dave mcbride
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2 minutes ago, boyst said:
What coverage are you watching?
Nfl network
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1 minute ago, Meatloaf63 said:
Am i a bad person for hoping he flops?
He is really, really good. I expect him to succeed.
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Wow, he sounds as false as Russ!!
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1 minute ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:
When he gives us a full season of greatness I'll believe it.
Fair. But the trajectory looks very promising. Regardless, I hope you agree that he was clearly the best receiver on the field in the KC playoff game. If Chris Jones doesn’t bull Dion into Josh, he gets the potentially game winning TD on a great route.
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1 hour ago, Albany,n.y. said:
JP Losman was the result of Donahoe not having the guts to offer enough to get into the top 10 and draft the QB he really wanted, Ben Roethlisberger. If Donahoe had offered enough to move up from 13, as Beane did later to move from 12 to 7, Bills history would be drastically different.
So, by including JP Losman, you are supporting trading up. NOT trading up earlier in the draft was the problem, not the panic move for Losman when Donahoe lost out on Roethlisberger.
100 percent. This is a great post because I remember that and I know the Bills loved Roethlisberger.
31 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:They have done..... nothing.
Small sample size that have done nothing. Shakir might be good. He might not be. But as of now the bills have a bottom third wr room, and the fault lies at the feet of one person.
Shakir, I think we can all agree, is now good. He was the best receiver on the field in the Bills-KC game for both teams.
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6 minutes ago, eball said:
Dave beat me to it, but the truth is that Beane has never drafted a receiver higher than the 4th round so how can anyone say he can't evaluate them!
That Shakir kid looks ok...
Thank you -- Shakir indeed looks terrific.
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1 minute ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:
Davis was his best DRAFTED receiver, and he was average, all things considered.
Can't say he evaluated Diggs who was an established veteran. It's one thing to bring in an FA. It's another to draft a dude.
Well, we're gonna find out tonight, most likely.
1 minute ago, billsfan714 said:Great drop the season totals on us.
52 catches for 673 yards on an offense that also featured Tyreek Hill and Kelce, both of whom put up huge numbers. He was actually pretty good that year although he unsurprisingly missed 2+ games due to his hamstring. I'm not gonna say he wasn't a disappointment overall, but when healthy early on he was electrifying. Turns out had some personal issues too, obviously ...
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1 minute ago, billsfan714 said:
How did he do with Mahomes, Rodgers and Goff, not exactly stiffs there.
Well, since you asked, in the 2019 postseason, he had 302 total yards in three playoff games and caught a bomb on KC's game winning drive (by beating Richard Sherman badly) that put the Chiefs in the red zone. He had 5 catches for 98 yards in the SB.
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1 minute ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:
Except at receiver
he's absolutely atrocious at evaluating receiver.
He traded for Diggs and got multiple all-pro seasons out of him! Gabe Davis had excellent production for a fourth (just look at fourth round receivers from the last decade and compare).
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4 minutes ago, billsfan714 said:
How did Sammy Watkins work out?
Not really my point.
A much, much better comp given the small distances involved in moving up is the Bills using Carolina intel in 2017 to jump to 63, just ahead of Carolina at 64, by trading 75, 149, and 156 to Atlanta. With that 63d pick, they nabbed Dion Dawkins. There are of course other examples. Kincaid, for instance.
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1 minute ago, uninja said:
I feel like this team has generally been well constructed with not a ton of whiffs or busts and the front office has been pretty shrewd in knowing when to pounce and when to stay pat or move back. Beane will be do what he feels he has to and I generally trust his instincts.
Me too.
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John Butler was a good GM and personnel evaluator both in Buffalo and SD. But he had a very bad 2000 draft, highlighted by terrible players in the first and second round. The Bills needed defensive help going into that draft, and the strong word beforehand was that the Bills absolutely loved Ahmad Plummer (CB, Ohio State) and Mike Brown (S, Nebraska). They also liked Deon Grant (S, Tennessee). Plummer went 24th overall and the Bills took Erik Flowers two picks later, at 26. Even though they had drafted Antoine Winfield in the first in 1999, Thomas Smith was gone after the 1999 season and they had no one else, really, beyond Winfield and Kenny Irvin (Punt Catcher Chris Watson was their third CB). In the second, they were desperate for a safety but stayed put and drafted a fifth round-caliber player at the 58th slot (because he's all who was left), Travares Tillman (S, Georgia Tech). They watched Mike Brown go at #39 overall and Grant at #57 overall, just before they picked Tillman (a desperation move, and Butler more or less admitted as much afterward).
