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13 hours ago, Malazan said:
You're incorrect on all of these. None of them had been resolved. While a plea deal may have been negotiated, it's not official until it goes before the court.
And if there's no case to resolve.. then why a suspension?
What are you on about? Do you need me to link every single article of each resolution date and suspension date?
If the press has that they plead guilty to a crime, they've plead guilty. It's not they plead guilty to prosecutors and the prosecutors announce it to the press then there's some long waiting time to plead before the judge. It's done.
Even if you want to argue that there's a case where it leaks to the press first (which isn't what these reports say) - then they all came to agreements with the prosecution that became public before they were suspended. That hasn't happened with Rice.
And why suspensions come with no charges, again, has no correlation to Rice. He has been charged. It hasn't been settled. The suspension won't come until it has been settled, he's found innocent in trial, or guilty in trial. None of these things have happened yet.
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10 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:
There is also a rule called “The Taylor Swift’s boyfriend plays on my team” exemption.
I know as Bills fans some of us want to make out that there's some preferential treatment to the Chiefs in Rice's situation. That's simply not the case.
They are consistent in how they handle suspensions when it comes to Criminal Cases. @Malazan argument that they suspend before resolution of Criminal Charges is proven wrong by simple research on the cases of each player.
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3 hours ago, Malazan said:
Deshaun Watson (2022 Suspension) - Watson faced multiple civil lawsuits, but no criminal charges were filed. The NFL’s decision was based on its investigation, which preceded the resolution of most civil cases.
Alvin Kamara (2023 Suspension) - Kamara’s legal case was ongoing at the time of the suspension. The NFL’s suspension was announced in August 2023, based on its investigation rather than waiting for full legal resolution.
Chris Lammons (2023 Suspension) - Lammons faced legal proceedings that were not fully resolved at the time of the NFL’s suspension. The league acted based on its own findings.
Zay Jones (2024 Suspension) - ones was arrested in November 2023 for misdemeanor domestic battery in Florida. The charges were dropped in March 2024, but the NFL’s investigation determined that a suspension was warranted based on its findings. The suspension was announced before any further legal actions, such as civil suits, were resolved.
J.C. Jackson (2024 Suspension) - Jackson had an arrest warrant issued in Massachusetts in September 2023 for failing to appear at a court hearing related to 2021 reckless driving and speeding charges. The NFL’s suspension was based on its investigation into his overall conduct, including the 2023 warrant, and was imposed before the legal case was resolved.
Von Miller (2024 Suspension) - Miller was arrested in November 2023 for an alleged assault on his pregnant girlfriend, but no formal charges were filed by the Dallas County District Attorney’s Office. The NFL’s investigation concluded that Miller violated the policy, leading to the suspension before any further legal proceedings.
This is just factually wrong. I don't know why you end each of these with cases not being resolved when a little research on each Criminal case shows that they were indeed resolved.
Deshaun Watson: Reached settlements on 20 of 24 civil suits on 6/21/22. 3 more cases settled on 7/31/22. Suspended 6 games in August of 2022 for cases settled. Revisited by the NFL and extended to 11 games.
Alvin Kamara: Arrest on 2/6/22. Took Plea Deal pleading guilty on 7/11/23 to Misdemeanors. Suspended on 8/4/23 after case resolved.
Chris Lammons: Warrant issued for arrest on 2/16/22. Took Plea Deal pleading guilty to Misdemenors on 7/11/23. Suspended on 8/4/23 after case resolved.
Zay Jones: .... you literally say in your post that the charges were dropped in March of 2024. He was suspended on 8/23/24 after case resolved. How can you say the charges were dropped but the legal case wasn't resolved?
J.C. Jackson: Arrested on 9/25/23. Case resolved in early October 2023 after appearing in court and completing an online course for reckless driving. Suspended on 8/23/24 after case resolved.
Von Miller: Arrested on 11/30/23. Girlfriend recanted her statement of wrongdoing on Miller's part, so no charges were filed. Never a case to even resolve. Suspended in 10/2024.
