it's all personal, little objective. I'm sorry you failed to understand my post, but how about some football discussion instead of more happy non-negative posting about me simply because you have a case of the ass at me for whatever your reasons are? In the meantime, enlighten me to whay Dr. Z's opinion is any different than mine in this? Otherwise, you say what you said and then come off as holier than thou while doing nothing but insulting me. Your choice, but again, I fail to see how I'm the one being negative here. And for once I tried to sincerely engage you and got this. Then MarkAF43 adds nothing relevant to the topic and digs at me further. And you guys accuse me of negativity. Well, it is amusement in itself. You guys take this team a little bit too seriously if you can't stop from posting that type of stuff. All I'm doing is criticizing an organization. The response by most here is to slam me personally. And I might not disagree with you on most people wanting Peters to get more. But that hasn't been my position so simply. It has everything to do with the methods being employed and the inconsistencies within the organization. But hey, who's reading before they pile on anyway.

Couldn't I ask you the exact same thing based on your post? You and others accuse me of things that take place routinely and daily here. And you're joking, right? Perhaps we should take a look at the forums last year around late December and see how "unnegative" everyone was or how noncritical of the organization you and they were. Yes, I take shots at this organization, do you have a problem with that? In your mind are they beyond reproach? Perfect? So essentially you're lecturing me on what I'm allowed to complain about. Here's an idea, don't read it. And talk about negativity, you don't even discuss the topic here, you just complain about me personally. That isn't being negative? At least I criticize the team not you personally. Any criticisms that I make about anything here is very general, rarely directed at anyone personally, and when it is it is usually because that's the path that that poster has chosen to go down with me. So allow me to sum up for you, you don't want me here because my viewpoints don't line up with yours. Sorry, TFB. I don't say the same about you, I challenge your thoughts like I'm doing here. Got a problem with it, then don't lock horns with me. Want to discuss good football without your personal views interrupting the discussion, feel free. I'm not seeing that in 90% of the posts responding to me. Instead I see little personal attacks, like yours, having absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand, adding nothing, and if they're not negative, well, then are they positive? I don't think so. I'm a Bills fan and unhappy about losing and our status as 12-year no playoff win team and a team that's missed the playoffs for eight straight years now. Apparently you're fine with that and see little room for criticism. If I tell you what I think and at the end of the season I'm wrong, how about then taking me on and seeing what I say about that instead of telling me now as if you know because the team told you so online. Now, in the tone of your tremendously positive post, have you got anything football related that you'd like to discuss? Or do you just want to continue to rant on about me? I fail to see why that's of interest to anyone, yet it is.

Deep sigh! Sometimes I wonder. Actually no, I often wonder. And if I took your approach in this I'd retort with something along what your second comment was. Let's look at Lynch's right side stats for a second. He averaged 5.1 both right side and right sideline. His two long runs last season, and only long runs really worth much in the breakaway department, were both 56-yarders. Do you remember those plays? The first was in Cincinnati, that's the Bengals, so think about that in terms of defense for this discussion. It was very late in the game and very close otherwise and he had a poor game up to that point. He had lots of carries but didn't do much with them and I'm guessing now, but probabl averaged well below 4.0 ypc. Regardless, if you rewatch that play which you can do here, http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter?game_id=2931...7&week=REG9, at the end of the video, you will obviously note that that run had almost nothing to do with blocking and just about everything to do with some of the worst defense and tackling that we've ever seen. First of all there was only one DB on that side. Second of all there was absolutely no surge by the OL and if anything the pocket collapsed. Three tacklers probably should have had Lynch wrapped up but couldn't get the job done and a lot of the credit for that goes to Lynch, not the line. Also you will note that once again there's a TE to that side. The play went to the left a little bit and the defense did too. But you're not going to get away with crediting the line on that play. The next was in the Eagles game to end the season. You can watch that play here, http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter?game_id=2944...&week=REG17 Now I'm not gonna take anything from Butler, but Walker got pushed back on that play and got no surge whatsoever, Butler seemed to have a good block, but let's be honest here, the Bills had a motion blocker and a FB blocking for Lynch and the Eagles only had four men on the line. Butler didn't have to do much with the DT who was who, Mike Patterson maybe? Yeah, OK, good player maybe, but not great. And then what, Butler makes a good play to seal a block, but against who K-9? Chris Gocong? Omar Gaither? Does that impress you? Seriously, does it impress you? It was nothing special from Walker although it can be argued that he was supposed to collapse his man, who, Juqua Thomas? Hardly impressive defensive talent. Ever heard of him? Butler did what he had to do but there was two men of help over there too and to ignore that against a fourman front isn't honest in this debate. So if you want to ignore all that in lecturing me on how great Lynch was to the right side and right sideline, feel free. But it isn't necessary to say I don't know what I'm talking about since I do. If you want to prove something to me, find all the footage of Butler and Walker busting holes open against the Pats, Jags, Pittsburgh, Dallas, and Jacksonville. And good luck with that. Else Lynch and our running game wasn't much better on the right side and right sideline than he was otherwise and overall he was below average in the league there too. And he had help all year like that to the right. But I don't know what I'm talking about though. I'm still waiting from someone to tell me why if Lynch was very good, and he was for a rookie, Dockery, Peters, and Walker were all so good. Now you're telling us how Butler was so good. We had Evans in there too who's better than what most teams have. And Edwards who supposedly played well for a rookie too, why couldn't we score? You can't pin that all on Fairchild. If all those parts were that good, even if you telecast you play to the D you shouldn't be dead last in scoring. Hopefully we can agree on that although I'm not holding my breath. Either way, it's those nuances that you look for if you want to know what your team is capable of doing. As to reviewing every game last year to see what Butler was doing, unless you're trying to prove to me that we have not much talent after him or beside him on offense, that's lame because if he were that great then we would have moved the ball and scored more. Our running game was pretty bad in most games and I can't think of one really good running day we or Lynch had against a good D, can you? So if I were to agree with you, I suppose I would have to agree that all of our players are above average but as a unit they suck. I can't do that.

