dickleyjones

it is not inevitable. even literally. being "healthy for 3 straight years" (a dubious claim) has no bearing on the future at all.

In Canada we have first past the post and multiple parties, so it is definitely possible. Realistically only 3 parties (right, middle-left, left) hold any power and the third party has never held a majority, but right now the two left parties are working together as a majority. i like that they are forced to compromise to a point because they must work with each other or do nothing. FPTP is crap, but at least we have more than one party which seems makes it less terrible.

But he got better!

Just had my own run in with a firearm in Canada. It is a sad story. man very close to me was assaulted several times by his wife (who is from Texas). On one occasion, she held a gun to his head. After her arrest, that gun was found hidden in their bedroom, a prohibited weapon in Canada, smuggled across the border, with no license or anything. she faces serious charges here. I'm wondering, when one day she inevitably returns to Texas, how easy will it be for her to get another firearm? And does it seem right that she should have the privilege of owning a firearm, ever again? This is a person who has proven herself dangerous and reckless, but on paper only in Canada's eyes (unless there is a system our two countries share?).

Easy is it? It is more complicated than you pretend. Abortion to save the life of the mother was permitted by the French Medical Academy in 1852, to be revoked by the Vatican in 1895. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12335904/ In the US "Abortifacient advertising was highly effective in the United States, though apparently less so across the Atlantic. Contemporary estimates of mid-19th century abortion rates in the United States suggest between 20% and 25% of all pregnancies in the United States during that era ended in abortion." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_abortion So, it was accepted by a large amount women at that time at least. The point is, it was not "unthinkable", and it was quite common at least in the USA. 25% is a large number.

it would have been helpful if you worded the question clearly. incidentally, i'm seeing multiple examples in italy, england and north america where abortion was legal in the 1600s, depending on circumstance. it was illegal in more places, no question, that much i will agree with. France's perception and laws changed later (they started to regard it as family planning in the 1800s). if you need me to cite those examples, i will. point is, it's not accepted fact that abortion was illegal everywhere before 1920. the article i responded about says "The Bolsheviks introduced abortion in 1920 explicitly to break up families in order to make the survivors loyal only to the state. Prior to that, abortion was unthinkable. " turns out, it was accepted many places, legal in some, far from "unthinkable".

i didn't "have to" go anywhere. i merely answered your question just as you asked, and because i answered it you are posing a new challenge now?

Will Aristotle do? He wrote about the difference between lawful and unlawful abortion. he wrote about "delayed ensoulment" which described how before a certain amount of time in the womb, the unborn was not considered to be human.

spewing nonsense as if it were fact. abortion unthinkable before the 1920's? abortion has been around since ancient times. i mean, i'm ready to have a reasonable conversation and many others are as well. but when you post nonsense like this it makes it difficult to take you seriously.

Ah yes, only "the left" twists language. The constant hyperbole here is tiresome.

very good!

i did. and i agree it is odd although we aren't talking about a straightforward question. as for american outrage - i thought constant outrage was your thing. right or left, it's outrage pretty much 24/7.

ah, that was purely theoretical for those who do believe. some things we could do now to help (eg early detection of pregnancy, regular testing). others we need more research (eg genetic manipulation, uterine structure, autoimmune disease). certainly more can be done.

sometimes it is genetic, sometimes not. many (if not all) possibly avoidable ie not "meant to be". one person (me) is "the left" now? why do conversations always have to devolve this way?

not knowing they're pregnant, that's true, but if there is a miscarriage the human zygote still dies. it doesn't matter if you know or not. "meant to be" wtf is that supposed to mean? in a medical context coming from a medical professional, no less.

I think that if one believes that a human zygote is equivalent to a child, there is not nearly enough effort, considering the millions of deaths. Again, it in something on the magnitude of at least 1/4 (likely much more) of all deaths in usa each year. i mean, if the medical community really considered zygotes living children, there is no question in my mind that efforts to reduce miscarriage would be pushed hard. And those that do consider zygotes = child should also pour at least some of their efforts into that travesty. Sorry i wasn't clear.

I thought we were talking less than 8 weeks, the point was about human zygotes being equal to a child.

We will have to disagree on that.

i agree, and am definitely open to discussing things. westside wants to call me a liar and refer to me as a "cult radical" but i am not that. and of course he has zero evidence of such. i'm certainly not entreched on a "side" although i'm sure you would consider me more left than right (being canadian that's kind of the default anyways compared to usa). i think there are insane people of all political leanings.

"Natural"? What do you think that means? Plenty of miscarriages are preventable, who knows how many though since we dont put many resources into research in that area. And we also dont know how many miscarriages go unnoticed, the estimate is very high. Go ahead call it ridiculous, it just makes you sound uninformed.

Not with the urgency and resources that the other top killers do.

exactly.

even if we can't explain it - shouldn't we be working our asses off to prevent it? miscarriage accounts for 1/4 to 1/3 of all deaths in the USA every year, if human zygotes = human being.

Not nearly enough when it comes to miscarriage, no great push for it either. I mean a MAJOR push for the likely 1 million human zygotes lost in the usa alone every year. And i meant support for women during pregnancy, to minimize miscarriages. Yes mental health support is helpful and needed and that's good, but preventing miscarriage would be better. And if god is real, and human zygotes are innocent children, he is the single most prolific abortionist in existence by far. what shall be done with this scourge of humanity?

At least 10% of all pregnancies end in miscarriage. That estimate is low, many women don't realize they were pregnant and miscarried. If human zygotes = a human child, miscarriage is the #1 killer of children bar none. If i believed in god, i'd probably be pretty pissed off at him about that, who else to blame for such a colossal amount of murder and atrocity? And we should probably pour massive amounts of $$ into miscarriage research and support for women, preventing miscarriage should be a top priority.