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3 minutes ago, pennstate10 said:
I’m not sure I agree that numerous pro athletes have type I diabetes. In fact, I can only think of one—Ron Santo from the last century.
Im sure you can do a google search and come up with a few more. I doubt more than 0.1% of pro athletes have type 1 DM.
Bobby Clarke had type I diabetes, and like Santo he is in the hall of fame. https://www.rciscience.ca/100-lives/bobby-clarke
From another site: "Bobby Clarke's epic in-game nutrition: two phentermine cans of coca-cola with three spoonfuls of added sugar before the game. Half a glass of orange with added sugar between periods and a full glass after the game. He also packed chocolate bars and glucose gum in his uniform pockets."
2 minutes ago, KingBoots8 said:
Pearsall is shooting much higher on a lot of lists this week it seems.He has Troy Franklin pretty low and D'Vondre Sweat very low.
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Daniel Jeremiah's top 150 is now up:
https://www.nfl.com/news/daniel-jeremiah-s-top-150-prospects-in-the-2024-nfl-draft-class
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18 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:
He's had a great process and it is fair the 3rd down stat. I think he reminds me a bit of Joe Flacco in that I think strong running game and then ask him to make the odd throw off of play action or third and medium and he can have some success. I don't think he has Flacco's arm and it is hard to know whether he has the ability Joe had to hit to the big play when it was needed because he was just not asked to. Maybe he can. But it isn't there on tape.
Interesting comp with Flacco. I think McCarthy is significantly more mobile than Flacco ever was. Having said that, Flacco in retrospect should have been a top five pick in this draft and maybe even second overall after Matt Ryan: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2008/draft.htm. He's had a very good career overall.
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6 minutes ago, HappyDays said:
A few nuggets from Walter Football:
https://walterfootball.com/nfl-hot-press-2024-nfl-draft-week-rumors-monday.php
I can't imagine that Daniels's mom will affect his draft status. I feel like teams look at Lamar Jackson and think, yeah, it's slightly annoying, but nothing we can't handle.
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13 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:
I just can't get past that Penn State game. I get that he was hurt but they were hiding him - they would not let him throw the ball.
It's just one game, though. He had a lot of good games. Plus Michigan was built to run the ball.
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1 minute ago, BuffaloRebound said:
I think Bowers is a steal for anybody outside the top 5 and it wouldn’t surprise me if he goes before at least 1 of the big 3 WR’s
I think the Jets would be crazy not to take him. They signed Mike Williams and already have Garrett Wilson, and Bowers would put them over the top.
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21 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:
Nope I don't. I am still finishing him up (want to try and post my QB thread tonight all being well) but I have a 3rd round grade. But there are so many team with NOTHING at Quarterback. Of the six teams most commonly mocked to take a guy:
Chicago, Washington, New England, Minnesota, Denver, Vegas..... the two best Quarterbacks currently on those rosters are Brissett and Minshew. They are the only two teams of those six (Pats and Raiders) who you can even make the argument they have a bridge guy. So teams are going to reach. Because they have zero alternative.
The thing I keep reading about McCarthy is that he was off-the-charts good on third down (the money down): https://www.footballscout365.com/post/2024-nfl-draft-measuring-quarterback-clutch-ability-using-points-earned-per-play-on-3rd-and-4th-dow. NFL teams apparently really care about that stat (and rightly so, I'd argue). He also apparently had a ridiculously good pro day.
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https://wapo.st/3W9A7BM (Gift article):
’The proximity of the Giants’ selection (sixth overall) to Arizona’s fourth pick has many giving New York the edge in completing that trade.
“They aren’t playing with Daniel Jones, I can tell you that much,” a second GM said of the Giants’ incumbent. “I hear it’s McCarthy or Maye” for New York.’
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58 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:
You'd hope that the playoffs would have taught the Bills their lesson in this regard though. Get-open little guys are great in the regular season when the refs are calling penalties for interference/holding in the secondary........but you want physical WR's in January/February. Gotta' find a medium. It exists. Harry and Benjamin weren't really athletic enough. Parker had the tools but not the desire and injuries probably sapped him of his juice. Tee Higgins and DK Metcalf are giant sized WR's who have produced in the regular season and whose games have translated to even more success in the playoffs.
Don’t get me wrong - I want guys who get open AND make contested catches. I’d love to have Jefferson on the Bills, for instance. But those guys are rare.