Can I also ask, do you really believe that most people here don't make the same trivial opinions of theirs over and over again. Yeah right.

Do they get the point? Then why am I asked the same questions and challenged in the same way over and over again by numerous people when they've already been answered and when those points are already laid out? As to Dr. Z, I respect him. As to whether he's the best football writer in history can no doubt be argued. I'm sure he's not 100% correct all the time either just like every writer. When I say dead media man walking, I mean here since he, with the credentials as you suggest, is in disagreement with the majority of this forum. See, there's little tolerance for the non-popular/non-majority view here no matter how much you'd like to argue that point. As to "worrying in public what other people think of my opinion," who says I do? Surely not I. I couldn't care less. I do enjoy good argumentation however, but when someone constantly takes the side of an organization clearly with an undeniable agenda, just like every other team, and when arguments break down into the presenting of data and facts on one side and insults and expressions of dislike for a poster and completely apart from the issues and data/facts on the other, then there isn't much of a credible discussion and argument now, is there? And can't people that disagree simply avoid a thread? Apparently not which to me suggest psychopathic issues in a number of posters altogether. Either way, on this issue Dr. Z would apparently agree with me if what you say is true, and I'm who you or at least many are attempting to discredit just as everyone here has since I in a massive minority manner began to take the same argument as Dr. Z. So, forgetting whether or not I'm right or wrong, which is immaterial, are you suggesting now that the best football writer in history that a) knows how to write, b) is educated about things beyond football and weaves that stuff into his columns pretty well, and c) has a sense of levity about the game since he's been covering it for so long, is correct about his views on the Peters situation which you suggest that DiCesare plagerized from him? If so, then why in developing the same argument up front, and merely at the onset without many posts, was I slammed by the vast majority here both argumentatively as well as personally with all kinds of name calling? Are you now saying that Dr. Z is correct and that therefore I am correct? Again, apart from whether I'm "right or wrong" having anything to do with it. If so, then how do you explain the onslaught that I received if you go back and look at my initial posts? Were those responses a) reasonable by the people that made them, and b) in light of Z's view being the correct one per your seeming endorsement, and regardless, with my simple viewpoint aligning with his otherwise, correct also? If so, why the rash? What, I say it and get slammed. Dr. Z says it and all of a sudden it makes sense? If you ask me this is a perfect example of the anti-social "mob rule" environment that exists in online forum environments.

