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we are in PPP, so i can say..You're an idiot. Great show

People can’t say goodbye to their loved ones cause the “state”’says they can’t. Not quite sure why cause we are now told cloth masks stops the transmission of the virus, but somehow a n95 mask ain’t gunna stop it in a hospital room. A grand total of 31 deaths to age 15 and under. Care to guess how many die of flu every year? WTF, let’s just shelter out kids in place till they turn 21 cause , damn, some may get sick, some may get hit by a car, some may die if they are not out in a bubble. 31 kids and our entire school system shut down, camps shut down, etc. and lord knows how many kids are now malnourished , not vaccinated ( according to CDC, vaccinations down almost 40%) and getting abused with no adult to turn to. Just by comparison, 37 deaths is the LOWEST number of pediatric flu deaths since 2004, when they first started tracking. start freaking thinking and stop being triggered by the word Covid. You and your ilk have blood on your hands when it comes to the devastation being wrought on the children of this country, how you sleep at night is beside me.

@Hapless Bills Fan, (have no idead why in bold, not intentional but will not come off) First, i learned something here , and that is morbidity is not the same as mortality, so thank you for that. I was certainly wrong in the usage. According to most and where the attached CDC starts the US has most likely had the Virus on our shores since February at least, so almost 5 months of data. Now, according to this chart from the CDC. deaths from Covid are 103,339.( week behind I believe) Deaths under the age of 64 is 19, 913..or 20%. If we take that down to 54 and under,it becomes 7606, .07 %(7606). If we take it down further to the age of NFL players, 44 years old and under (included for TB12) it becomes 2606, less than 2% of Covid deaths. https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisional-COVID-19-Death-Counts-by-Sex-Age-and-S/9bhg-hcku/data Now , let’s look at the population of the US of the age groups. https://www.statista.com/statistics/241488/population-of-the-us-by-sex-and-age/ 64 and Under Apx 250 M, Over 64 appx 50M So then to extrapolate some numbers …. out of 250M people, 19,913 have died so far from Covid 64 years and under..so less than 1/10th of 1% of the population. I think that’s right but maybe someone better at math can correct me if wrong. Lord knows what that number for the under 54 set, and truly what it gets to under 44, its a statistical blip. Even taken in the context of deaths as a percentage of cases( will use 2.1M) deaths under 54 equal 3/10 of 1%, or .003. Let’s not even get into the fact that therapies are better and treatment regimes are most likely leading to even less deaths, and as the new tests contain greater numbers of young people we can see from the last 5 months those percentage should go down even further. So this is why I the popular term “ panic Porn” has emerged. It is a statistical blip if I am 64 or under that I will die from Corona Virus, even if I get the virus. And yet your original statement is that 50% of Americans of all ages are in high risk categories. The numbers , I am pretty sure, just do not prove that. What am I missing here for people under 64...even with comorbidities? Why should i be worried about a bunch of 35 and under people who are in great shape playing, and possibly getting the virus. Might one of them succumb to the virus and pass? Could happen, just as they could die from any number of ailments. And BTW, i think we can accept the WHO data is not be trusted , prefer we do not use them as a source of record for anything

yea, its not in that article, but where do you draw the line? OKay to ask "have you been to any religious services?" ..hard to know the right answers I am ever so hopeful that being outdoors was a real detriment to the spread...good for so many reasons.

https://www.thecity.nyc/coronavirus/2020/6/14/21290963/nyc-covid-19-trackers-skipping-floyd-protest-questions-even-amid-fears-of-new-wave BTW, i don't think the rates will spike, and i am thrilled about that. As mentioned, while i personally did not participate in any protests, my kids attended several here in Richmond and i highly encouraged their participation.

Not saying all of it can be explained away by that, but i certainly think it can play a role. And yes,hospitalizations and deaths certainly followed case counts before, but my counter to that would be only the very sick were getting tests , and the most vulnerable to the virus. If these positive cases are skewing younger and more asymptomatic, does it not logically follow that while we will see a rise in both, it may not be at the same rate as even a month ago?

and the ones where it looks like 30% are in masks...depends what picture , and who took it. I am all in on the protests and that wearing a mask, as I have stated been wearing one indoors since late March. But i also understand the opposing point of view. It is funny how NYC contact tracers are not allowed to ask if one has attended any demonstrations..

I agree science can evolve, but "science" can come to different conclusions.

if that is the case, we should be seeing an explosion in cases based of the demonstrations.

