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I like it, but some of us here::::ahem, the Countess of Muppy Cristo::::find some of us pedestrian.

Come on, Irv is killing this with his casual irreverence. It's Friday, summer time, and as the song says: And it's two bare feet on the dashboard Young love and an old Ford Cheap shades and a tattoo And a Yoo-Hoo (Yoo-Hoo) bottle on the floorboard Admittedly there will be no bare feet on my dashboard (the foot is the Chernobyl of bacterial proliferation and with the possibility of air bag deployment always imminent, both feet for the occupant of the passenger seat should be firmly on the floor while the car is moving), I have a 22 Jeep, my love dates back to 1983, shades make me sleepy, I got no ink, and haven't had fake-choco Yoo-Hoo (Yoo-Hoo) in years. Still, it's summer!

Deek, careful apologizing to the Mup. Next thing you know, @muppy will be telling you she doesn't like the color combination on your avatar, or that it's "boring", or that the colors on the field aren't right, and why can't you be more like the cool people with updated graphics and fancy fonts? Sometimes a plain old L in a green circle should be good enough, shouldn't it? It's a proud letter, the L.

Most folks get along, Mupp, or at least coexist in relative peace. You're spot on regarding the political/media desire for divisiveness. The only thing I can offer is it's not so much whether your dopey neighbor thinks you're a dummy for supporting Biden, or the old lady at the gas station wants to comment about the MAGA hat while you're pumping gas, it's all about how you process it. A buddy is from Long Island, big, loud guy with a deep voice and not short on opinions. Because of his vocal skills, he was the go-to at high school athletic competitions when our children were in school. One time, as he was announcing names off a sheet at a very hectic event, a coach walked over to him, interrupted him and tried to chastise him because his athletes were having trouble following directions. The coach was getting rather animated, my friend looked at him and told him, microphone still on, "I DON'T CARE!", looked back to his sheet and kept announcing. The look on the coach's face was priceless, he looked to me for assistance and I handled it from there. My friend's approach to life is something sort of foreign to me. When I talked to him later about it, his thought was that the guy was being a jerk, as 95% of the other athletes figured things out, the coach was failing in his role, but it was not my buddy's problem to fix. There's a certain simple brilliance to that approach, Mup, and I have consciously tried to move in that direction over the past few years.

Sure, I agree, but that doesn’t change the fact that it happens. Mistakes happen. Deliberate actions take place. Coverups ensue. You, as a Trump denier, will see it as suspicious. Others, Supporters of The Trump, will see it as suspicious. Folks in the middle will probably shake their heads, think it’s suspicious and say “It’s just government…”. In the end, we all push on.

The texts could definitely hold important information, but I’m not certain how your speculation that there could be important info about Pence is anymore/less speculative than what other folks covered. I’m also not following you on Pence, refusing to flee and his Presidential aspirations. If the story is correct, he’s one of the demonstrably brave people in the story. I’d think the Secret Service would want to protect him and move him off site during a riot. That’s their job. The declaration that he would not leave sounds as Presidential as one could hope for, other agenda-issues notwithstanding. There’s something for everyone here, that much is true. This is completely speculative and unsubstantiated conspiracy-mongering. I’ll allow it.

Ah, so no, Ricky ######o. I have no idea why Chi Goose suggested it was a bad look. Maybe he believes there’s critical evidence about Trump’s behavior that day. Maybe he thinks the texts would provide clarity on the actions of other players. Maybe he thinks the deleted texts represent evidence of criminal activity by the agent(s) who sent them. Maybe he wanted to know if they ordered Chik-Fil-A, or strippers for a buddy’s bachelor party. Or, maybe he thinks everybody every time should not delete texts when advised not to. He didn’t say. That’s why I asked him. I know what I thought, and now you do too, because you asked me what I thought, and I explained it to you. Cool lady wink.

I’m not screaming at anyone, Deek. My thought was the same as yours. Politicians seem to have these lapses and accidental deletes all the time. It seems it shouldn’t happen, but it does, sorta making it less “not a good look”, more an expected look more times than not. Sadly, the texts may well have provided context of the god-awful level of security that day.

Why is it not a great look?

You’re looking at this the wrong way. In fairness to @The Frankish Reichand Bill Maher, had Trump not actually left the White House as scheduled, and had Biden not had his COVID super-spreader Inauguration as scheduled, taken over, f’d up COVID recovery and just about every part of the economy—-and were Trump still in office to this very day, it’s an indisputable fact that he would have been there to this day. “Just because something never happened does not mean it never did.” -Socrates, or someone, probably.

They sound like a persnickety couple, and more than a bit entitled. What if there is a live person, right now, who wanted that Gmail account they glommed onto pre-vitro? My God, what if that person is the child of someone comfortable with a non-son?

