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41 minutes ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said:
I agree he's going to win, but does he deserve it? I think this'll be an all-time weak résumé for an MVP.
Leave Lamar's stats exactly the same, but pretend his defense choked away multiple games like the Bills DEF did. If the Ravens are 11-5 at this point is Lamar even in the top 5 for MVP ?
The Ravens defense has blown leads in all of their losses, including 2 double digit ones.
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4 hours ago, Wayne Arnold said:
Interesting topic. When someone does something like Rice did, is it okay to forgive them? Are they allowed to be part of society and even recognized for past accomplishments? Or are they to be shunned by society forever?
What's wrong with having Vick in for a training camp visit?
You raise an interesting point. I’ve never done anything as bad as Rice and couldn’t imagine ever hitting a woman. But I won’t want to be judged forever by the worst moment of my life. It’s just weird to celebrate him.
also the biggest thing I hate in the world are hypocrites. It’s a huge problem in this country. A lot of people called Rice every name on the book. Yet they love a guy like Dana White (on video hitting his wife) get a pass and hangs out with the ex president at high profile events.
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There’s an old saying: Teams with OJ up on their Wall shouldn’t throw stones.
but I agree, it’s a weird move. They should honor Kyle Boller before him. Really don’t get the point of this.
also, don’t forget what a joke Goodell was at handling this. Or the Bengals drafted Mixon in the 2nd round and no one really cares.
16 minutes ago, Donuts and Doritos said:Bills making OJ honorary player of the game? 😳
He’s come back for a bunch of games.
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4 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said:
Not a PFF guy, the fact that the Browns aren’t up there is ridiculous.
But, Connor McGovern has been the key in my opinion. I loved the pickup and felt there was untapped potential there and he has been a perfect fit on the left side. His presence also helps Dion to a certain degree. Dion is having an awesome year. I thought they would out him on the right side, I was wrong there and his left side movements are very natural.
I was very much against the Torrence in the 1st round idea, but in the second it was a no brainer. I think he has played very well, obviously has had some ups and downs, but really can’t ask for more from a plug and play starter.
Whipping boy Spencer Brown has been excellent as well. Having Torrence next to him helps, but man Brown has really come around.
Morse is the anchor and playing well, his flaws in the power game are still the same, but the fact that he is probably our worst linemen at this point and his play hasn’t changed much just goes to how how much the players around him have improved.
I certainly have to give Kromer credit as well.Cleveland’s 2 starting OTs, 1st rounders and awesome, have been out most of the year. It is absolutely amazing what that coaching staff is doing right now.
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2 hours ago, Scott7975 said:
You smokin something if you rather have Davis than Flowers. Flowers is a well rounded receiver. Davis is a one trick pony with unreliable hands. Allen is also a danger to run and while different than Lamar, just as dangerous. So much so that Chargers used a double spy on Allen to keep him contained. Our WR's are stuck to like glue.
For your other post, yeah I would take Cook over Mixon all day. However their trio as a whole is way better than our trio as a whole. I would think it was closer if Diggs was having a year like in years past but he isn't. He isn't getting good separation and he is dropping a lot of balls this year that he shouldn't. I love Diggs but he is having a down year... and I mean that from a skill perspective, not a stat one.
Are you just making up arguments in your head now? Where did I say I’d rather have Davis over Flowers? I said I’d rather have Davis over washed up OBJ. But I’d rather have Diggs over Flowers.
dont get so emotional about this to just make up things. It’s a bad look.
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Just now, CincyBillsFan said:
But the 49's game was what has propelled Jackson into the lead with respect to MVP. And for the record you would have to know where the takeaways happened between the two teams to better see which QB benefited the most from the TO.
Jackson has been in the top 3 mvp odds for most of the year. That game made him the favorite.
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Just now, HappyDays said:
Allen has the 2nd lowest sack % in the entire NFL out of 33 qualifying QBs.
You guys gotta actually look at things before posting. Allen has been elite at avoiding sacks this year, and let's be honest his offensive has been improved but it is not stellar.
Haha, why can’t you give any credit to other guys on the team? Allen is absolutely amazing. But maybe Torrence was a great pick. Dawkins and Brown improved a ton. We finally got cook the ball and he showed why he was a 2nd round pick.
these guys help Allen as well. Allen isn’t Jesus (though he is very good). You act like he’s on the Panthers or playing on NE’s offense.
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7 minutes ago, HappyDays said:
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. You can't run straight backwards for 20 yards from your own 20 and expect things to turn out well. That's the kind of play Allen had to get out of his system after his first couple years. I don't blame the official there at all.
And they overcame those and smoked the “best” team on the road.
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6 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:
Yep and those short fields against SF brought to the Ravens by their D certainly helped Jackson's TD totals.
