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  1. 2 hours ago, Nihilarian said:

    Trent Edwards was recommended by the late great Bill Walsh and at first, he looked like he might be special. 

     

    Drafted by Buffalo in the third round of the 2007 NFL draft, and he came into Buffalo with JP Losman as the starter * (JP is another story entirely) Edwards started in his first season going 5-4. Marv Levy was the GM at that time and I think he Jauron got together to bring the greatest show on turf to Buffalo to make the greatest show on snow. Allow me to explain. 

     

    After the 2005 season, the owner fired GM/team president Tom Donahoe and sought out an old friend to be his new GM. Marv Levy wanted to be a head coach again so he took the job thinking he could be both GM/HC. Shortly thereafter Ralph Wilson made it very clear that Marv was only ever to be the GM and he needed to hire a HC.

     

    Marv settled on two candidates in ex-Chicago Bears HC Dick Jauron and ex-Green Bay HC Mike Sherman. After the Sherman interview, Levy stated that he blew his socks off so anyway he, later on, hired Jauron. Jauron hired ex-St Louis OC Steve Fairchild to be the new OC in Buffalo along with Perry Fewell as his DC. 

     

    Steve Fairchild was the Rams OC for three seasons under HC Mike Martz (2003-2005)and he didn't call the plays, Martz did. This is relevant because Fairchild changed the offensive playbook from Erhardt-Perkins to Air Coryell. Basically moving to a deeper passing scheme (Mike Martz's scheme) like the Rams had during their super bowl run with Dick Vermeil as the Rams HC and Martz as OC. Now if you know anything about that deep passing Martz scheme it really only worked when they had an all-pro offensive line and Marshall Faulk out of the backfield. 

     

    Back then Martz took over as the Rams HC after Vermeil retired and his passing scheme with calling deep passing plays kept getting his QBs killed. Kurt Warner hurt his hand badly and wasn't the same for a few years so Marc Bulger took a beating for a while until Martz was fired in St Louis after 2005. If you follow Martz he went to Detroit next as OC for two years, SF for one year and finally his last two years in the league as OC was for the Bears where his scheme kept getting Jay Cutler killed. 

     

    This is all relevant because Trent Edwards played in a West Coast offensive scheme in college at Stanford and wasn't familiar with an NFL deep passing scheme. So, Trent only got one season to learn that scheme from Fairchild in 2007 as Fairchild after that season to the head coaching job in college at Colorado. If you know anything about Bill Walsh's WCO it's an offense mostly predicated on a short passing scheme like an elongated handoff. 

     

    Bill Walsh's West Coast Offense differs from traditional offense by emphasizing a short, horizontal passing attack to help stretch out the defense, thus opening up options for longer running plays and longer passes that can achieve greater gains. This is kinda why Ewards was noted for being "captain check down" because that was the scheme he was used to running.  

     

    After Failchild left Buffalo the Bills then promoted the QB coach in Turk Schonert who was a backup QB for a lot of seasons before taking the job as QB coach. It is noted that the Bills switched to a WCO scheme and yet that Martz playbook was still in Buffalo. No offense to Schonert but he had no business being the Bills OC after only one season as QB coach and the team switching schemes away from what Schonert was groomed under.

     

    Anyway, that 2008 season started out magical for Buffalo in that they started the season 4-0 by beating the Seahawks, the Jags, the Raiders, and Rams.

     

    The Buffalo Bills forums went mental after those four games at that time with so many saying that Trent Edwards looked like a young Joe Montana by beating the Seahawks in the opener 34-10 with Edwards going 20 of 31 for 234 yards, 2 TD's. The next game at Jacksonville with Edwards going 20 of 25 for 239 yards, 1 TD. Beating the Raiders at home in a close game with Edwards running the game-winning drive with 4 min left, Bills win 23-24. Edwards went 24 of 39 for 279 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT. The fourth game was a win at St Louis 31-14 with Edwards going 15-25 for 197 yards 1 TD, 1 INT. 

     

    In those four games, Edwards took 11 sacks. one sack from the Seahawks. Jacksonville 3 sacks. Raiders, 3 sacks. Rams 4 sacks. In the two seasons of playing Trent Edwards had been concussed more than once by some hard hits. the big one came against Arizona in week 5. This was the hit that ruined Edwards career IMO. 

     

    Concussion protocol is different in today's game and Edwards would not have been allowed to return until he was medically cleared and perhaps even needing to sit out the rest of the season. He returned the next week against San Diego in beating the Chargers and he looked good by going 25 of 30 for 261 yards, 1 TD. In today's game that hit by Adrian Wilson would have been a huge fine and even a suspension

     

    The thing is concussions can have lingering effects and the more hits you take after a severe concussion the more it can affect you and cause complications. Edwards wasn't sacked in that Chargers game but he was sacked 2x against Miami, 5x against the Jets. As the season went on you could see Edwards wasn't the same player we all saw at the beginning of the season. 

     

    So yeah. In the end, Edwards was a Broken QB IMO. 

    I felt like it was PTSD. 

  2. 12 minutes ago, White Linen said:

    The entire football world should care about Schatz' opinion.  I mean the former spring break beach MC said we could draft a player at a different position and he'd still be the best QB on our roster.  We must heed his warnings on what we need.

     

    Head of Football Outsiders, ESPN Insider analyst. I specialize in nuanced, ice-cold NFL takes. Former Providence club DJ and spring break beach MC.

     

     

    I thought that Scotch Bingington was the Spring Break MC?

  3. On ‎3‎/‎11‎/‎2018 at 10:35 AM, ShadyBillsFan said:

    Anyone hating on Nate after his limited action, some very bad some good is being disingenuous.  

     

    A picture paints a thousand words but it is just a snapshot in time and not the whole story. 