Of course he is. The Bills are also wrong or at least equaly at fault in not getting negotiations going. I don't know why there isn't more heat on the novice Russ Brandon for this mess. If this were Donahoe, the seasoned expert GM that everyone handed the keys to the kingdom to, he'd have been run out of town by now. Instead, the signings of far lesser players to money they haven't even remotely showed that they'll earn are regarded as good contracts for the team because they're young as if Peters is 33. All I know is that if I'm Jauron, Schonert, or even Brandon I'm shi!!ing my pants over this, because if Peters isn't in camp, I have no idea why anyone thinks that an offense that was one of the few worst in Bills team history will improve by much this year without their best lineman that's worth two of any other. And this team's big splash of a draftee, James Hardy, does not appear to be setting things on fire to the extent that he's going to revolutionize the team as many here seemed to have hoped. Other than him hardly anything has changed. Same OL, same WR's otherwise, same TE's for the most part, same QB, same RB. Yeah, different OC who has never held the position and sits under an extremely defensive minded coach getting little mentoring there. I don't understand why anyone thinks this is good management on this team. Piss off your best players before they leave, sign your expendable players to contracts bigger than they should get because they're young, and rely on rookies to propel your team to the playoffs. Sure. Whatever works as they say. But this won't work.

Case in point!

Fine then, Dr. Z is another Dead "Media" Man Walking then too. And I actually appreciate that insight because I give him no credit. The man's usually an utter buffoon with what he writes. I was wondering how he came up with this. I will say that it's interesting reading the responses here. Seems as if the more cogent and tempered ones are on Peters' side. The others appear to be most little tantrums. What I don't understand is how quickly the posters that offer the least substance band together to determine what the group/gang/mob opinion is. What gets me is that it rarely falls on the side of the better players. Those players all need to tuck their tails and suck it up for the team, while others that are overpaid as backups, role players, and extremely marginal starters and that get paid barely below what the really good players get on a year to year basis after their contracts are evaluated, are championed as great signings all built around "their youth" or something else that has no direct value in and of itself. Message board dynamics are definitely interesting if nothing else.

If Peters is traded and Evans walks, what a statement about our organization that would make.

http://www.buffalonews.com/opinion/columns...ory/406821.html Peters deserves a new deal I'm hardly one to typically agree with DiCesare, but he couldn't be more spot on in this piece. "The Buffalo Bills have some choices when it comes to resolving the holdout of Pro Bowl left tackle Jason Peters. They can continue to send him text messages, maybe try to track him down on MySpace, or they can get on a plane, have themselves a face-to-face meeting and figure out what it’s going to take to get one of their most influential players back in uniform. The organization can adopt the hard-line, 1960s stance that a contract is a contract, or it can wake up to the real world manifest most recently displayed in Green Bay, where running back Ryan Grant skipped seven days of training camp and leveraged his way to a deal that reflects his accomplishments." "Peters’ beef is legit. He’s scheduled to make $3.25 million plus incentives this year, decent money for sure for your average left tackle. ... he’s being paid less than Walker ($5 million), less than Derrick Dockery ($7 million). As much as this is about money it’s also about respect. Your best offensive lineman ought to be paid accordingly." "If the Bills are so adept at developing offensive linemen then how come their front five abounds with free agents? Can we give Peters some credit for what he’s become?" "The contract Peters signed two years ago projected progress but failed to account for his runaway improvement. His learning and performance curves soar off the charts. The Bills had best get over the giddiness of having a Pro Bowl tackle under contract at well under market value and instead recognize that excellence warrants commensurate compensation. That’s good business, too." Bad news Bob, you'll be a hated man amongst "the mob."

That fan support for this team's dumbest decisions keeps driving it into the ground.

LOL Changed.

Aren't there rules against just slamming people because you don't like the content of their posts even though there are no TOS violations? And why, like a dog back to its vomit, do you keep coming back to more of what you say grieves you so much? Do you lack that little self discipline?

Does anyone want to address the actual points in the original post besides merlin and devldog? I asked for opinions of value, not more insults. I realize that's a tall order for most of you. Some of you obviously can though.

You can put me on ignore, no?

You seem to have a problem with honest discussion?

What we do know is that he is in camp and has been for over a full week and the two sides do not appear to realistically be any closer to a new deal than they were back in May. And they've been talking since then at least and into last season even. So clearly if there is anything to be gleaned from the notion that if Peters shows up Brandon will redo his contract before the season starts, it's that that's nonsense and then Peters loses even more leverage. Either way, I still defer to money paid to other players that haven't done much or even anything for this team yet that could have gone to Evans and Peters.

Correct. Here's a full link. So why hasn't Evans jumped on it if it was such a great offer then. We've heard this since May and nothing's changed. http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/19/...gue-with-evans/ As I said, he's in camp with no new deal.