What you’re suggesting is a conspiracy of sorts between the leadership of both major political parties to potentially disembowel the collective will of the average R voter. Are you suggesting this is what happens in Washington? Jk, of course this sort of thing happens in Warshington! The establishment R had no use for Trump until he won. I believe they would have preferred Hillary win. It’s yet another reason that people generally do not trust politicians.

For all my wicked wickedness, I count among my family and close friends Biden supporters, Clinton supporters, and even one very cool hipster Bernie supporter. Several probably fall into the 'Trump hater' category. I have excommunicated exactly 0 people from my life. I speak my piece, listen respectfully to alternate opinions and get along just fine. When I offer some of the thoughts about the Russia collusion narrative to my liberal friends in conversation, it really doesn't take all that long to receive acknowledgement that the whole thing was a clusterf$%# on an epic scale. Virtually all recognize the political aspects of that game, the outcome of Mueller and acknowledge disappointment with what they were lead to believe the outcome would be. I'm not suggesting they walk away amazed at the sheer brilliance of my argument, but certainly don't dig in the way a 940 or some others do here. Maybe we get along like peas and carrots because....ain't nobody dead to nobody?

Humor is how I cope with the trenches, 9forty. I have a huge problem with the 2016 campaign, it’s just that my problem is with the false narrative spread by people apparently not dead to you. I was clear on that, it’s what caused you to flip your lid about an hour ago. As for Trump’s campaign, I didn’t like his comments on John McCain’s service and POWs in general. I’m not a fan of overly hostile/aggressive campaigns, but recognize this is simply the way it’s done these days. See ya gal Clinton’s “deplorable and irredeemable” comments on 35million Americans. As for 2020 and criminal activity. It’s July of 2021. It’s not what I think, it’s what the facts tell me. Are you one of those people who think the FBI and DOJ are in the tank for Trump? And we’re back to Red Flag level stuff, completely out of context with facts, allegations and conclusions.

#icecoldmuppet

“Stay in the trenches long enough….?”. 🤣 What “trenches” are you in, Skip? The PPP internet board with 20 people participating? This brings out the tough talk, hard line edge in you? This place? My comments broke you? You need to toughen up, boy. Not this silly phony bad ass idgaf angle you’re pitching here, but really, in life. To get you started, I want to send you a link about trenches. Read a book once in a while. https://www.history.com/news/life-in-the-trenches-of-world-war-i Best of luck on your journey.

Mup, I know we don’t agree on much politically, but I appreciate your civility when we exchange posts. The humor is a bonus. As for the sad case I replied to, it’s a classic case of an unsettled soul, perhaps beaten down by life, a job, a parent or a partner attempting to drag someone else into the gutter with him. Really, who cares? Face to face, the bluster and facade typically disappears, saved for a time when anonymous internet security prevails. Or, less likely, that sort of crazy manifests itself in some cowardly act we all read about in the news. Either way, I wish him happiness and success in life. Have a great day.

It’s crazy talk like this that lands people like you on a Red Flag list, Skip. Congrats on finding the bold font thingy though.

It's not a matter of ignoring this sort of thing, Logic, at least to me. I'm willing to listen to just about anything brought to the table, but I'm not willing to trust a political committee blindly. That would be dumb af, though that suits some folks. At the same time, recent history suggests that political figures make wide-ranging, unfounded and spurious claims against political opponents virtually every single day. It's a national pastime, and very few people bat an eye at it so long as their preferred party is leading the charge. Bannon sounds a bit like Joe Biden did back in the day, blustering, impressed with his own importance, holding court in front of admirers. What he suggests is unseemly and ugly, but is the allegation that he was acting as an adviser to the president and directing him to conduct illegal operations? Going back just a short time ago, democrat leadership was all over the place claiming treason, treasonous behavior, collusion, a coup, and that the 2016 election was illegitimate. That's not a fantasy created by a Trumpkin, as you derisively call folks who point it out, that's a matter of historical fact, inconvenient though it might be to your point of view. This theory was widely reported and disseminated by major news outlets, with perpetual 'oh, it's coming' circular reporting that effectively died the day Mueller embarrassed himself in front of a national audience is spite of exceptionally broad powers to kick in doors and knock some heads. Move to 2020. Suddenly, not a year removed from grave concerns about election security expressed by leading Democrat presidential candidates Warren and Klobuchar, such claims of illegitimacy, and integrity of elections were an alleged to be an assault on our very way of life. Never mind proving it, the outrage started at suggesting it was an issue, as if 2015-2019 never occurred. The way I see it, some of the loudest lamenters of civility were 100% comfortable with claims of illegitimate elections, treason and the like until the spotlight shone their way. It's ugly and unfortunate that politics plays out like this, but you probably should have had the sense to look into the future when you bought into Russiagate that it was not an if, just a when it would happen. At this point, Trump's claims of a stolen election are no more, no less of an issue than Russiagate was to me. That you lack the ability to understand why some of us view things that way is really of no consequence, especially since I can't for the life of me understand how people could be dumb enough to buy into the entire Russia premise to begin with. Personally, I wish Trump had not held the rally on 1/6. I think the people who acted criminally should be charged appropriately. I understand why the officer shot and killed an unarmed woman, and bet he feels horrible that he killed her. I support the police officers assaulted (I feel that way generally, even when they're out in America with liberals trashing them). I wish Stop the Steal wasn't a thing. I wish the dems had not launched an all-out assault on the legitimacy of the 2016 election and it's impact on my vote. I wish we were all smart enough to know that if political party A found success with a concept, Political Party B was soon to follow, and probably supersize it. But, here we are. Come November, if there's a red wave, we can most def look forward to impeachment, unfounded and usually unproven allegations against a Dem, and more than a few eggs cracked along the way. Look for an attempt to destroy Biden for his China connections, Hunter as collateral damage, and Merrick Garland. All will ultimately probably be ok. By the way, when serious claims of criminal behavior against DJT are brought through the appropriate channels, I'm happy to revisit this with you in detail.