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58 minutes ago, TFBillsfan said:
And yet radio silence on KC’s Rasheed Rice by the NFL!
That's because the legal process hasn't played out with Rice yet. The league doesn't hand out suspensions until after criminal charges or civil suits have been completed. Save for heinous acts caught on video (like with Ray Rice), that will have the league put you on an exempt list until things play out.
To suspend before legal matters are resolved would be to assist Prosecution or Plaintiff's attorneys by giving them an institution to point to that has already completed their own investigation and held the player responsible for the crime or allegation.
Rashee Rice's criminal matters have yet to be resolved. Justin Tucker's allegations didn't include criminal charges or a civil suit. This is also why Von Miller got suspended fairly quickly compared to others - his girlfriend didn't go forward with criminal charges or sue him.
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1 hour ago, uticaclub said:
Do you think our roster, particularly the defense, has improved enough this year compared to last year to make stops and create turnovers in the playoffs?
I am looking forward to next year and excited to see how far Josh can take us, although my expectations are tempered.
That's something we'll have to wait and see on. I do think the Defense is definitely improved, on paper. That doesn't doesn't guarantee a better performance though, especially when it comes to things like Turnovers which are often entirely situational.
But when it comes to this discussion, I didn't say "he'll make the Super Bowl this season". Just that I'm confident that unless something unforeseen occurs, he'll make a Super Bowl before he retires.
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46 minutes ago, uticaclub said:
Why do you think he’ll make one Super Bowl if he stays healthy?
If he stays healthy and plays until the age most elite QB's like him play, I have very little doubt that he'll win at least a Championship game.
He's come within inches (or 13 seconds) and was still in the game late with a poor roster just last season. Of course, I can't see the future. But I am very confident that he will at least make a Super Bowl before he retires, save for unforeseen injuries or an earlier than expected exit from the league.
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17 minutes ago, Bills!Win! said:
And we ended up with DonteI remember going into the Draft thinking we'd end up taking Michael Huff or Haloti Ngata. When Huff went 7, I was like "alright, it's gonna be Ngata then".
When the pick came in as Donte Whitner, my jaw about hit the floor. I couldn't believe it. I liked the pick of John McCargo at the time of the Trade Up. Same for Ashton Youboty in Round 3 and Ko Simpson in Round 4.
Little did I know the real victory would be in Round 5 in the form of Kyle Williams.
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There probably wasn't a time when I more actively followed College Football as it were happening and was more invested in a Draft than the 2006 NFL Draft.
It was wild then to later see most of the College Superstars from that Draft end up wearing a Bills jersey at different points in time, even if incredibly briefly in some instances, in Mario Williams, Reggie Bush, Vince Young, and Matt Leinart.
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3 hours ago, JerseyBills said:
This is real , my brother brought it up , he was at Fanatics fest
What a clown , I don't really have much else to say, hopefully someone lights him up in our first game, I'd gladly them take the 15 yards
And if anything, that's a smart strategy
That's hilarious. What do you want? Them not to cover you?
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In what's sure to be a hot take: James Cook.
His speed, vision, and elusiveness is so fun to watch.
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26 minutes ago, mushypeaches said:
He’s got to at least get to a SB. No QB since Warren Moon has made it without that criteria
I think it's a moot point, as if he plays a long career and isn't hampered by a serious injury, he'll at least make a Super Bowl. But I disagree.
If he plays for a long time and doesn't fall off a cliff early, I think he's already Hall of Fame bound. His accolades, numbers, records, and performances in games that are considered perhaps the greatest of all time alone will get him in.
It's silly to say, "well Warren Moon was the last person to get in without a Super Bowl appearance so Josh can't do it without one". His career (again, without a major injury derailing things) will easily surpass that of Warren Moon. Dan Marino appeared in a single Super Bowl, but had he not, he'd have still gotten in. And Josh is a modern day Dan Marino level QB.
I also feel pretty safe in saying Philip Rivers will make the Pro Football Hall of Fame without a Super Bowl appearance. Maybe not 1st Ballot bc of that, but he will make it in the coming years and reset the clock on that supposed qualification.
