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I am not saying every country that implemented "social distancing" ( i say lockdown) is a dictatorship, but stripping away individual freedoms and relaying on non scientific data( case counts and CFR and IFR in red states vs blue) to make policy leads to an enemy that is just not there.. The lock downs, masks , school decisions, governemnt wlefare became exactly what you said, political decisions that were over reactions to a president so many disliked and despised,including me. If you doubt me,look at the sheer millions of posts of twitter saying " I don't care whether wearing a mask is effective or not, i will wear it just so people don't think i am conservative or MAGA. You don't think that is an over reaction and politicized? You dont think that kind of thinking extends beyond masks? Add to that overdoes deaths up 20%, discussion about what this lost year of in person learning will do to our children, violent crime up dramatically in our cities, inflation running rampant, asset inflation that is only widening the wealth gap in this country based on policy decisions that do not reflect the reality of whats happening in the country.. ...and it all adds up to way more than " wear a mask and go about your daily life".

First, the CDC itself said that IT IS black and white...you vaccinated, no need to mask or social distance. There is no ambivalence there, no suggestions..just black and white directions! Second Fauci suggested normal that would take place in years time..and that was his guidance. So the country at standstill for another year while the CDC said move forward FOUR , yes FOUR days later. Cautious might have been "i see us back to normal Memorial Day..or really cautious July 4""...no he said a year later!!!! Listen, i can tell you ,like many others, are left in a conundrum here. You placed your blind faith in Fauci as infallible,you placed your blind faith that once Biden was elected, the CDC would only follow the science, as you suspected the CDC was politicized under Trump...and now? well now both of those cannot be true based on the events of the last week... You can argue all you want Fauci and the CDC are on the same page...it is ridiculous to say 4 days and 1 year are equivalent... and as i say just proves you are not willing to look at facts and utilize critical thinking to make a conclusion or criticism .

This thread is about Fauci. He said a week ago today we might be approaching something close to normal in a years time. 4 days later CDC said go back to normal. if you think they are singing from the same songbook, God bless. I think any rational , logical , person would say one of them has to be making a big mistake. I am not sure why or how you can draw any other conclusion. if he is this far off on his predictions and how he views the state of the pandemic , why should his voice carry any credence? or if he does carry Credence and the CDC made a decision beard in politics, why in the world would I ever trust them? one of them Is flat out wrong. Why they are both sacred cows and you are scared to criticize one or the other tells me this whole thing is just about politics to you, and critical thinking has left the building.

“ Close to normal in a year” and if you are vaccinated go back to your normal life with no masks except in planes, healthcare settings etc less than 4 days later” mean the same thing to you?

Well, if he thinks it’s gunna take a year to get back to normal, and the CDC comes out 4 days later and says go back to normal now... do you think that lends to credibility? I mean, everyone says follow what DR Fauci says.. so is he completely clueless or is the CDC completely clueless. based on the Mother’s Day quote, one of them has to be.

Fauci on Mother’s day ” maybe by next Mother’s Day we can be as back as close to normal as possible” https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxnews.com/health/mothers-day-2022-fauci-country-normal-coronavirus.amp CDC 4 days later.... yes a whole freaking 4 days later, in other words less than a week later. . all things can get back to normal starting NOW! hmm, and this is the guy we should be taking guidance from ? been a fraud from the start, His reluctance to relinquish his 15 minutes have devastated this country

