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Christian Gonzalez coming in at 83 to me means Christian Benford is not making the list.
Gonzalez was 2nd Team All Pro at CB last season and gets WAY more love league wide than Benford does.
I don't see any way Benford is going to be above him, particularly on this list.
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1 hour ago, 947 said:
Hamlin is the star of the upcoming Hallmark movie, of course he's not getting cut...
My son came home from HS football practice today & was all mad. He complained that several of the seniors on his team despite knowing the offense really well & knowing exactly what to do, just aren't good at football. I replied "sounds like you have a bunch of Damar Hamlins", he immediately agreed.
I think there's an overcorrection by fans when it comes to the evaluation of Hamlin v. the brass' evaluation.
Is Damar an above average, great starter? No. You want to have a better starter than Damar.
Is he so bad that he holds no value on a 53 man roster? Also, no. Just bc you could do better than him as a Starter doesn't mean he shouldn't be on the roster period.
He knows the system and has McDermott's trust in it enough that he was an unquestioned starter for us all last year. And he wasn't so terrible in the role that he was a consistent liability. Without getting to Lamar and causing that fumble to happen, we may not have won the Divisional game. And when they had the chance to walk away from him, they chose to bring him back.
It's my hope that Taylor Rapp and Cole Bishop are the Starters this year. But that doesn't mean there's no place for Hamlin on the team. Hamlin's experience and ability makes him a very good backup for this team.
Not every player on a 53 man roster is going to be a Superstar. Not every player is someone that you'd be excited about starting if someone went down. No team is 53 deep with above average starters. And with Hamlin, it feels like fans are like "well he's not a great starter so he's worthless".
When it comes to how the team viewed him last season and how a vocal majority of the fans view him, I think the reality is somewhere in the middle.
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2 hours ago, Sojourner said:
Strong? He was an 6th rounder; irrelevant in itself. But imo? Exactly the same as Hardy last year, a practice squad guy imo.
I don't think he's the same guy as Hardy. Like at all. And while he was a 6th Rounder, he was only taken 7 picks after Hancock, 4 picks after Hawes.
Hardy is a diminutive 5'9" Nickel, who was Drafted primarily to be a Return Man and failed to impress to a point that they traded a pick for Codrington to take his roster spot. If not for the return ability in College (that didn't show up in Training Camp and the Pre-Season), Hardy was probably a UDFA.
Strong is a 6'1" Outside CB with Zone coverage skills drafted to be a CB for us. He's a much better Outside CB than Hardy was a Nickel. Expected to go as high as Round 4 and fell more for being a Zone guy than anything else.
And while both were technically taken in Round 6, they were effectively taken almost a Round and a half apart. Dorian Strong was taken with the 1st Pick in Round 6 (Pick 177). Daequan Hardy was taken with the 43rd Pick in Round 6 (compensatory and second to last in the Round, Pick 219).
I view Lundt and Prather as the Draft Picks unlikely to make it. I'm not guaranteeing Strong makes it. But if he lives up to expectations and can play Teams, I think him beating out Ingram as the last CB (alongside Benford, Hairston, Taron, and Tre) is likely. He's more talented and has the potential to be developed into more.
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3 hours ago, Sojourner said:
One or the other? Damar.
Believe both make the team however. Usually we carry 10 or 11 DBs on the active roster under McDermott.
The following are the only absolute locks imo:Benford
Bishop
Hairston
Taron
Rapp
That leaves:
Codrington
Forrest
Hamlin
Hancock
Hardy
Ingram
Jackson
Lewis
Porter Jr.
Strong
White
The bolded are the ones most likely to take the final 5/6 spots on the roster. Italicized are the ones who I feel are competing and likely to have the better chance going into TC and the regular season.
(White in italics in the event someone has a strong showing and makes the team, you run with him for that last spot given the acumen and experience he brings)
You have both Hancock and Strong most likely being cut? That's not only not the most likely to happen, it's HIGHLY unlikely.
We've never outright cut a 5th Round Draft Pick. Hancock was Drafted bc he's a more talented version of Cam Lewis. Strong was the 1st Pick in Round 6 and was a steal there.
Obviously, not all 9 picks are making the 53. But our 5th selection? My gut says both make it. But at the very least, Hancock is in. I'm willing to say there's close to a zero percent chance that neither Hancock or Strong make the roster.
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I think if the board had it's way, it would obviously be Forrest staying.
But I've said this a few times, I don't think there's been a bigger disconnect between the fanbase and the brass on a player than that of the evaluation of Damar Hamlin.
A large percentage of the fanbase sees a guy who shouldn't even be on the team. Not deserving of even a depth roster position.