Their defense has 2 more takeaways than us all year. 2.
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4 minutes ago, dma0034 said:
I mean... every QB has bad games. I think the Jets game was his worst but seriously the Broncos? He hits Gabe Davis who can't catch it and it gets picked. The pick before the half was bad but the entire team played sloppy.
This isn't even including drops... which is the excuse everyone makes about Mahomes being average thos year
Allen and the offense were awful in the game. Our defense was the only reason that game wasn’t over at halftime (and the Broncos garbage offense).
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3 minutes ago, HappyDays said:
The Ravens defense is ranked 2nd by DVOA. Ours is ranked 12th. Their special teams is ranked 4th. Ours is ranked 18th. It is not debatable that the other two phases of the game have heavily favored Lamar over Allen.
The only reason the Bills are even in a playoff spot right now is because Allen had clutch game winning drives against the Giants, Chiefs, and Chargers. He also had clutch game winning drives against the Pats, Broncos, and Eagles, but unfortunately...
So actual numbers don’t matter. Just some random formula made up by nerds? Gotcha. Digging deep . 👍
and you’re making my point for Lamar for me (and I don’t even think he should win). If Allen and the offense didn’t suck for halves of games against the Giants, Chiefs, chargers, Pats, and Broncos, they won’t need a “game winning drive.” The defense was the only reason those game were winnable. The Ravens have stomped opponents from the jump and their defense has blown leads in their 3 losses.
I think the Bills are a really good team that are getting hot at the right time. But there were far too many inconsistent moments this year to have the MVP.
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13 minutes ago, Patrick Duffy said:
I agree with the point you're making here. Just to add pertaining to the bold, at times Allen had a clean pocket and still took off so don't know if that would help or hurt if were doing escapability?
Won’t this apply to Jackson as well? Also, for both Jackson and Allen, because they are elite playmakers, they both can hurt their o lines by taking some negative plays as well.
I never played oline (skill player 😎) and it bores me. But it is so important and everyone seems to think the Bills oline has taken a huge step forward this year which is awesome.
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7 minutes ago, Captain Hindsight said:
He has OBJ this year! Beckham has 34 catches for 532 yards. Gabe Davis for comparison has 43 catches for 752 yards.
Lamar shouldn't be MVP. He is having a good year, but not an MVP season. Josh has more passing TDs than Lamar has total. Josh also has an absurd 13 rushing TDs to Lamar's 5.
I'd argue that Allen, Mccaffrey, Hill, TJ Watt all have better cases than Lamar. JMO
Come on Captain. Read what you just posted. OBJ isn’t even as good as Davis. He’s a possession receiver who was in major decline and is coming off his 2nd major knee injury. I’d rather have better than both but in 2023, Davis is a better player than OBJ.
also, do more stat pad when they up double digits or when they are trailing? The Ravens never really are losing this year. They dominate games from the opening kickoff and normally cruise to victories.
9 minutes ago, HappyDays said:No I wouldn't. This is just something you decided to say. If Allen had 16 less TDs on the year we would be like 5-10 right now. That's the point. There is no universe where Allen scores 24 TDs and the Bills are the #1 seed. We'd all be looking ahead at the draft by now and wondering if Allen has completely lost his abilities.
So to be clear, your argument is that a QB who "didn't have to do anything" in a lot of his games is the QB? So if the Bills had had 13 games up to this point like the Cowboys game, Allen would deserve to be MVP simply by virtue of our team's record? You're all over the place.
By the way, if you're going to use PFF's rating of our OL as a testament to Allen's supporting cast, you should probably point out that they have the Ravens OL slotted one spot higher, and more importantly that their QB rankings this year have Allen #1 and Lamar #5.
Well you’re not being honest. Because 99% of fans here, myself included, would be losing our minds if Allen wasn’t the MVP favorite if we were the number 1 seed. Like Allen shouldn’t get penalized for the Dallas game because his team killed those frauds and he didn’t have to do anything,.
and this isn’t a gotcha you moment. Ravens have a slightly better o line and defense. We have better offensive weapons. It’s very close. I do think them being +10 in turnovers while we are 0 (with only 2 less takeaways) is significant to wins
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3 minutes ago, zow2 said:
I think Lamar gets more help from his defense, running game and special teams for wins. If Allen ends the season with two really good games, and no turnovers,,,and the Bills finish 11-6 I think he should get it for sure. If not Josh, I'd say McCaffrey or Tyreek... I just would not automatically give it to Lamar based on team record. He has the same number of TD's as Howell, who is now benched so Sam won't be able to keep up any longer lol
The Ravens give up 13 less yards/ game than us, 4 more sacks, and 2 less points/ game.
additionally, they only have 2 more takeaways (26-24). But the reason they are 12-3 and we are 9-6 is they are a +10 while we are even. So to the people who favor Jackson, that and the losses, are the biggest case against Allen.