Plummer had four very good seasons for SF but washed out after that because of injury, which was just bad luck. He was on a very good career trajectory and at least gave SF four good years, starting at CB right off the bat. Mike Brown played 10 seasons and was a two-time all pro for Chicago (although he had a bunch of injuries in his latter years). When healthy, he was elite. Deon Grant, despite missing his rookie season with an ACL tear, played for 11 more after that and started in over 160 games with 30 total INTs. The topper? His final game was the February 2012 SB vs NE, in which he started and had six tackles for a Giants defense that held an elite offense to only 17 points. Nice way to go out.
If the Bills had sold some assets (either 2000 or 2001 draft capital) to move up 23 and 56 (Minnesota had both 55 and 56 that year, so was presumably open to a slight trade-down to 58), that draft would have looked a whole lot different in retrospect. Maybe jumping ahead of Chicago for Mike Brown was undoable, but their later picks suggest to me that the capital would have been well spent on moving up (Corey Moore, Avion Black, Sammy Morris, Leif Larson, Drew Haddad, and Dashon Polk were the remaining picks). The thing is, Butler really did believe in those players they missed out on. Maybe Butler wasn't as aggressive as he should have been given that he was on his way out, but I doubt that -- he still wanted to field a winning team in 2000 (and to be fair, that team started out very well before injuries hit). In any event, the front office had the right instincts for the players they really wanted early on.
I think you can see where I'm going with this. Beane's MO is to not risk missing on his guy (assuming the player is within a reasonable distance) and this is the reason why. I'm not saying he HAS to move up at all; just saying that there is a potentially steep price one pays by sitting still and "letting the draft come to you." This is assuming, of course, that the player you want is someone you truly believe in, but that should be a given in any trade-up.
Anyway, food for thought.
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1 minute ago, HappyDays said:
Byron Murphy, maybe?
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1 hour ago, Mikey152 said:
A few points...
I'm not really seeing where you addressed my point about "where" players are lined up...are you talking about having an X on the LOS so another receiver can go in motion? If so, you're literally missing the entire point of my post. With two TE on the field a significant amount of the time, there is less need to line up a receiver at X when you can just have a TE do it.
Further, I think you are missing the whole point. Of course, all things being equal I would take a big fast WR with good hands and ability to separate...but those guys are almost always draft in the top 10. If they slide past that, there is usually something wrong with them. I'd take a Calvin Johnson, sure...but I don't want another Gabe Davis. In the late first round, you're going to be choosing between big fast guys with holes in their game, slot guys, and burners that lack size. Everyone I've seen on this board thinks our WR are too small and we need the big bodied X receiver like Mitchell or Leggette (or mortgage the future for Odunze) to go with Shakir and Samuel, and pretty much ignore and/or want to double dip on guys like Worthy, Franklin, Wilson, etc...all of whom were more productive in college AND better deep threats/YAC players.
Maybe you should go watch the Lions play offense. And while you're at it, tell me all about their huge X receiver...I'll wait.
Dawson Knox is a pretty mediocre receiver, though. You lose a lot when you're putting him on the field instead of a WR, particularly in playoff games that turn into shootouts when the opposing qb is Burrow or Mahomes. I think @BADOLBILZ is referring specifically to playoff football here, which is where the Bills fall apart offensively.
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5 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said:
I am fully down with trading back with washington if they have not moved up by 28. I bet they only give 40 and 78 though and buffalo would give 28 and 144
this allows them to take two wr, an O an D lineman, Corner, Running back and a kicker by the end of the weekend.
if they blow out the whole draft for 1 wr I will see it as a major bummer. If they use next years 1 I will be sick. That is insanity for a wr.
amen to that.
To be fair, if Rome Udonze gets past 10 (unlikely, in my view, but we'll see), I would have no problem using our 2025 first to move up and get him. He's going to be great, I think.
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1 minute ago, HappyDays said:
My thought process all along has been using the 2025 2nd we got in the Diggs trade to move up into the low 50s. I think that would be enough to get it done. The idea being that you use the pick we got for a WR to draft his replacement. There are like 7 WRs that are worth being picked between 28 and 55. I want two of them.
I'd save that 2025 second if possible because next year looks to be a GREAT edge draft, and they'll need one -- and presumably ammo to move up given that they have Josh freaking Allen as their qb. But I'm not averse to trading it either for the right deal.
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11 minutes ago, HappyDays said:
This has been my best case scenario all along. Trade back with Washington since they desperately need a LT, in exchange get one of their 3rds. Then double dip at WR in the 2nd, trading up from #60 if necessary to make sure we get our guy.
Trade could look something like this to match the draft value chart:
Washington receives:
#28
#128
#144
Buffalo receives:
#36
#67
Come away with something like Legette & Franklin, and still have a high 3rd round pick plus a full complement of day three picks to fill out the roster.