But McDermott sees a guy who he happily started for the entire year last season. Even when Mike Edwards was asking for his release. Even after Cole Bishop came back from injury and had time to get the playbook down and started in the final game.
They had the chance to walk away from him this offseason and they brought him back. I think McDermott likes him a lot. And I'll believe it when I see it that they're going to go from him being a full time starter to not even being a depth player for us.
As others have mentioned, there's also the contracts. Darrick Forrest is only guaranteed 167k. Damar is guaranteed 2m.
When push comes to shove, i'd be surprised if Forrest is anything more than a Camp Body.
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1 hour ago, Sierra Foothills said:
You're certain Spencer Brown will be listed but uncertain about Dion Dawkins?
That's interesting.
I'll eat crow if necessary but I just don't see Brown being higher on the list than Dawkins.
Yeah, there's no way Spencer Brown makes the list and Dion doesn't. It's either they both make the list or just Dion does.
If I had to hazard a guess, it'll just be Josh, Dion, and Cook. Christian Benford and Spencer Brown *should* be on the list of the Top 100 Players in the NFL - but I view them both as longshots for this particular one.
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11 hours ago, TBBills Fan said:
That's fair on Rousseau. I do have rose colored glasses
But Benford is a Top CB in the league. If he isn't on the list, it's highway robbery
You're looking at this as a Bills fan and like this is some sort of list curated by experts who are painstakingly evaluating and comparing stats and performance by position and ranking them justly.
This isn't that kind of list. This is a list put together quickly by players and is often more of a list of popularity and fame. I mean, Tua played 11 games in a year where the Dolphins had a losing record. And he made the list bc he's Tua.
Unfortunately, Benford isn't flashy or famous. He doesn't get a lot of pick 6's or picks in general. He's a great zone cover guy that locks down his man. We all know as Bills fans he's great. But this is the kind of list where you can bet your bottom dollar someone like Jalen Ramsey has 10x the chance to make it over Benford based on fame and popularity amongst players.
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4 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:
Allen , Dawkins , Benford Brown cook should make it ... Brown probably off
Milano when healthy would definitely be there
It wouldn't remotely shock me if Brown made it and Benford didn't. Fair or not, Brown got way more attention for his strong play last year than Benford did.
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8 hours ago, TBBills Fan said:
I think Dawkins, Brown, Benford and Allen make it
I think Rousseau should and might make it
Dawkins and especially Allen will undoubtedly make it.
Again, Benford could, but I'm 50/50 at best on that. Rousseau? No way that happens.
You have to keep in mind, we're now in the Top 81 players of all positions on all teams league wide. If Rousseau was to make it, he'd be at the bottom of the list with Josh Sweat - who given his Super Bowl performance would probably supercede Rousseau league wide.
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9 hours ago, Dablitzkrieg said:
Benford is a top 5 CB in the league. There is no doubt he will make it
I definitely think he should and I wouldn't be surprised if he made it.
But "no doubt" he will? I wouldn't go that far. Most fans don't even know who he is. He's often left off Top CB's lists, period. Let alone the Top 5. And this is a player voted thing, often with bigger names who had down years voted in over players who had better seasons.
Again, I think he should be on the list. But I certainly have doubts that he will be.
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5 hours ago, pi2000 said:
I, for one, never liked the pick. Slight build, not physical... and (guilty or not) character concerns stemming from the SA allegations. If this SA issue blows over, can he stay healthy? Color me concerned.
Would've preferred a LB, Schwesinger or Campbell, or if CB was a must then perhaps Will Johnson or Amos in the 2nd... but imo LB was as much a need as CB and there were a few good ones on the board at 30.
If Milano goes down again and TB misses some time (as he always does) could be tough sledding again for the run defense.
... Huh?
We utilize 2 LB's. We just signed one of them to a long term contract in Terrel Bernard. And for the other spot, we have Matt Milano who has been showing improvement on a gradual basis since returning.
Even if you're concerned about his health and long term future, we have Dorian Williams underneath him who we spent on a 3rd Round Pick on and performed admirably as a Starter for long periods of time and may be the long term starter at OLB.
As for Bernard getting injured or Milano/Williams, you could play that game with almost any position. I don't see any way you could say LB was on equal ground as CB when all we had there was Tre White, Dane Jackson, and Ja'Marcus Ingram opposite Benford. You're concerned about Bernard and Milano/Williams if there was an injury but not concerned about Tre White starting on 2025?
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8 hours ago, Beck Water said:
My sources date from 2022 when it was 100% the case that the NFL could not discipline a player for happenings prior to the draft.