    Honestly, I think Savior Peterman turned off many to NP here.  I know that I had a hard time liking the kid with that tool roaming around (when he wasn't in high level business meetings).  Plus, he was pretty terrible for most of his time on the field.  SD and JAX seem to be the rule so far.  Not saying he isn't and isn't going to get better than what we've seen thus far, but it's almost guaranteed he won't see the field this season, especially if the Bills move up again.   Oh, and I like CB, he's a valuable member on this board. 

     

     

  4. 2 hours ago, Blokestradamus said:

     

    I vote to oust McDermott and appoint Homer Simpson as coach.

     

    End of season meeting - "Well, you tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is; never try."

    It's worth thinking about.  He (and Lisa) made a ton of money gambling on football, so he knows the sport.  Also, I believe he had a short stint as owner of the Broncos (from Hank Scorpio), so he has that background as well.

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  5. 1 hour ago, Boatdrinks said:

    With no vet QB signed, it would seem waiting for QB scraps at 22 is unlikely to be the plan. That's what they'd do if they had say, signed a Keenum or traded for Foles. It looks like a rook plays much sooner than later, so that would probably mean a move up to at least 5. 

    Got AJ

  6. 1 hour ago, Chuck Wagon said:

    I don't buy a deal was locked up at the combine, unless Gettleman told Beane "you need to move up into the early teens and we've got a deal".

     

    The thing that angers me about not signing a vet FA option is it tanks leverage.  It's one thing if we were to sign a Bridgewater / McCarron / Bradford etc and still shop to move up in the draft.  Then we could semi-credibly tell teams "we aren't going to be destroyed on a trade, worst case we'll start this guy and take all the depth from our draft picks."  It's something else when our options are Nathan Peterman and whoever might be available at 12 in the draft.  I really want to hope we've got a deal in place for something, because watching any credible option sign elsewhere under the assumption we have enough ammo to move up without an agreement in place leaves us very open to be called on a bluff.

    Boom, AJ

  7. 29 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

     

    8th year is when the magic happens.  

     

    All of the other OC’s didn’t think of this. ????‍♂️

    Come on,  Roman and  Lynn both had some success with Tyrod under center, because they played more to his strenghts. Rico went completely the other direction, and it showed.  

  8. 20 hours ago, MJS said:

    I bet they do it to prevent people from buying them strictly for resale.

     

    Not sure why they care, though, if they are selling more tickets.

    To me it says the owners care about their own fans, and are doing what they can to prevent $100 seats from  selling for $500 on the secondary market. Secondary market prices real fans out of events all the time.  The Super Bowl is the ultimate example of this. 

     

    1 hour ago, T master said:

     

    That is total BS I bet Terry P doesn't know that if he did i would think from the type of owner he seems to be he would change that rule immediately !!

     

    If i were you i would try to get in touch with Terry or Kim some way, some how because that is just plain ignorant business on the part of the Bills !!

     

    That's like walking into a restaurant on a road trip & them saying because you don't live here & your just passing through we can't serve you !!:huh:

     

     

    Totally disagree.  I think he knows EXACTLY what this means.  It does more good than bad imho.

     

    16 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

    Turns out the policy has been in place for a couple of years now.  

     

    It makes some sense to me, especially if you think the team is on its way to some years as a championship contender.   

     

    How many of these requests do you think they get?   Maybe 100 a year?   How many are from legitimate fans who want to attend most games, and how many are from people who will be reselling?   I'd bet at least half are resellers.   So the Bills are giving up $100,000 of revenue by saying no to out of town buyers.   Half of them are serious fans, many or most of whom will find a way to circumvent the rules to get tickets - usually by just having a friend or relative buy for them.   The resellers are more likely just to move on.   In other words, the Bills will still half the tickets, and it'll only cost them about $50,000 a year to have said no.   When the Bills are winning, it means they have those unsold tickets in inventory to sell to local fans who want season tickets or even single game tickets.  

     

    This does several things:   1.  There are fewer fans of the opposing team in the stadium.   2.  The Bills are able to satisfy ticket demand in the local area, making more fans that really matter to them happy and increasing secondary market value to the Bills.   Local advertisers are more interested in marketing with the Bills the more local fans are happy.  3,  Selling locally means more kids coming to the games, and that helps build fan loyalty in the next generation.   

     

     

    Ding ding ding......

  9. 1 hour ago, GG said:

     

    Beane didn't go into details on the exact work that Guilamo's team will do for them (for obvious reasons)

     

    But this has been rehashed for years, and it's proven in other fields that analytics add another dimension to the decision making.  There's no reason it can't be applied to sports, whether it's personnel or game management.  We've had a front row seat of the massive gut-feel football failures.  Adding more analytical data certainly can't hurt.

    I agree with everything except the bolded. 

  10. Not sure what you mean here, but the below seems to imply that it was already happening:

     

    "That's why Bills GM Brandon Beane and head coach Sean McDermott made a firm commitment to further developing the analytic side of their football operation this offseason.

    Hiring Luis Guilamo, who was already working for the team as an outside consultant over the past year, was the first step. They will steadily build out a department ...."

     

    Also, why would anyone here expect Brown (Or Murph/Jones) to give them anything other than the Bill's PR view of things?  How many of you guys go out and write articles about poor decisions that were made by your senior management?  Not a great career move, imo.

  11. 2 minutes ago, Boyst62 said:

    I wouldn't say that, I would say that it was more of an adjustment to culture change. I liked the guy. 

     

    When it comes to loose lips sink ships, every bills guy I meet discusses is it just as much as the next. I also have a way to talk to people in which becomes an interview and get them to dish. It's Decades of listening to Howard Stern essentially

    What's not?

    Not sharing your dirt

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