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4 hours ago, GunnerBill said:
So I just thought I'd add to the debate about the relative strength of this WR class compared to the last five (as per @transplantbillsfan's original comparison). I have my boards to go back to so I know what I thought at the time and not with the benefit of hindsight and here it is:
2019:
0 first round grades
1 borderline 1st/2nd grade (AJ Brown)
4 second round grades
4 third round grades
Total day 1 & 2 grades: 9
2020:
3 first round grades (Jeudy, Lamb, Ruggs)
7 second round grades
8 third round grades
Total day 1 & 2 grades: 18
2021:
3 first round grades (Chase, Waddle, Smith)
5 second round grades
4 third round grades
Total day 1 & 2 grades: 12
2022:
4 first round grades (Olave, Williams, Wilson, Burks)
1 borderline 1st/2nd grade (London)
7 second round grades
5 third round grades
Total day 1 & 2 grades: 17
2023:
0 first round grades
2 borderline 1st/2nd grades (Addison, JSN)
4 second round grades
7 third round grades
Total day 1 & 2 grades: 13
And for comparison based on my current board....
2024:
4 first round grades (Harrison, Nabers, Odunze, Legette)
1 borderline 1st/2nd grade (Thomas)
5 second round grades
9 third round grades
Total day 1 & 2 grades: 19
Conclusion: Only 2020 is really comparable to me of the last five classes in terms of both high end talent and depth through the first two days. I also think both classes saw something of a drop off after that. The only two guys who made a significant impact taken after round 3 in 2020 were Gabe Davis (who was a third round grade on my board) and Darnell Mooney (who I hadn't graded). I think it is similar with this class. Sometimes you get a day 3 with lots of interesting toolsy underclassmen who haven't quite put it together or you get really productive guys who are smaller or play for small schools. I don't see much of that in this group. So I think where that leaves you is if any class is going to have a Tee Higgins and Michael Pittman out of round 2 it is this one. But they were the first two picks in round 2. I think that (first 4-5 picks of round 2) is the limit of where the Bills can reasonably expect to be and get a potential difference maker in year 1. If they wait to #60 they could get a guy who contributes this year and maybe even develops further over the next 4 years but their chances at that spot of getting a rookie difference maker.... that feels like you are in total pot luck territory.
I'd simply add that while Deebo Samuel and AJ Brown were second round picks, they cannot be viewed in isolation or only in relation to other receivers. Both SF and TN had first round picks too, and they chose, respectively, Nick Bosa and Jeffrey Simmons. Those were hardly bad decisions.
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40 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:
It's going to hurt day 3 of the draft this year and next. But it will even itself out. They are all going to come out at some point it just means we have a couple of years gap between the last lot of pre-NIL classes where underclassmen were incentivised to come out and the settled post-NIL landscape where everyone stays in school.
I think the more interesting long term question is what does it do for second and third contracts in the NFL? If the average age of players drafted goes up (it actually fell by a whole year from the year 2000 to the pandemic draft) from the c.21.5 it is now to say 23 then that means the average age for your second deal (your first big contract) goes up to 26/27.... if you sign 4 or 5 years at that age you better cash in because you probably ain't getting a second go around at making money. Whereas now players often get two big contracts.... their second at 24/25 and a third at 28/29. Does that fuel yet more contract inflation on those second deals? Or does it mean players push for shorter second deals to give them another shot? Will be interesting to keep an eye on.
Yes, precisely. It will absolutely even out over time. The other thing to consider is whether the entities paying college players will realize the sort of return they are anticipating. I’m skeptical, and that might ratchet down the NIL payments.
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10 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:
The fact that you tried to make a guy who was an All-Pro twice as a punt returner really says everything here.
If you're going to make an argument, don't reach.
We need a #1 or #2 WR... not a punt returner.
Focus on that
If you don’t remember how good Jermaine Lewis was - in an era when returns mattered — that is surprising, but whatever. (Also, kickoff returner too.) We can agree to disagree. The best ten receivers in that draft, in my opinion, were in rough order as follows:
1st: tie - Harrison (first rounder) / TO (3rd rounder)
3rd: Muhammed (second rounder)
4th: tie - Moulds (first rounder / Toomer (second rounder)
6th: tie - Keyshawn (first overall) / Joe Horn (fifth rounder)
8th: Terry Glenn (first rounder)
9th: tie - Bobby Engram (second rounder) / Eddie Kennison (first rounder)
Also, the "says everything here" line (re: a very small element of what I'm saying - that Jermaine Lewis was a good player) along with all the GIF snark isn't a great way to argue. You're too dismissive of other posters and you seem to think snarky cutdowns will somehow punctuate for others the correctness of your own views. It likely doesn't for the people you're engaging with.
