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Actually that happened because JJ knew, like anyone that actually watch EJ Manuel play football in the NFL that he doesn't throw too far from the line of scrimmage, so he was ready to grab it and go. Let's just throw out EJ's actual performance in real life and hang our hat on our imagination of what he might be able to do. And I'm the one that is delusional …Have fun in your circle jerk.

Except my "reality" is fact based, in actual reality; Not based on one's recollection of events. http://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/players/461919/ej-manuel/#Pass%20Yards%20per%20Attempt$GameType=279588574&SeasonMax=9999&SeasonMin=1990 6.4 yards per attempt in his 4 starts in 2014 would make him the #32 QB in 2014. http://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/player-passing-yards-per-attempt-statistics/2014/

I did. Care to tell me the minute and second marker of a 20 yard out pass. I mean if it is in there. It should be pretty easy to point to it. This is the reality of teh situation; TT has been on the Bills for less than 8 month. We have video of TT making a difficult NFL QB throw in a pre season game. EJ has been on the team for 2 years and 4 months, has started 14 NFL games plus pre season games and we cannot easily find video of a difficult NFL QB pass like a 20 yard out route. We can find passes where EJ throws it to receivers in the middle of the field that are open. It isn't that EJ can't physically throw a football. It is that EJ doesn't execute well on actually throwing the football especially passes over 20 yards so far in his career. The passes tend to be either late, or behind, or lead the receivers into big hits. He tends to be gun shy on throwing a pass unless the player is wide open this may be a product of horrible coaching but it is reality. When people are confronted with a truth that they refuse to accept then they try to change the conversation. EJ does not throw the ball often more than 4 yards past or behind the line of scrimmage so far in his career. I have never seen him throw a 20 yard out in a game like the pass that TT threw in the Browns game. I don't hate EJ. I just understand reality. The reality and the legend of EJ seem to be disconnected for some.

I did find this though. http://billsmafia.com/2015/04/09/an-all-22-breakdown-of-buffalo-bills-qb-ej-manuel-does-he-have-what-it-takes/ One thing that is for sure, there are some people on this board that certainly have an imagination when it comes to EJ Manuel. More than other Bills Backers boards on the internet. Just really creative past remembrances of a plays and abilities that don't seem to be connected in realty.

That was still only within 3 yards of the Line of Scrimmage. Google didn't find a 20 yard out route, did you?

I'm not an EJ guy. I have to disagree, EJ has the "It" factor. He has the "the leader" quality. If anything more than most QBs in the NFL. He just doesn't perform well in game situations. If you put Ryan Fitzptricks brain in EJ manuel's body you would have one of the greatest QBs of all time. EJ has a history of not letting it rip. I hope that was a product of horrible coaching and he can learn to throw open receivers but EJs problems are definitely not his charisma and leadership qualities. Not at all IMO

The problem is, Try to actually find a video of EJ doing what TT is doing in that video. After 3 years, just find one highlight. I can't easily find one. The OP of the question seems to be saying that TT can't and EJ can. We have evidence of TT throwing a 20 yard out. Seriously I'd like to see one of EJ.

Wow that is in your face. I do think they're should be some motivational quotes. I've been to the Ravens and the Redskins locker rooms. The Redskins locker room looks like a freaking bunker from the coldwar. The Ravens have inspirational stuff all over the locker room. Not that it is end all be all but it doesn't hurt to have something up imo. I actually liked the "Don't confuse effort with results" quote in the fieldhouse and I used that with my team. I don't think that makes me a selfish !@#$.

Yeah I watched all the snaps this preseason. People see what they want to see. When I saw Tyrod's tight spiral in the Carolina game I thought, When was the last time I saw a release and a ball that looked so good in the air from a Bills QB. Bledsoe? I don't know. Tyrod has no problem getting the ball to the playmakers. I still see some erratic behavior from EJ. Let Tyrod start and win games and let EJ learn behind him. EJ is the kind of kid you would like your daughter to marry but I have doubts about him being able to get the ball to the Bills Madden style playmakers. I don't care where any of them were drafted or what their combine numbers were. On the field of play I like what I have seen from Tyrod the most. I'm judging all 3 QBs on what I've seen so far. If it were up to me I would start Tyrod Taylor based on performance up to this point in time. The good news out of all of this is either QB option doesn't look horrible at this point in time. So I'm pretty psyched about that. What I wish is that everyone would make a pact on this board that no matter who starts Week 1 to support them and not call for who ever is the back up after the first incomplete pass. Lets all go all in with whoever the coaches pick and not call for them to go to the bench. 10/22 for 131

4th QTR 3:56 Pass incomplete to Palmer. Off the top of my head.