Wow. Not having the ability to worship together ,to be present at the death of a loved one to comfort them as they journey to the next stage,to celebrate the beginning a new life at childbirth or a new marriage union, to break bread with my fellow human beings in a restaurant, not being able to gather at sporting events to celebrate our collective communities. I have two college students that have basically missed 1/2 of their college experience , therefore all the personal growth that comes from that, to a virus that statistically kills less college aged student than alcohol overdoses. But it’s great you wore a mask and feel your life did not change.I mean after all, that’s what really matters eh? Your life was not affected, screw the people who’s entire lives were disrupted or who could not say goodbye to loved one. The CDC, therefore government , knew more than a year ago this was airborne. They know that meant cloth masks and distancing were useless, just making people feel better about the useless guindance they had given in the first month of the pandemic , all based on influenza. As we know, this was no flu. They knew 2 feet, 6 feet, twenty feet, none of it mattered, it was airborne. They know aerosols are only stopped by a n95 mask, yet they doubled and tripled down on that useless guidance to make folks have a false sense of security. They knew it did not transmit outside, that’s why they did not stop the protests. But they did not have the will nor the political fortitude to completely stop the spread and shut everything down, they doubled down on awful guidelines to appease the masses and let everyone feel they were sacrificing for the greater good. “ “ hey, I mask up, I stand 6 feet way, I am a good person and doing my part”. and it worked to a tee. Tell some one a lie often enough and have the right sources shout it enough, even when the facts stare them in the face and tell them Otherwise , and they will believe. And it’s human nature to want to believe , to “‘do your part” I get it. It’s also political nature to gain as mush control as possible, by any means necessary. Let this sink in. ‘We are not ready for people to be free this quick”. in the GD US of A. Not ready for people to be free this quick. Wow, and so many people agree with that statement. There is a very good series on the PBS Doc channel on Amazon. Called The Dictator’s Platbook. . Details the rise and fall of 8 or so dictators in separate episodes, and the commonalities of their reigns. All of them have one thing in common...Control of the message around a common enemy. and convincing their governed that what they were going through was for the collective good and to defeat this ENEMY. Their government was there to protect and advance. Our leaders are just using Covid instead of another nation. you should watch it, may open your eyes to what we have experienced the last 16 months.. from both parties mind you.

Anyone ever question why we were locked up https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/05/14/cdc-mask-update-decision-confusion/

Ya know @Augie, my "supervision" is key to keeping the actual wing master on task! I am pretty sure when yiur lovely wife lines up for wings post game, she will get all she desires and more. I am also pretty sure it is " no wings for you" when you pony up to the fryer!

So, I’m guessing runaway inflation, crisis at the border, kids in cages, war in the Middle East, gas shortages and gas prices rocketing, businesses and state governments screaming for an end to govt welfare had ZERO to do with the EPIC shift in CDC guidance this afternoon! And less than 48 hours after impending doom lady made an impassioned plea why kids HAD to wear masks outdoors all summer long at camps, vaccine or no vaccine!!!!!!! Good golly, that is some outstanding reverence for the scientific method! Trust the science!!!! Good news to distract from everything else. Gotta love politics/err science!

i say let it all play out...still a solid 3 months till logistics really need to nailed to give all parties time to adjust.

In my best Muchkin singing voice "Ding *****... the Covids dead, the mean ole Covids dead"""

sorry to hear about your Mom...may she get well! Rhink we need to do a practice tailgate maybe sometime late June just to make sure we know how to do it

RV? How are you my friend! Pittsburgh on a Sunday night seems like a lifetime agao!

He too stubborn to take my A+ Advice

No one likes @Chef Jim, especially himself, and he understands why and agrees with it!😆! All he does is tell us our opinions and food suck!

you do know you are not invited correct?

$2 for a Pro Bowlers Association...membership? You getting looney in your old age?

if you in, i out!

Here is what i do know..neither you nor @BillStime can answer a simple freaking question or support your position on masks . If masks usage is shown to be at 90% since August/September time frame, as those two studies from a a left leaning organisation and a center organization state...why the surge? But i am sure i will get some kind of insult back instead of clear and logical thinking..

you have @TBBills give you your talking points, as obviously neither one of you can think on your own.

TY for proving my point. I link studies, you call then my opinion. Perfect. FREAKING INTELLECTUAL IDIOT!!!!!!

you are so funny, cant defend your takes at ALL..and you wonder why people like me, who vehemently disagree politically with most of the posters who left here politically, find them more intelligent and intellectually honest... cause all you can do is attack me and not defend your position. Does that not make you think maybe your position is indefensible?

and again, as an intellectual misfit, you cant defend a single thing . I have worn a mask since mid March...mask usage above 90% as evidenced by most studies You idiots who want to make it political instead of science based...mask usage is through the roof, and has been since September We need to understand why this thing is ripping through vulnerable communities despite 90 % mask compliance and killing thousands of people, and all you can think of is how can we blame the GOP people and get the people we want elected, science be damned. Party is the governing principle, not lives! Blood and death is on your hands, own it. Politics is more more important to you than lives

perfect, please keep posting these..shows how truly freaking dumb you are that you cannot defend or argue your position vis-a vis mask compliance and the spread of the virus. Thank you kind sir for proving my point that only dolts are blaming the speared on mask compliance when mask compliance is over 90%!