That's what you pulled out of the post? Delightful. Dude, I had to find a word that rhymed with 'cried'.

https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/liz-warren-we-need-to-shut-down-pregnancy-crisis-centers/ Zealot, Andy?

You have an inclination toward hyperbole, I'll say that. Still, you've really said nothing at all here of substance beyond the indication you know exactly how future...uh...history books will be written. In that regard, you would be excellent on a political committee of this nature. Now, since you know, don't keep us in the dark: What criminal charges will be filed against Trump tying him directly to rioters, and/or criminal organizations on 1/6? What will the outcome of his trial(s) look like? Will he serve jail time, and if so, for how long? For what it's worth, if I'm blessed with grandchildren one day, I would simply advise them that the following, common sense guideline to understanding the political element of the US goes like this: Consider the agenda of the person/people asking you to believe in them; Consider your own agenda, what's in your best interest, and start out with a heavy dose of cynicism; Remember there are typically three sides to every story, and the truth can be the hardest side to find; Consider the history of those telling their story, and their relative trustworthiness and credibility; Remember that throughout history, many people have believed many things that turned out to be completely false or grossly misrepresented; Finally, my favorite: Everyone with more than a passing interest in politics knows that blind and absolute faith in what politicians say or do is a recipe for disaster. The number of times officials in government have lied to the people is impossible to know, but it's substantial. However, when a new shiny penny catches the eye of the general public, many people forget what they always knew, rush in foolishly, certain that 'their guy' is beyond reproach, and end up looking foolish. Don't be foolish. I feel like that was covered when Mueller lied and people cried.

For every religious zealot, there is an abortion zealot—-taxpayer-funded, on demand, up through birth and in some cases beyond. We have to recognize this reality, and it’s nothing new. The opportunity exists to deal with the issue on a national level at this time. Of course, it’s existed since R v W was decided. The common narrative is that the concept of option to abort is very popular societally, and I believe that to be true. The only question for non-zealots is “to what point”. There will never be a solution to suit all situations, and in the case of “abortion until ———— except in cases of ——-“ people will still seek out services in violation of the rules. It’s the nature of people. As for borders and underground railroads, perhaps you should turn the lights on. We have between 12,000,000 and 22,000,000 people in the country that have crossed borders in violation of laws and regulation. You and I could agree to meet at the Applebees in Des Moines a week from Tuesday, start at our respective locations and have no issues in travel between here and there. Is it true that some extreme politician might author legislation that would impact that freedom? Yes, of course. Power corrupts. People are crazy. Time will tell, but handwringing about a country that resembles the United States pre-1861 seems quite extreme and frankly, disrespectful to the memories of the people who lived through that madness. In the meantime, my suggestion about those willing to bring time, effort and money to assist those in need seems the best alternative during these turbulent political times.

Your gotcha, everybody cares about the committee, is that Cheney, a member of the committee, is speaking during a committee hearing? Here’s a question. Why all the pussyfooting around here? Cheney The Lesser made a declaration, understanding of course, she has no obligation to be transparent or truthful; That declaration is that Trump tried to call someone; That declaration is that person told them lawyer; That declaration included verbiage that a referral was made to DOJ; At that point, Cheney The Lesser, stops talking about Trump and says quite specifically that the committee takes attempts to influence witnesses seriously. Is that breaking or a blockbuster declaration? Why didn’t she accuse Trump of witness tampering, obstruction etc? For the 15th time, why the cloak and dagger on this issue? Once again, inferences and allegations but when push comes to shove, it’s yet another version of Trump throwing catsup against the wall.

Someone is always suffering, Goose, with govt sitting idly by. There’s no massive movement afoot to arrange travel or provide taxpayer funded support to people with serious illness—breast cancer, heart disease, diabetes— struggling to survive. It seems logical that in a country with considerable wealth, with all the support that the pro-choice folks have, grassroots organizations sponsored by wealthy benefactors and private donations could take a substantial bite out of costs of travel and treatment.