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1 hour ago, transplantbillsfan said:
Okay... but I think it just solidifies my point further.
1st round
1 1 NYJ Keyshawn Johnson
1 7 NWE Terry Glenn
1 18 STL Eddie Kennison
1 19 IND Marvin Harrison HOF
1 24 BUF Eric Moulds
2nd & 3rd round
2 31 NYJ Alex Van *****
2 34 NYG Amani Toomer
2 41 SDG Bryan Still
2 43 CAR Muhsin Muhammad
2 52 CHI Bobby Engram
2 56 GNB Derrick Mayes
3 89 SFO Terrell Owens HOF
3 94 DAL Stepfret Williams
Um, not really.
1 - Keyshawn Johnson (814 receptions, 10,571 yards, 64 tds)
7 - Terry Glenn (593 receptions; 8823 yards, 14.9 career ypr)
18 - Eddie Kennison (548 receptions; 8,345 yards, 15.2 career ypr)
19 - Marvin Harrison (HOF)
24 - Eric Moulds (764 receptions, 9,995 yards, all-pro (second team) twice)
31 - Alex Van D yke (bust)
34 - Amari Toomer (668 receptions, 9,497 yards; 14.2 career ypc; huge game in the SB vs the 19-0 Pats)
41 - Bryan Still (bust)
43 - Muhsin Muhammed (860 receptions, 11,438 yards, 62 TDs)
52 - Bobby Engram (650 receptions)
56 - Derrick Mayes (bust; one decent season in Seattle in 1999)
89 - Terrell Owens (HOF)
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135 - Joe Horn (603 receptions; 8,744 yards, 14.2 ypr, 58 TDs)
153 - Jermaine Lewis (great career as a returner; 2-time all pro)
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3 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:
So give us some historically deep draft classes. I feel like you're using some revisionist history here so I'll call your bluff. The 2021 and 2020 classes were also considered deep.
Just look back at some of the narrative from the 2021 class alone:
Excerpt from The Athletic regarding the 2021 top 20 WRs in the class:
The volume of talent at receiver rivals last year’s, which set a record with 13 receivers drafted in the first two rounds. I don’t think this year’s group will break that mark. But I do believe this class will have more receivers drafted in the top three rounds than last year’s class (15).
From PFF regarding the 2021 class:
https://www.pff.com/news/draft-2021-nfl-draft-ranking-wide-receiver-prospects-lsu-jamarr-chase
The sheer depth is also incredible. For the second year in a row, several receivers will be selected in the first round, and they will be joined by a host of impact rookies taken on Day 2 and Day 3 of the draft, such is the array of talent available.
Sound familiar?
For deep WR drafts, just look at 1996. Yeah, a long time ago, but it was ridiculous.
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33 minutes ago, Prospector said:
Better than 8 schools in 6 years
True!
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1 hour ago, Beck Water said:
I'm sure we all want that, but how do your wants prove Josh peaked in 2020 and hasn't improved in any of these factors since then?
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/A/AlleJo02.htm
Case in point: Allen had the lowest sack rate in the league in 2023 and also fumbled the fewest times in his career. 7 fumbles is very low for a QB who runs as much as he does. That's a hugely important measure (sacks kill drives), but that poster isn't factoring it in because he's cherry picking stats.
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1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said:
I went Franklin because I think there is some substance to all the Franklin buzz surrounding the Bills. They have met with him a lot too. I know you can’t take everything too seriously leading up to a draft, but everything about their interest makes sense.
At 28, I think I would have leaned Mitchell rather than trade back to just be sure we got our guy and I have Mitchell graded a little higher than Franklin, although I do like Franklin too. But I tried to do the mock as the GM of each team on what I thought made the most sense to what they might really do, and if they want Franklin then while they could just take him at 28, I think a small trade back is the play for them. Even if they miss on Franklin being there, McConkey, Legette, Mitchell, etc are still on board, so one likely reaches us.
A question for you: who is most similar to Jordan Addison, who the Bills LOVED and who also proved this past season that he was worth the love? Whoever is closest to that and is within reason (i.e., not Nabers) is who I'd be betting on. It seems Franklin might be that guy.