Good plan. If the Commanders are desperate, though, I'd drive a little harder of a bargain: I'd offer 28, 144, and 160 for 36 and 67. Moving up 8 is substantial. I'd then trade 67 and, say, 128 to move to the 50s and get the second receiver that we should be drafting. We can take Cole Bishop or D-line at 60 (depending on our plan for Justin Simmons); CB/LB at 133 and 163 (CB depth scares me; sequence depends on who is available); and developmental o-line/d-line in the sixth and 7th.
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6 minutes ago, SCBills said:
Xavier Worthy at 28 and Javon Baker on Day 2 would completely revamp our WR room.
Will we double dip? Doubt it, but we'd have a YAC monster in the slot with Samuel, inside/outside flex with Shakir, speed outside in Worthy and a big body outside recevier in Baker.
Locked up for:
2 years Shakir
3 years Samuel
4 years Baker
5 years Worthy
We have an extra second next year that I think we should use to move up in the second to get that second boundary receiver assuming we go Worthy at 28. Coleman, Baker ... both can fit that role and for all the worries about Coleman's speed, it's probably OK when you're running him other alongside blazers like Worthy (4.21) and Curtis Samuel (4.31). Plus Shakir has excellent quicks. Interesting thing about Samuel: he has not played with a good QB since the first half of the 2018 season (Cam Newton got hurt mid-season that year and was never the same). He's played with trash ever since.
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7 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:
Yeah all good dude...but the college resume stuff isn't a great counter point as the first round draft history is littered with the corpses of stud college players at big schools who flamed out in the NFL.
Hey, thats the beauty of the draft, lots of opinions and no facts (facts being NFL on field experience)...just hopes and dreams for all. Gonna be a fun night, this is one of the more exciting and interesting overall drafts in a while. Enjoy bud
Yup, I agree that is one of the more interesting ones in a while. I think that's the because the Bills are at a true inflection point, moving from phase one of the Josh Allen Bills to phase two of the Josh Allen Bills (and I think there will be three phases in the end). All elite franchise QBs who stick around get basically an entirely new team every 6-7 years. Just look at Brady/Pats, Roethlisberger/Steelers, Rogers/Packers, etc. Mahomes still has Kelce but not for much longer, and even there it's basically an entirely new group outside of Kelce. Anyway, the Bills have to nail this draft AND the post-June 1 FA landscape. I have a sneaking suspicion based on no evidence that they have a deal in place with Justin Simmons, who bizarrely hasn't been signed yet. Something is up with that. He's a really good player - second team all pro four out of the past five years! Maybe the fact that he's 30 worries teams, but he's too good to be sitting there.
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5 minutes ago, stinky finger said:
True. But what a scummy douchebag.
Sure, but probably the best player ever outside of Babe Ruth even factoring in the steroids. But yeah, the opposite of likable.
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4 minutes ago, DJB said:
Did this information come out before or after Daniel Jeremiah mocked Odunze to the Jets saying they have a lot of interest in him?Because colour me skeptical that this website had it first
To echo Happy, Campbell is good and plugged in.
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3 hours ago, Gigs said:
They peaked when they went to the SuperBowl. The Bills have shown they can turn it on and go deep with shoestring and bubblegum outside of Josh Allen, the Bengals not so much. And Glass Burrow has to show he can play more than one full season in his career.
If the Bengals' window is open, it has a 'no see um' screen in front of it
They were better in 2022 than in 2021, actually. The only difference in outcome is that they won an extremely close game vs KC in the AFCCG in January 2022 and lost an extremely close game in the AFCCG in January 2023 (on a personal foul call, of all things).
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12 hours ago, peterpan said:
Granted I’ve only see him play a few quarters, but I shocked he’s not a round 6 flyer. Michigan refused to let him throw. And he runs like a middle schooler wearing his big brothers shoes and ankle weights.
On Chris Simms’s show, he had someone on saying that there is a huge divide between casual college football fans who tend to think some version of what you say here and actual NFL teams’ views on McCarthy. Simms pointed out that he’ll come in to the league with one of the strongest arms (he clocked 61 mph at the combine, which is truly elite). He also was by far and away the top rated passer in major college ball on 3rd/4th downs over the past two seasons, which is a key analytics stat for teams. They were a run-first team so he was never really asked to throw that much, but teams apparently think quite highly of him.
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2 hours ago, Buffalo Ballin said:
I don't see how Marvin Harrison Jr. is just as great as his old man, the OG Marvin Harrison. Shaking my head. I don't get it. I have never seen the son surpassing the father WHEN the father is already top tier. The son would be lucky just to be in the same tier as his dad.
I don't care how these scouts and Youtubers are selling MHJ. I rather have Nabers, too.
Barry Bonds wants a word with you!
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Live 2024 NFL Draft thread - Round 1 (Do NOT tip the Bills pick)
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Well, Russ is probably headed for the HOF based on 9 or so great seasons. But he’s in the nfc, so not my problem!