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Yup, talking points already provided by the mouthpieces. Here's the summary of what happened yesterday from the paper of "record": Not a word on why DOJ dropped the charges.

One poster has been conspicuously absent from this thread. Hmm.

That's highly uncharacteristic of him. He was seeking media attention ever since he crossed the 59th st Bridge in the early '80s.

You're probably aware that he was a showman even during his "real estate development" career. That's when he realized that he's a much better carnival barker than he was a real estate developer.

You said it was an alternative view. It wasn't. It's a rehash of the old criticism of Trump's bombastic personality. Newsflash, he ain't changing. The people who are likely to vote for him stopped paying literal attention to what he says, knowing fully well that a lot of it is exaggerated.

So you guys are saying there wasn't anything new & alternative? Shocking.

Paging @Warren Zevon

Presidents are in charge of the military during a war. Governors are in primary charge of what happens in their states.

That's why an option #3 should exist if the people calling the shots are willing to accept a reasonable risk to begin a return to normalcy.

You're missing # 3, which is Did we shut down at the right time and opened up at the right time.

So you give a pass to one side for working off the same set of limited information between January and March, only because Cuomo sounds more competent when he speaks and doesn't have a life long history of extra-exuberant hyperbole? It's plainly obvious that few people in the US took the virus as seriously as they should have until early March. Yet only Trump is taken to task for his January & February comments, even though his authority didn't extend to the direct oversight of the areas that turned into the hot zones. Once again, you cannot compare the situation in early March to mid-May. There's much more available information now, there's more equipment that's available now, and most importantly, there are a lot more people who are immune now.

Those are very small pockets that all foreign powers have to hold Trump.

Now you're getting somewhere. Is it the executive's fault that proper procedures weren't followed by people on the ground? The order was there, but there was lax compliance by TSA. Same with the initial infections of the hospital staff in early March. Proper protocols weren't followed by the people who were supposed to, because nobody took the threat as seriously as they should have. So again, whose actions were more lethal?

If you weren't lazy or intellectually dishonest, you'd recognize that many people criticize Trump when it's warranted. Again, whose actions (not words) put more lives at risk - Trump's or Cuomo's?

Ask Fauci & Birx. Would it have changed anything? Would Pelosi still chide people from avoiding Chinatown? Would Diblasio still insist on March 11 that St Patty's parade be held as scheduled?

By doing what, exactly? They updated it a few days later to include UK. But get back to the original point of being lazy or intellectually dishonest by not reading the actual details?

Good thing you were here between 2008-2016 to painstakingly point out every lie that was uttered by the administration. Good thing you're as vigilant about hammering the head of the House Intel committee on his lies. Again, whose lies had a much, much greater impact on people's lives? Whose lies go to the core of damaging the entire foundation of this republic?

Lazy or intellectually dishonest? "To ensure that travelers with recent presence in the countries of the Schengen Area are screened appropriately, DHS directs that all flights to the United States carrying persons who have recently traveled from, or were otherwise present within, the countries of the Schengen Area arrive at airports where enhanced public health services and protocols have been implemented. There are twenty-six countries in the Schengen Area: Austria, Belgium, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Italy, Latvia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, the Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, and Switzerland."

Which lie had a greater effect on people's lives? Did Trump's usual overzealous braggadocio mandated that sick individuals are placed in under-equipped health facilities?

Yes it was, because many practitioners didn't accept Obamacare.

He was unaware of an executive order he signed? Talk about a double standard. Whose executive actions led to more deaths?

We are in a bizarro world when NJ opened up its state parks and golf courses before CA

Unfortunately, Seattle has seen more sunshine than NYC this spring That's why everyone rushed to the parks this weekend for the first sunny & warm day in weeks.

It's tangential to the question of what's more damaging - allowing the virus to spread more rapidly as you open up society or keep killing the economy by locking people up in their homes. We kind of know the USA's reported Wuhan mortality of 5.8%, with an estimated 0.5% "actual" rate based on the assumption that a much higher number was actually infected (at least 15% of the population). We also know what the deaths of despair (suicide, overdose, poisoning, etc) mortality rate is. There's also evidence that points to a causal relationship between economic downturns and increases in deaths of despair. So the question to answer is how bad will this thing get if you don't open up the economy? My guess is that the longer you wait the greater the toll, and it will surpass the Wuhan deaths, especially now that we have bent the curve. Goat? Fruit? Did someone say Pan-demic? Coincidence? I think not.

My understanding is that at the time, the nursing homes had to accept the patients no matter what by state decree. Which part?