We're obviously putting the cart before the horse here and I don't like talking about such things bc I'm slightly superstitious. But, in my opinion, Josh Allen is a Future HOF'er right now with or without a Super Bowl appearance so long as he doesn't fall apart before his mid 30's.
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4 hours ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:
After reading this article in todays BN, I'm rooting for Robbins to win the job. I kind of like his story better and he may have more upside IMO
Robbins was possibly the worst Punter in the League in 2023. Camarda was picked in Round 4 of 2022 (which is like the Punter equivelant of going 1st overall). He was very good in 2022 and 2023, winning Special Teams Player of the Week honors as a Rookie and Special Teams Player of the Month in 2023. He was cut in 2024 after a new Special Teams coordinator came in and after a little bit of a slump. Most fans felt it was an odd release as after 2 solid years, they booted him after a bad month and a half.
I think Camarda is the clear favorite and the more talented Punter. His performance that led to his release was still better than Robbins' 2023. Robbins' might have a better story, but Camarda has thus far proven to be the better Punter.
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9 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:
Thought this would be a fun exercise. We all have opinions on different guys. Instead of using this thread to disagree with someone else’s list, go on record ranking the QBs how you see it as of today. Here’s mine:
1. Allen
2. Lamar
3. Burrow
4. Mahomes
5. Daniels
6. Hurts
7. Staford
8 Baker
9. Herbert
10. Dak
11. Stroud
12. Goff
13. Love
14. Nix
15. Purdy
16. Geno
17. Kyler
18. Tua
19. Darnold
20. Lawrence
21. Ward
22 Maye
23. Rodgers
24. Caleb Williams
25. Young
26. Penix
27. McCarthy
28. Fields
29. Russell Wilson
30. Richardson/Dimes
31. Flacco
32. Shough
Mahomes at 4 is crazy talk.
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I don't know. I think everyone's *interested* in how Coleman's looking and has hopes that he'll take step forwards.
But I think if there's people on this board who are expecting him to be great this year or are over hyping him, they're the minority around here. There's way more negativity surrounding Coleman than positivity.
Me, personally, I'm just in wait and see mode. I wouldn't be surprised if he took steps forward. I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't.
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28 minutes ago, NoSaint said:
ironically, I think you have it backwards. Coleman is younger but has a more measurable physical ceiling which is going to make what we need from him very hard to accomplish.
Dalton on the other hand is at a position that often takes longer to master AND for which he has high end physical traits.
it’s going to be tough to push chips in on either til we see it but dalton seems incredibly more likely to become that guy
That may be so.
It still makes essentially calling it a Pipe Dream that either can be anything more than we've seen from them in Year 1 or Year 2 of their development kind of ridiculous.
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On 6/13/2025 at 10:38 AM, FireChans said:
I would also suggest the Bills should NEVER pay a WR anything ever.
That's awkward bc we did just pay Joshua Palmer a 3 yr, 29m deal, with 18m guaranteed at signing...
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2 hours ago, HappyDays said:
The mindset should be if there's a tie or even if it's close you give the job to the rookie because the rookie has the most room for improvement. We shouldn't be afraid of mental mistakes early in the season if the rookie is learning from those moments and ultimately playing better than the vet ever could in December and January.
I completely agree with this. All things equal, it should go to the Rookie. Especially in this scenario where your Rookie is a Round 1 investment.
If you're looking at one guy who has reached their ceiling vs. another who hasn't and they're equal in a competition - you're delaying development by going with the vet.
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9 hours ago, YattaOkasan said:
Yup, I said that alone doesn’t guarantee him a spot. But I recall fewer reports of Howard with the ones (also no history with the team). Do you not agree contract plus run with the ones means more?
Considering they paid more than a million more for Howard than White, at a position considered non-premium (as opposed to White), his release was more surprising than a White cut would be. Regardless of how many reps with the 1's he had.
You keep going back to these June reps with the 1's. I think, or at least hope, there's a communication breakdown in our discussion.
If you're saying as long as he continues running with the 1's, he's safe - I'd agree. But that's not the verbage you've been using. Your implication is that it doesn't matter how he looks, he ran with the 1's in June so he's safe.