I would assume yours supercede, being from 2023
Perhaps the NFL decided to change their policy after the Araiza happenings.Yes, that's exactly what happened. And I'm sure it was a result of the Araiza situation:
QuoteThere was a time when misconduct predating a player’s arrival to the NFL would not result in direct scrutiny under the Personal Conduct Policy. At most, pre-NFL behavior would be a factor in punishment for post-NFL misdeeds.
That changed in 2023.
The league revised the Personal Conduct Policy that year to include this statement: “Nothing in this Policy should be read to limit the league’s authority to investigate or discipline potential Policy violations alleged to have occurred before a player is under contract or Draft-eligible.”
So unfortunately, Maxwell Hairston COULD be suspended. But it wouldn't be until after the Civil Suit has been resolved, if there's a settlement or he was found liable in court.
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4 minutes ago, ClosetFan said:
Is it already over with?
Yes, if you entered the lottery you'll have an email telling you if you won or not.
I did not.
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13 hours ago, Malazan said:
You're incorrect on all of these. None of them had been resolved. While a plea deal may have been negotiated, it's not official until it goes before the court.
And if there's no case to resolve.. then why a suspension?
What are you on about? Do you need me to link every single article of each resolution date and suspension date?
If the press has that they plead guilty to a crime, they've plead guilty. It's not they plead guilty to prosecutors and the prosecutors announce it to the press then there's some long waiting time to plead before the judge. It's done.
Even if you want to argue that there's a case where it leaks to the press first (which isn't what these reports say) - then they all came to agreements with the prosecution that became public before they were suspended. That hasn't happened with Rice.
And why suspensions come with no charges, again, has no correlation to Rice. He has been charged. It hasn't been settled. The suspension won't come until it has been settled, he's found innocent in trial, or guilty in trial. None of these things have happened yet.
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10 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:
There is also a rule called “The Taylor Swift’s boyfriend plays on my team” exemption.
I know as Bills fans some of us want to make out that there's some preferential treatment to the Chiefs in Rice's situation. That's simply not the case.
They are consistent in how they handle suspensions when it comes to Criminal Cases. @Malazan argument that they suspend before resolution of Criminal Charges is proven wrong by simple research on the cases of each player.
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3 hours ago, Malazan said:
Deshaun Watson (2022 Suspension) - Watson faced multiple civil lawsuits, but no criminal charges were filed. The NFL’s decision was based on its investigation, which preceded the resolution of most civil cases.
Alvin Kamara (2023 Suspension) - Kamara’s legal case was ongoing at the time of the suspension. The NFL’s suspension was announced in August 2023, based on its investigation rather than waiting for full legal resolution.
Chris Lammons (2023 Suspension) - Lammons faced legal proceedings that were not fully resolved at the time of the NFL’s suspension. The league acted based on its own findings.
Zay Jones (2024 Suspension) - ones was arrested in November 2023 for misdemeanor domestic battery in Florida. The charges were dropped in March 2024, but the NFL’s investigation determined that a suspension was warranted based on its findings. The suspension was announced before any further legal actions, such as civil suits, were resolved.
J.C. Jackson (2024 Suspension) - Jackson had an arrest warrant issued in Massachusetts in September 2023 for failing to appear at a court hearing related to 2021 reckless driving and speeding charges. The NFL’s suspension was based on its investigation into his overall conduct, including the 2023 warrant, and was imposed before the legal case was resolved.
Von Miller (2024 Suspension) - Miller was arrested in November 2023 for an alleged assault on his pregnant girlfriend, but no formal charges were filed by the Dallas County District Attorney’s Office. The NFL’s investigation concluded that Miller violated the policy, leading to the suspension before any further legal proceedings.
This is just factually wrong. I don't know why you end each of these with cases not being resolved when a little research on each Criminal case shows that they were indeed resolved.
Deshaun Watson: Reached settlements on 20 of 24 civil suits on 6/21/22. 3 more cases settled on 7/31/22. Suspended 6 games in August of 2022 for cases settled. Revisited by the NFL and extended to 11 games.
Alvin Kamara: Arrest on 2/6/22. Took Plea Deal pleading guilty on 7/11/23 to Misdemeanors. Suspended on 8/4/23 after case resolved.
Chris Lammons: Warrant issued for arrest on 2/16/22. Took Plea Deal pleading guilty to Misdemenors on 7/11/23. Suspended on 8/4/23 after case resolved.
Zay Jones: .... you literally say in your post that the charges were dropped in March of 2024. He was suspended on 8/23/24 after case resolved. How can you say the charges were dropped but the legal case wasn't resolved?