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6 minutes ago, zow2 said:
The most absurd reason for Lamar being MVP and not Allen that I heard this week on TV... "Lamar would have 45 TD's by now if he called him own number by the goal line like Allen does". Ok, so now we're going to award the MVP based on reasoning like that for things that never happened?
I agree that is silly but he definitely could have half if not more of those 1 yard tds Gu’s Edwards gets. Or extra td passes if a receiver doesn’t get tackled at the one.
honestly, it’s all pretty stupid but it makes for good debate during the week. Most NFL mvps rarely win the SB the year they won the award anyways.
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3 minutes ago, HappyDays said:
I would rather have the 40 TDs Allen has given us compared to the 24 TDs Lamar has had. The thing about the Bills is that Allen's TDs can't have been scored by anyone else. He's responsible for 85.1% of our TDs scored versus Lamar who's responsible for 54.5% of theirs.
Our weapons may be a little better on the whole, although considering Diggs has not been close to elite for the past 8 weeks or so that is not a gimme. But either way the discrepancy between 40 TDs and 24 TDs is not because of the offensive supporting cast. It's because of the QBs.
I find it weird that Lamar's MVP campaign has suddenly risen so high after the 49ers game. Did people actually watch that game? He started the game by running backwards for 20 yards and giving up a dumb safety. The next several drives he missed a bunch of passes including a couple on 3rd down that ended drives. If the 49ers offense had done what they usually do it would have been a blowout at halftime. Instead the Ravens defense dominated the game and gave Lamar more than enough time to settle in.
I get that the actual MVP award has become a complete joke driven by narratives more than facts. But I'd like to think that as fans we can be smarter than that.
It’s stupid award and I don’t really care either way.
but if the situations were reversed, you be screaming for Allen to be the mvp over Lamar because he is the qb of the number 1 seed who’s team never trails. I think the Ravens have 7 wins of double digits against winning teams this year (something like that). So they have a lot of Dallas games where Allen didn’t have to do anything.
3 minutes ago, HappyDays said:Mahomes has a better MVP case than Lamar does. More total yards and TDs despite clearly having a worse offensive supporting cast (albeit a better defense). But again, the actual MVP award has become a joke.
This is the worst season of Mahomes career. That’s how high he set the bar. Plus, they have 6 losses (and counting). I agree he might have the most garbage cast of any MVP caliber qb but it is what it is.
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2 minutes ago, BananaB said:
Ravens have drafted 3 WRs in the first round in 5 years and the weapons excuse keeps getting tossed out there for mediocre play.
They traded one who has done nothing in Arizona. The other one, Bateman, got hurt a million times, and is a 3rd wr at best. Flowers is very good. They overpaid OBJ (who I said was washed in that disaster of thread we had) because they were so desperate to give him weapons who is meh.
The Bills traded a 1st for Diggs. They spent a 1st on Kincaid. They drafted Cook in the 2nd.
also, this isn’t Allen vs Lamar because I really like them both. Point is Allen’s cast isn’t as bad as it is made out to be here.
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2 hours ago, NY to VA to NV to TX to AZ said:
Totally agree with this, when does it end! I get it, he died on the field and it was medical miracle that brought him back…that is amazing. But can we please just stop. It’s like constantly having to see Taylor Swift at a Chiefs game. Time to move on. Maybe those medical personnel should get comeback players of the year, they are keeping these players on the field and healthy, of course except the Bills defense, but still they are players in the game. And look there’s Damar Hamlin, everyone remember what happened to him….oh wait look at that, there’s Taylor Swift at the Chiefs game, you know she dating that Travis Kelce…wow, she’s at the game hootin’ and hollerin’🤮 ugh, gimme a break.
I get this point but it’s too extreme. I know I got my CPR certification and a lot of others did because of this. I also know many more places are getting AEDs because of this as well. So it has made some real positive changes.
that said, he shouldn’t be comeback player of the year. Him going to all these crazy events and parties is his award.
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2 hours ago, Sierra Foothills said:
I'd like to see the people of St. Louis made whole.
They got screwed and that city should have a team.
Cali fans are not as rabid as East Coast or Midwest fans but NorCal fans are considerably more rabid than SoCal fans.
For better or worse, "deserving" has only to do with the degree to which a community is willing to force their politicians to build new multi-billion dollar venues.
Dodgers fans are notorious for arriving late and leaving early.
As someone who loves going late to games and leaving early to beat traffic, I understand this logic. Especially in LA.
dodgers and Lakers fans are as diehard as they come. LA loves those teams. The rest are only in demand if they are good. They could care less otherwise, plus there are so many transplants.