My stance is that his run with the 1's in June were at least partly circumstantial. And given his mostly negative reports combined with Hairston getting up to speed, it's possible, if not likely, that time with the 1's will reduce if not come to an end in Training Camp. As opposed to OTA's, Training Camp is when they start positional battles and really start giving the Rookies heavy play. If he continues on the path he was on in OTA's, him running with the 1's in June will not matter as heavily as you're weighing it.
9 hours ago, YattaOkasan said:Why is Dane on the practice squad not helping? he’s in the room when on the PS and he’s available for call up twice and can be signed if needed cause of injury. They are familiar with both players and made a clear preference choice over the years. Not sure why youre resisting the idea that white is ahead of Jackson cause white is running with the ones, has more guaranteed money, and both players are well known to staff? I get that it’s June and things can change but you got to admit there’s a clear preference towards white over Jackson at this time (I haven’t seen reports of Jackson doing much of anything)
6 hours ago, Brand J said:Yeah, I struggle to see a world where Dane Jackson starts over Hairston and White. Even Dorian Strong is a more promising player.
First off, Dane Jackson is only part of the equation. I personally don't believe he'll make the Roster. I think Dorian Strong will be one of those two open Roster spots outside of Benford, Hairston, and Taron.
I believe Hancock, being trained as a Cam Lewis clone, will fall under the Safety roster like Lewis did as a Backup Nickel/Safety. However, there's a scenario where they could feel he needs to focus solely on Nickel in Year 1. Which would complicate things on the CB roster as he's almost assuredly going to be here (we've never outright cut a Rookie before Round 6).
My discussion on Jackson comes down to your idea that if he looks better than Tre, it doesn't matter bc you can just put him in the Practice Squad and play Tre White. My point was if Jackson looks better than Tre, sticking him on the Practice Squad for a couple elevations doesn't help the team as we'd be only getting 2 elevations out of him while playing someone who looked worse.
I'd also add that I think Tre White could be brought back on the Practice Squad. No one was beating down the door for him this offseason. We got him for a small 2.2m guarantee. He didn't look great last season. If we were to cut him bc he didn't look great for us, I don't think anyone's going to be chomping at the bit to put him on their 53 for Week 1 cold.
There's much more at play here than Dane Jackson. There's the other Rookies, as I've discussed. There's also Ja'Marcus Ingram, who had a helluva game for us in Miami when we had to start him and is also a core Special Teamer. If Tre continues to performs poorly, any number of those players could take his place. I don't think Jackson is making it. But if Tre doesn't step up and earn his spot, I don't think it's crazy to think they feel Jackson is a safer bet as one of the last CB's.
11 hours ago, GunnerBill said:There are only two candidates to start opposite Benford. They are Hairston and White. They obviously want Hairston to win that battle. We all do. If he doesn't and Tre is healthy then Tre would play.
This was kind of a surprising post to read from you. As we've discussed CB post-Draft and I thought we agreed that White is likely to make the roster, but not a lock. Saying it's Hairston or White to Start and no other options would imply to me that he's a lock.
I don't believe it's just Hairston or White. I think it's very much more likely than not that's the case. But if Hairston isn't ready and White's struggles continue through Training Camp, I could see a scenario where something unexpected happens.
In 2022, no one thought Christian Benford would start for us Week 1 over our 1st Round Pick and Dane Jackson. But that's just what happened. Just like in 2022, we took Strong in Round 6 after taking Hairston in Round 1. If it played out the same way where our vet options didn't wow and our Round 1 Pick wasn't ready, but our Round 6 Pick wowed - I could see history repeating itself. I don't think it's likely. But it happened in 2022.
I could also foresee a scenario (again, albeit not likely) that if White and Hairston looked bad and especially if there were injuries and Jaiire Alexander was still floating out there that they may hop on the phone.
And yes, although I don't see it as likely, there is a scenario where I could see them thinking Jackson looks better than Tre at this stage and he gets the spot over him and is a bridge starter, as we've used him in the past. But only if Hairston and Strong aren't ready and Tre looks bad.