It is indeed tragic, and ones heart goes out to the family. But this is also in the same paper https://buffalonews.com/2020/06/18/buffalo-niagara-regions-private-sector-jobs-fall-21/ Certainly the best news would be for cases going down, no doubt, and these numbers are troubling. Having said that..i know you dismissed this yesterday but if i understand contact tracing correctly, if it is being done in Florida..we will continue to see higher cases and higher positives based on contact tracing working...am i missing something there? Certainly i have no insight into these numbers you are reporting..but are they concentrated again in the migrant farming community? Mostly younger people ? How many asymptomatic? So much more data needed that just positive test numbers

not sure your point...calls only for masks when you will be in sustained contact with someone and will be within 6 feet of them for that sustained period of time. To be clear, i have been wearing a mask since mid March. But the science of mask wearing is not cut and dried..for example wearing them outside seems to make zero sense. Wearing them in a store seems to make little sense based on this article, wearing them anywhere where you will not be in close contact for a sustained period of time seems to make little sense. Am i reading that wrong?

just saying... https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2006372?fbclid=IwAR1EoJkVn0xxmfBb6RNhasEb2XXM6E2Lr-p7YOMrvMFl9iMBwKPQLl96lIo I mean it is the New England Journal Of Medicine...

all i can report is that they enjoyed @mead107 wife much more than Mead...not a hard thing to believe if you have ever met Mead

kinda like Anchor Bar...myth greater than the reality( I kid, i kid) . Every guest i take to tailgate says best part of day was having breakfast stromboli and @mead107 wife. Hmm does that sound bad?

@Hapless Bills Fan Will do my best to answer your here. First, i do not buy the argument that half of the US population carries higher risk factors and much higher risk of bad outcomes . I dont buy that, and think it highlights what many have dubbed "panic porn". If that were the case, ;logically would not young people with those conditions be dying at the same rate as older people? This has been proven to be much more fatal to older folks with one or more comorbidity factors...you would have to show me the numbers to convince me young and old affected the same , i have not seen numbers like that and have no idea where i could find them. 2nd. Not quite sure what your point is on #2 . If your thesis is that because 50% have high risk factors , we should continue with lockdown and only keep essential services open? Things like grocery stores, pharmacies, hospitals, Walmart etc? If that is the case, one has to assume a good portion of those folks work in grocery stores, work picking up trash, work cleaning hospitals, provising personal care to the elderly..in other words people who are doing "essential" jobs now..make up 50% of those jobs as well. We also know minorities make up a higher portion of those jobs, so i would say that even higher than 50% rhigh risk factor make up those jobs now. We know minority is truly a high risk factor due to more crowded living conditions and more multi generational housing. So, I will ask you how have those people getting those services/goods now? Is it okay for higher risks groups to continue to work and continue to place their families at risk while the rest of us stay home and get paid, order Grubhub, order Amazon everyday, go to Lowes cause I need to get my garden in, protest in groups of hundreds of thousands? Is it okay to continue to have migrant farm workers and hispanic workers at meat plants work as cases in those environments spike like crazy? If so, please tell me why? My answer is those with true , proven, high risk factors are guaranteed pay through we get a vaccine or very extremly effective therpy, and a guaranteed job upon return. If you have an elder in your home with comorbidity factors, they need to be self isolated as muchas possible and those families are giving the absolute top notch PPE that prevents transmission No response or rebuttal @Hapless Bills Fan, promised me as much more than 24 hours ago.

so could this not be the case? And it may not, and these case spike worry me, but here goes Contact tracing has expanded..so now a positive test triggers many more tests of those in close proximity...so even asymptomatic people who 4 weeks ago would never see a test are getting tested now and proving positive. Asymptomatic still , but positive. I thought thought that was what was happening in Florida. Migrant farm worker test positive, even though asymptomatic, every one who has contact with that person is then tested, and they test positive as well. 95% asymptomatic(guess on my part)... I think the real test is ICU and deaths in the next 7-10 days in these hot spots, and 3 weeks out from the rally in Tulsa.

Man, i played 9 early afternoon..started Par-Birdie-Par---ended 44..i suck! Damn, nailed it on "good press conferences= better response'...amazing how gullible people really are ...and that goes both ways in my book. Trump and his admin are open for criticism too, but damn good in front of the camera means so much more than results its crazy. I playes sports through college, love sports now, I have been in sales my whole life..whats great about both is the only thing that really matter is results...

i honestly don't think so, two different environments, may have two different outcomes. I am all for the rally for political reasons..protests okay (basically rallies for the left) Trump should be able to have his. Kicker for me is the scientific experiment that comes along as a bonus.

i am all in..today!

you get the difference between "inside" and "outside" no?

not 18K people at an event..and I may add 18K following the example of their idol and not wearing masks. Let the experiment begin!

really is a win win here for the country no? I mean i love the scientific experiment that will be this rally. What a great way to see if indoor events are safe. And 18K people have willingly signed up for it! If no one gets sick...we can open up even more and most likely be at Bills games in September. People get sick, Trump looks like even more of an idiot, and loses steam in the election. Wion Win!

whats the worry? If ya go, you have to agree that contact trace...why is that a big deal?

I would think there is significant contact tracing at this event..and if not proves Trump does not believe in what he says. Contact trace everyone, see what happens. Seems like a huge risk to Trump, if he is willing to take it , as are attendees..i say go for it!

ya know, i have not watched the clip yet. Having said that, this guy i thought was 1) Floridiot, 2) Covidiot. Now, i want him as my President. Funny what 3 months can do BTW, i am 57 and have wanderlust...no desire to go to India. I know prolly zenophobic, just no desire