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From all accounts, the new Holy Father RAN from Nazi ideology every chance he got, either by joining a seminary or deserting the military. Maybe its blind faith by me, but I doubt someone who had the cajones to desert from the NAZIS in 1944 Germany really was "indocrinated" with their ideology.

Looks legit to me. The full rules look correct.

Exactly. It appears that the Holy Father (weird) was anything BUT a willing participant in the Nazi Party. But what scares me is that there will be many in the world that will use this to further cast hatred towards the Catholic Church. And, of course, there is the 'stinkin' hypocrite' angle. That is..many people who always say "dont paint all people of a certain type with the same brush" will be the same who do just that in this case.

Come on...everyone knows that five minute security check at the airport is a gross infringement of our rights!

Well, I dont think its a "failing" that the Church as specific roles for women and men. They are a religion, not an employer. On the latter point, youre still misunderstanding me. Im not discussion RCC failings in a vacuum here. My point since Day One has been to show how the comparisons of RCC policies and the pressures they are under to change to other religions and the pressures they are under to change are unfair. Therefore, I cannot remove the "look at them" from my argument and still have it hold water. Just to be clear here....I am not "validating" anything or trying to minimize what the RCC is doing by comparing it to other religions. My sole point in comparison is to point out the need for all religions to be judged equally when it comes to this topic.

Ah, bull sh--. All Ive said is that if were going to demand reform, and sometimes rightfully so, from ONE religion, we must demand reform from all of them. Because when it comes to issues of social justice, they ALL have issues. And I want them all judged on a level playing field. If you want to demonize me for something as simple as that, knock yourself out.

Ive stated TWICE in this thread that I acknowledge the RCC has its issues. Im not going to do it again. If you cannot read an entire thread before coming up with your condascending holier-than-thou retorts, thats not my problem. And WHO says they are "wrong". YOU? NOW? And define "wrong". The fact that only men can be Priests? Lets hear it. This thread is not about what the RCC does and how its percieved by itself. Its about how the media and the general public perceives it. SLIGHT difference, there. Are you reading ANYTHING Im writing? Doesnt appear so. Becuase this is the THIRD time in this thread (Yer Out!!!) that you either ignored or mis-read my comments. I said "Compared to many sects in other religions, Catholic women are treated like royalty, and social policies are, dare I say, progressive. " CERTAIN sects. Parts of a whole, not the entire thing. So many have changed. Many have not. Go ask a Hassidic Jewish woman how "things have changed". Or a Burqua wearing woman in Medina. Ask her how its going these days. This is my point....social issues and how religions sometimes relate to them span the entrie religious community, not just the RCC. So its unfair for the RCC to be held to a standard others are not.

And Im saying that it would be good...BETTER if all religions updated its roles for women. Its not "hollow" to say that "other people are worse" when its being used in the context of who is being pushed to change its ways and who is not. Youve got a cop on the streetcorner. One guy is jaywalking. The other is mugging somebody. You going to tell me its proper to walk up to the cop and just point out the guy crossing in the middle of the block? And its not "hollow" to say "we will change when you do" when a double standard exists. You going to tell me its proper for the neighbor who throws his garbage over his fence to come to me and complain that I havent mowed my lawn in a week? Context, my boy......context. There is movment out there right now that has stated "Now that JPII is dead, the Church must embark on wholesale reforms." Given whats going on in the world, thats just not fair. And A-G-A-I-N.....this all comes with the acknowledgement that the RCC CAN BENEFIT from some reform.

Tell you what....Ill stop consider how these chickens and fish feel when vegetarians consider how those poor plants feel. Think about it..... Grown in rows of crowded fields, with only drops of water once per day. Feed with tons of terrible pesticides that nearly kill them and then went sent off to die, its done by these huge, mean, loud farm machines. Dowright inhumane, if you ask me.