All this to say, Hairston or White is almost definitely the plan. But any number of unexpected things could happen where it's neither.
7 hours ago, Shaw66 said:First, the evaluation of who belongs on the team and who will need to be cut has only barely begun, and whatever it was that White showed on the field during OTAs is going to have very small impact on the final decision. The issue will be determined almost exclusively based on what he does in training, camp and preseason, not how good or how bad he looked during OTAs.
Yes, I completely agree. The basis of this entire discussion stems from my original post that if Tre continues on the path that the reports from OTA's have said, he may not be safe.
Of course it's early. And that's been the crux of the discussion. The guy I'm going back and forth with wants to say that since he ran with the 1's in June, it means he's safe come September. My stance is that if things were to continue looking negative for Tre through July and August - it doesn't matter where he ran in June.
And again, I want him to make the team. I want him to look better. But I think people are in their feels when it comes to Tre and want to vehemently argue anyone who even points at the possibility that they may not be a lock. If reports were coming in that he was looking good or if we didn't have such a logjam at CB, I wouldn't even be discussing it.
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7 hours ago, Doc said:
I think they let Tre' run with the 1s out of respect and to let him see for himself that he's not a 1 anymore.
I think it was more of not putting too much on Hairston too soon and also to truly test where he's at after not looking very good last season, but returning to a scheme better suited to him than LA and Baltimore.
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2 hours ago, YattaOkasan said:
They also guaranteed 2.2 mil. That alone also doesn’t mean he makes the team. But in combination with him running with the ones it starts to mean more. Heck if Dane out performs him you probably can still stash Dane on the PS and call him up for 2 games and save 1.5 mil on the cap.
And we guaranteed OJ Howard 3.2m. Didn't save him when he didn't perform well in the Offseason either...
I get it. We all love Tre. We all want to see him here. But he's not guaranteed a roster spot just bc he's Tre and we love him. Even if he runs with the 1's in June, if he continues to have consistently negative days like he did in OTA's, he's not safe. He has to earn it.
There's too much depth. There's only 2, maybe 3 roster spots if they carry an extra this year. In addition to Tre, there's 2 Draft Picks (beyond Hairston), Ja'Marcus Ingram (who is a core Special Teamer), and Dane Jackson.
They're not going to cut someone who is outperforming him with all the guys we have just out of love and respect. 2.2m isn't a safe guarantee number. And with a presumed Rookie starter (and likely at least 1, if not 2 Rookies underneath if Hancock isn't considered a Safety) - we need a vet we can count on. If it isn't Tre, Dane being on the Practice Squad doesn't help, if he's the better player.
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13 hours ago, YattaOkasan said:
Thats a good example but I think the pertinent context is that there was an injury to the preferred starter (TB).
It had nothing to do with Bernard being hurt. They were giving everyone a shot with the 1's in a completely open competition.
13 hours ago, YattaOkasan said:To note I dont think White gets the starter job but I think its more likely than not that he makes the team because hes running with the first team. I agree if he stops running with the ones then hes roster spot would be in jeopardy. But if he keeps playing poorly with the ones all through camp and gets no reps with the twos I think he makes the team. Is this your position too? If your position is its too early to know then I agree. If forced to put money down I would say he makes the team cause hes playing with the ones rather than saying hes getting cut because hes playing poorly.
20 hours ago, GunnerBill said:And of course they want Hairston to emerge as the starter. That is what we all hope happens.
My stance is, like Gunner said, they most likely want Hairston to be that #2 CB. But they don't want to overwhelm him and the other Rookies, who just got the Playbook. So they're starting Hairston out slow and putting White out there for the time being. So his being with 1's now seems more circumstantial. There's lots of guys running with 1's in June that aren't going to be Starter's. Forrest, through circumstance, ran with 1's at times and I think he's a longshot to make the team.
I also think, given how he looked last season, they also wanted to test where White is at by putting him against the toughest competition. And the results didn't seem great.