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31 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:
It's "cherry picked to say he had a worse TD-int ratio, less yards, less YPG, less passing TDs, More INTs worse passer rating, worse QBR in every season since 2020?
I think they call that picking the whole tree my man. I'm not saying he's bad, by any stretch. He's still an elite top 2-4 QB. I'm just saying there's extremely little to show that he's actively getting better each year.It's cherry-picking if you're not going to include his running stats and the gold-standard stat (AV) used by the site you're drawing from.
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24 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:
You can try to attack my character, but that just makes it clear you've run out of arguments. The difference between me and people like you is that I back up my arguments. Do you even watch the Bills? Josh peaked in 2020 if you've been watching the games, and the stats back it up.
??? -- He literally had a higher AV (PFR's version of WAR for football and it measures against other players from THAT season) in both 2021 and 2022 than in 2020. In fact, he led the league in AV in 2021 and 2022!!! You're not including the fact that in 2021 he rushed for 763 yards and led the NFL in rushing yards per carry (6.3) that season. He rushed for 762 yards/6.1 ypc in 2022 as well. In comparison, he ran for 421 yards at 4.1 ypc in 2020. Finally, his AV in 2023 was the same as it was in 2020.
The stats you're posting here are the very definition of cherry-picked.
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16 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:
If they are doing that and actively tanking I kind of commend them. I'm not sure that is who Sean Peyton is.
Yeah, Parcells guys don't really tank. They take control of teams that have already tanked instead. If Denver goes 3-14, he's more likely to be fired than oversee a 2025 team with a great cap situation and multiple good draft picks -- especially if Russell Wilson has a decent, winning season in Pittsburgh.
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2 hours ago, Logic said:
I believe it because he fits the Bills "type" at WR.
The rumors were that they liked Addison and JSN a lot last year and did a lot of work on both guys. Now this year, we're hearing Franklin, McConkey, and Worthy.
All of these guys are smaller, faster, quicker route technician types. Just as, to some extent, John Brown, Emmanuel Sanders, and Stefon Diggs all were.
I actually don't think it's a smokescreen at all. I think the Bills brass has more or less decided that Josh seems to do better with fast guys that run good routes than with big-bodied jump ball types.
I think Franklin is a very real possibility for the Bills come draft weekend.Since Daboll starred running the show, the Bills have been a “windows” offense with regard to the passing game. The last thing they want is the next N’Keal Harry, Kelvin Benjamin, or late-career DeVonte Parker — contested catch guys that can’t separate. When they signed Emmanuel Sanders, he was coming off two seasons in a row where, he, along with Diggs, achieved the best separation rates in the league. In fact, the Bills really wanted to add Sanders in 2020 via trade, but it was not meant to be. Anyway, that trait is what Allen thrives on and what the Bills prioritize. Also, let’s face it — it’s a little bit harder to come down with contested catches in the worst-weather stadium in the league where the QB is the highest-velocity thrower in league history.
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16 minutes ago, Beast said:
Burton is off many teams boards.
https://sportsnaut.com/jermaine-burton-nfl-draft-concern/
6 schools in 8 years. No thanks.
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6 hours ago, Nextmanup said:
The ESPN piece that forms the basis of this article form the NY Post is what you really want to read if you are interested in this.
I have not read it, but apparently it's quite revealing and suggests BB is done in the league.
Here it is, and it’s good: https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/39955777/how-patriots-legend-bill-belichick-end-nfl-job
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1 hour ago, Chaos said:
If you take an objective view of the current Bills roster, other than Allen, are there any players on the current roster that justify refering to Beane as a wizard. Or is it more accurate to say the current roster, other than Allen, is kind of meh.
Other than Josh Allen, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?
NFL draft rumors 2024
in The Stadium Wall
Posted
Lots of good stuff from Albert Breer of SI: https://www.si.com/nfl/2024/04/022/takeaways-nfl-draft-latest-buzz-rumors-medicals
"• Both of LSU’s star receivers, Brian Thomas Jr. and Malik Nabers, have issues with their left shoulders. The risk here is considered relatively minimal—in both cases, there’s a chance the player may have to have the shoulder surgically repaired after the 2024 season. Bryan Bresee, the Saints’ first-round pick last year, had a similar situation with his shoulder coming into the draft last year."
Shades of Shaq Lawson in 2016?