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Wait, you’re telling me that 5-9 Chargers, coming off giving up 63 points; starting Easton Stick; coached by a guy named Giff; without Keenan Allen, weren’t in demand on a Saturday night in LA??? Shocked I tell you!!!
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7 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:
Now Allens weapons are as good as Cinci's? Oh hell no. You are delusional. Diggs has played like ass this year for one. You give all this credit to Kincaid who is mostly a short yardage safety outlet in a few games yet Flowers for the Ravens is just a guy right? Cook is good but he isn't yet elite. Your bias is showing hard my guy.
I mistyped. I meant cincy’s receivers are better but I’d rather have cook than Mixon.
and I’m one of the few who isn’t biased here. I point out why other guys might have a good argument and it’s like you hate Allen (who I have repeatedly said is a top 3 qb).
your reading comprehension also sucks and you’re very sensitive. I said Flowers is a stud in another post. He still is a rookie. And Kincaid was a top 5 TE when Knox was out. He was a legit huge weapon for us.
I love the Bills and not just Allen, who is amazing. But some posters love putting down the offense to build him up. This is a top 10 group around him.
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7 minutes ago, Process said:
Is a list of MVP voters made public? I'm curious who actually votes for this. I know Emmanuel Acho is one lol.
https://mvpvoting.wordpress.com/ap-voters/
From 2020, nfl hates change so like expect a lot of the same people.
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4 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:
I think you keep trying to act like the Ravens group is garbage. They are not. Them guys are getting open all game long. Every year I have to hear about how poor Lamar has nobody to throw too. All off season I heard how they finally got him weapons and he's going to tear up the league. This year for like the first 3/4 of the year I heard how Lamar has greatly improved as a passer because of his new weapons and that's all he needed. I heard it up to the point that people started talking about him for MVP and showing his middle of the road stats. I said all along he hasn't and that it's the same Lamar and got flack. Now I got to hear again how he has no weapons? please.
Flowers is a stud. The rest are meh. I know we had a 150 page on his being our number 2 receiver, but he is not even a top 30 receiver at this point of his career. I’d rather have Davis than him (though hopefully we improve that spot next year). Gus Edwards was their 3rd string rb to start the year. And Lamar hasn’t had his best offensive weapon for the last 3 games.
Thise WRs get open because they are terrified by Lamar running. Same thing with most mobile QBs. Lamar might be the best rushing qb ever so it puts defenses in a bind.
I can post his backups stats when they played vs his. The drop off is major (losing record l, more turnovers than TDS).
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1 hour ago, finn said:
I don't think Allen is playing with a poor offense, but I don't think it's anything special compared to other teams in the top half of the league. Take the O-line. One of the reasons we all take PFF grades with a grain of salt is that they don't take into account all relevant factors, such as the QB's escability. What percentage of pass drops do we see Allen dodge missed blocks instead of taking a sack? It's so normal, we don't even notice anymore. Drop back, dodge a whiffed block, throw. Rinse and repeat. Put any but a small handful of other QBs back there and watch the PFF grades plummet.
I grant you that Cook is a real weapon, but Murray, Ty Johnson, Davis, Shakir, Knox, Sherfield, and Harty are all no more than above average. Diggs is the only "A" player besides Allen. Kincaid? A nice player with excellent potential. So, yeah, I would say Allen deserves MVP because he does more with less than any of his competitors.
Put it this way: Allen would do better than Mahomes if Allen played in KC, better than Lamar in Baltimore, Burrow in Cincinnati, Purdy in SF, Hurts in Philly, Prescott in Dallas, and certainly Tua in Miami. Flip it around and the opposite is true: None of these QBs would do as well as Allen has with the Buffalo roster.
Yeah I agree with some of your points but Mahomes would be awesome here. He’d kill to have our receiving core.
Lamar has also never played with close to a receiver like Diggs. I think him and Hurts would be good in our offense as well, though it would be way different. Agree on Tua and Purdy. I think Allen is better than Burrow but Diggs, Kincaid, and Cook are very good weapons in their own right if not as good as Cincy’s WRs (though I’d rather have Cook than the woman puncher Mixon).
2023 MVP: Lamar will win it with 15 fewer TDs than Josh Allen (end of season talk pg 75+)
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102.7 qb rating
8 wins by double digits against teams with winning records (no need to stat pad)
4,500 total yards
13-3, with all 3 losses they had leads in late.
That is an all time weak MVP resume?
I agree about the playoffs. But we have become so blind by the stats. I’d rather have Allen have Jackson’s year and limit his turnovers, which could have lead to more wins. I also know those risks make Allen great but it’s not honest to think they haven’t hurt us too.