I think Training Camp and the Pre-Season are a different animal than Non-Contact June OTA's. I believe even if Tre responded better than he did in OTA's that Hairston is going to run with the 1's in August. I doubly think that given the reports of Tre's performance.
And I think when Training Camp is in full swing, it's a very real possibility that they think guys like Dorian Strong, Ja'Marcus Ingram, and/or Dane Jackson is performing better than he is for those last 2 spots on the 53 for CB.
20 hours ago, GunnerBill said:The same might happen to Tre but by all reports he had a better day yesterday.
I don't want to make it seem like I'm bashing Tre. I am rooting for him and would like to see my penciling him in on the 53 turn to ink.
But yesterday didn't seem like he was all that much better. He was in position to make a tip drill pick. But he still was getting beat.
All of this to say that I think OP's take that running with the 1's in June secures his spot on the Roster is putting the cart before the horse.
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1 hour ago, YattaOkasan said:
Can you give me an example of someone playing with the ones and then being cut? I gave you a relevant one that shows who with matters more than what.
Yes and it's funny because you mentioned him in your earlier post...
In 2023, before Terrel Bernard was formally given the job, there was an open competition for Starter at Middle Linebacker. Famously, McDermott still hadn't named a starting Middle Linebacker deep into Training Camp and openly told the press someone had to step up.
Everyone from Bernard to Dodson to Spector and Klein was given opportunities with the 1's as they searched for their starter. A.J. Klein ran with 1's in Training Camp and didn't make the roster.
It isn't uncommon anytime a position is up in the air or a Rookie is being eased in (in this case Hairston) that a veteran will run with the 1's, when the job likely won't be theirs.
I think you're putting too much stock in that right now. Especially since we haven't even gotten to Training Camp yet. If he were looking great, I'd say "yes, that's a good sign he'll make it". But that's not what's reportedly happening. If he continues to consistently have reports of "another bad day for Tre", he won't be running with the 1's for long and it's not far off from there to being lost in the numbers game.
I'm not guaranteeing he won't make it. But if things don't turn around, his running with the 1's in June isn't going to supercede his poor performance - as you suggest.
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On 6/11/2025 at 3:43 PM, Warriorspikes51 said:
dreams aren't real though sadly! Very unlikely either will make as much impact as we want IMOI think it's fair to question whether Coleman will take a step in Year 2 or Kincaid in Year 3.
But to declare the idea that they could an unreal "dream", especially Coleman after a single season, is a little much. We've seen a number of players on this team take steps or bounds forward unexpectedly.
It's a little early (again, especially in Coleman's case) to be telling people they're dreaming when it comes to them taking a leap forward.
Some players come out of the gate swinging. Some are late bloomers that take a couple years of development before the game slows down for them. Declaring a Round 1 pick is definitively who they are after 2 seasons and especially after their Rookie year is foolish.
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2 hours ago, Shaw66 said:
White thrived in Buffalo because he understood and execute the defense flawlessly, and he had first-round physical ability. If he's lost a step, he's Levi Wallace, and McDermott will be happy to him on the field, because he will help anchor the defensive backfield. I don't think he's taking a spot from either Hairston or Benford, but I think he's nearly a lock for the final 53. He's almost certainly taking Jackson's spot.
But if he's lost more than a step and that's looking like a real possibility, he may not be able to execute the Defense flawlessly. At this point, he may not even be Prime Levi Wallace or Dane Jackson.
I can't remember a time when Levi (or any other CB really) had it reported that "it wasn't a good day for them" by every reporter on a consistent, every day basis. If he's struggling that badly and it continues through Training Camp, I don't think you can say "he knows the Defense and that will get him by".
We only lost 2 CB's and brought in 5 between the Draft (Hairston, Hancock (who may or may not fall under the Safety chart), and Strong) and FA (White and Jackson). Of those 2 spots, it's an absolute given that Hairston is taking one.
At no point have I thought White was "nearly a lock". At most, I had him penciled in. But he has to prove to not be a liability and also beat out a number of guys. And from what's been being said lately combined with the number of guys he'll have to beat - I don't know how anyone could be so confident that he's going to be here.
But time will tell....
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