J.C. Jackson: Arrested on 9/25/23. Case resolved in early October 2023 after appearing in court and completing an online course for reckless driving. Suspended on 8/23/24 after case resolved.
Von Miller: Arrested on 11/30/23. Girlfriend recanted her statement of wrongdoing on Miller's part, so no charges were filed. Never a case to even resolve. Suspended in 10/2024.
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58 minutes ago, TFBillsfan said:
And yet radio silence on KC’s Rasheed Rice by the NFL!
That's because the legal process hasn't played out with Rice yet. The league doesn't hand out suspensions until after criminal charges or civil suits have been completed. Save for heinous acts caught on video (like with Ray Rice), that will have the league put you on an exempt list until things play out.
To suspend before legal matters are resolved would be to assist Prosecution or Plaintiff's attorneys by giving them an institution to point to that has already completed their own investigation and held the player responsible for the crime or allegation.
Rashee Rice's criminal matters have yet to be resolved. Justin Tucker's allegations didn't include criminal charges or a civil suit. This is also why Von Miller got suspended fairly quickly compared to others - his girlfriend didn't go forward with criminal charges or sue him.
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1 hour ago, uticaclub said:
Do you think our roster, particularly the defense, has improved enough this year compared to last year to make stops and create turnovers in the playoffs?
I am looking forward to next year and excited to see how far Josh can take us, although my expectations are tempered.
That's something we'll have to wait and see on. I do think the Defense is definitely improved, on paper. That doesn't doesn't guarantee a better performance though, especially when it comes to things like Turnovers which are often entirely situational.
But when it comes to this discussion, I didn't say "he'll make the Super Bowl this season". Just that I'm confident that unless something unforeseen occurs, he'll make a Super Bowl before he retires.
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46 minutes ago, uticaclub said:
Why do you think he’ll make one Super Bowl if he stays healthy?
If he stays healthy and plays until the age most elite QB's like him play, I have very little doubt that he'll win at least a Championship game.
He's come within inches (or 13 seconds) and was still in the game late with a poor roster just last season. Of course, I can't see the future. But I am very confident that he will at least make a Super Bowl before he retires, save for unforeseen injuries or an earlier than expected exit from the league.
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17 minutes ago, Bills!Win! said:
And we ended up with DonteI remember going into the Draft thinking we'd end up taking Michael Huff or Haloti Ngata. When Huff went 7, I was like "alright, it's gonna be Ngata then".
When the pick came in as Donte Whitner, my jaw about hit the floor. I couldn't believe it. I liked the pick of John McCargo at the time of the Trade Up. Same for Ashton Youboty in Round 3 and Ko Simpson in Round 4.
Little did I know the real victory would be in Round 5 in the form of Kyle Williams.
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There probably wasn't a time when I more actively followed College Football as it were happening and was more invested in a Draft than the 2006 NFL Draft.
It was wild then to later see most of the College Superstars from that Draft end up wearing a Bills jersey at different points in time, even if incredibly briefly in some instances, in Mario Williams, Reggie Bush, Vince Young, and Matt Leinart.
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3 hours ago, JerseyBills said:
This is real , my brother brought it up , he was at Fanatics fest
What a clown , I don't really have much else to say, hopefully someone lights him up in our first game, I'd gladly them take the 15 yards
And if anything, that's a smart strategy
That's hilarious. What do you want? Them not to cover you?
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In what's sure to be a hot take: James Cook.
His speed, vision, and elusiveness is so fun to watch.
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26 minutes ago, mushypeaches said:
He’s got to at least get to a SB. No QB since Warren Moon has made it without that criteria
I think it's a moot point, as if he plays a long career and isn't hampered by a serious injury, he'll at least make a Super Bowl. But I disagree.
If he plays for a long time and doesn't fall off a cliff early, I think he's already Hall of Fame bound. His accolades, numbers, records, and performances in games that are considered perhaps the greatest of all time alone will get him in.
It's silly to say, "well Warren Moon was the last person to get in without a Super Bowl appearance so Josh can't do it without one". His career (again, without a major injury derailing things) will easily surpass that of Warren Moon. Dan Marino appeared in a single Super Bowl, but had he not, he'd have still gotten in. And Josh is a modern day Dan Marino level QB.
I also feel pretty safe in saying Philip Rivers will make the Pro Football Hall of Fame without a Super Bowl appearance. Maybe not 1st Ballot bc of that, but he will make it in the coming years and reset the clock on that supposed qualification.
We're obviously putting the cart before the horse here and I don't like talking about such things bc I'm slightly superstitious. But, in my opinion, Josh Allen is a Future HOF'er right now with or without a Super Bowl appearance so long as he doesn't fall apart before his mid 30's.
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