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EJ consistently throws behind his receivers even when they are open. The few times he leads a Receiver he leads them right into an incoming Safety. It happened this Pre-Season, Last Season, and the Season before that. I don't see any improvement in EJ's ability to throw a covered receiver open or place the ball where a receiver can get YAC. I was impressed with Tyrod's beautiful spirals that gave his receiver a chance to Run. Harvin/Watkins/Clay/McCoy should all be YAC machines. You got to start the guy that gives the playmakers the best shot at getting YAC. Out of all the options that is not EJ, imo.

Yeah I didn't really want to open up that can off worms but since it is already open. IMO EJ= Rob Johnson (Pedigree, Physicals, Came out of Central Casting for QB) Tyrod Taylor = Flutie 2.0 (Small, Good College QB, No Respect as an actual NFL QB candidate) They're even running all those Flutie Bootlegs for Tyrod in the preseason. Maybe starting Tyrod in our first Playoff Game since Flutie was robbed of the opportunity would atone for this franchise's past sins with football gods.

Why would Tyrod Taylor throwing a beautiful spiral that was well timed on the Receivers hands and EJ throwing a wobbly pass that was late and behind the receiver help your cause for EJ to Start Week 1? EJ throwing behind his receiver is so consistent it is mind boggling. He needs to add 5 yards to wherever he thinks a receiver is going to be if he is ever going to be a starting QB in the NFL.

There is no F'in way that would matter. Whichever QB gives the team the best chance to win will start; even if they have to get paid 10,000,000 a game and start for the Jets next year in their contract. They are all in for 2015 there is no next year.

By your definition in 2012 Ryan Fitzpatrick was a "franchise QB" to be discarded 365 days later. Like I said I believe your definition of "Franchise QB" is unusually generous. It is commonly much much higher.

I think your definition of a "Franchise QB" is an outlier. Andrew Dalton is in "Top half of the league". Andy Dalton is not a "franchise QB" Alex Smith is in the "Top half of the league" Alex Smith is not a "franchise QB". Most Commonly a franchise QB is someone that is better than an "average" or "Top Half" or "middle of the pack" QB."

It's hard to draft a "franchise QB" at 32.

It doesn't matter if T-Mobile is a Franchise QB. Tyrod looks like Doug Flutie 2.0 to me. With all those boot legs. Doug Flutie got us to the last playoff game and (probably would have won it if he started! ( but lets not speak ill of the departed)) He won't be Andrew Luck but he looks like he has what it takes to win games. My definition of a "Franchise QB" is a person that allows their team to win more games than if an average QB started in their place. i.e. Bengals probably win more games with Andrew Luck(Franchise QB) over Andy Dalton (average QB) Conversely Colts probably lose more games than they have won if Andy Dalton starts over Andrew Luck. The 2015 Buffalo Bills just need Taylor to be an average starting QB.

I wouldn't exactly call it a drop. I would say that any of the Top 5 receivers probably make that catch. It was a very catchable ball if the receiver plays the ball right. That guy kinda waited for the ball to come to him instead of go attack the TD and haul it in.

That is the key here. Tyrod impressed me. I like his quick release and tight spiral. Plus he turned a -7 yard sack into a +9 yard run. Cassel would have been buried in the same situation. I don't hate any. Right now if pressed I'd roll with T-Mobile.

Bacarri Rambo will lead the team in INTs.

Coach Jeff Fisher's "Concussion awareness" program has been very successful. For some reason he only targeted the San Francisco area.

Winner. mostly because it's true.

Recipe for 11-5 Division 4-2 NFC East 3-1 AFC South 3-1 2nd Place AFC Games 1-1 (@Cheifs/Home vs Bengals) Follow along at home. If they lose AFC South games they're going to need to make it up else where.