So because its "modern times", the Church is required to go along with whatever whim society puts forth and must throw away its own policies and traditions? Thats BS. And even more, why is the RCC "on the clock" to alter how women are treated and deals with society? Ever see how women are treated in other religions? Compared to many sects in other religions, Catholic women are treated like royalty, and social policies are, dare I say, progressive. But for some reason, its only the RCC that must own up and make wholesale changes to "get with the times". Why? Again...this all comes wit hthe caveat that there are problems, things should change. But for me, as a Catholic, its a "we will change when YOU do" thing. My Church is being forced to do things that I dont see any other religion being forced to do. And thats not right in my book.

Easy. Sell the car, move into an apartment, get a deferment on the student loans, call the credit card companies and work out a payment plan. And get a job bartending or waiting on tables. Two of them, if need be. None of that works for you.....THEN you can declare bankruptcy.

Terrible example. First, if someone loses their gig, they most-likely will get a severance and benefits for a while to keep him/her afloat. Second, even if this person loses or does not get a severance, the bank's not going to pound on his door five minutes later to take all his/her things and throw him on the street and into the bankrupcy courts. Third, the person MAY find a new high-paying job pretty quick, especially if s/hes got the skills to have a $135K/year job in the first place. And finally, even if s/he stays out of work or only gets a $50/K year job, the person can sell that fancy house and boat and car and have to live off his/her NEW means. You make it sound like you lose your job and five minutes later youre in bankrupcy and thats far far far from the truth.

Youre kidding, right? The AP wrote a scathing article about how GWB threw out the first pitch at the Nats game last week!!!!!!!

There seems to be a movement that doesnt want the CHurch to just make some small changes...but wants it to completely rethink its entrie policy in regards to social issues. Everything from birth control, to the role of women in the Church, etc. And in some cases, people are demanding that these wholesale changes be made.

Im starting to get really pissed off at people pushing the Church to change the way it does things, now that John Paul II has passed. I fully understand the Church has problems and needs change. But there is this movement that seem to be saying "OK, hes gone. So do away with your stance on just about every social issue and re-write the books". Doesnt fly.

I didnt ask you for a clarification. I got what you meant. Now let me dumb it down for YOU: I could give a sh-- less what someone who models himself after an animal who throws sh-- and jerks off all day long thinks. And Im not the !@#$ who forgot Rule #1 of posting on message boards: Subtely doesnt work. So go dig up some more "hyperbole". SPLLLLLAAAATTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!

"Why cant we all just get along"?? Brilliant. Rollins is smarter that that.

There is no topic more full of stinky stuff that the psychoanalysis of the message board by one poster and how s/he relates to the rest of the board. The only thing more tedious is the eventual point....and there always is that evental point....that writer is smarter than everyone else and/or above the fray. SPLAAAAAAATTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No...I just think youre full of sh--. Wait...maybe thats why youre always THROWING it. Ahhhhh....NOW I get it!!!!!!

Joe...you and I and everyone else knows damn well that people yell all day long "oh, Ill just declare bankruptcy" and use it to their advantage. The bankruptcy laws as currently written are abused more often than not and needed work. My fave about this is how the Dems say the new laws hurt (suprise), EVERYONE except those EVIL WHITE MEN! "Lemmings"

I dont think your "nuclear" thing was hyperbole. Hey, dont monkeys spend all day jerking off? My buddy had a pet monkey. Damn thing wouldnt stop whacking himself.

Now THERE is a fair judge of intelligence...how someone pronounces a few words. You should throw some crap at YOURSELF for that one, Simian.

If there was ever a thread worthy of a good round of "FLIGHTSUIT FLIGHTSUIT BUSH BAD!!!! BUSH BAD!!!!!", its this one. Little light reading below for when you stop being red-faced with "outrage". http://www.newsday.com/business/ny-bzasne1...0,1601458.story

Comparing a three-five minute security check to how an entire government conducts itself and rules its populace. Now THERE is a fair comparison! " ", indeed.

Ron Mexico