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10 minutes ago, cba fan said:
No way. It is not 100% conclusive that he is OOB in this pic. His ass has not touched down yet. His shoulder is close but may be just up yet. I can see a dark line under. Same with shoulder.
You can not see 100% that his fingers are on that ball. Looks like they could just be off the ball and black gloves make it impossible to say with 100% conclusive.
Again ... I had to scale down the pixels to meet the posting limit. I'll give you confusion on the glove/ball. However, you can blow it up enough to see that the lower white stripe on the shoulder disappears into the white boundary line.
I agree that this frameshot is not conclusive ... but it is not HD ... I've attached another from a few frames before to help you see the fingers touching the ball. Here you can also see his white hip blend into the boundary line.
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6 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:
thanks for the clip. I wasn't going to dig through the game film to see this one again. however, in the interest of continuing the debate, here's the thing. frame by frame, I find it impossible to identify the moment the ball left the dark gloved hand of landry v. when it appears his jersey touches the line. I'm not arguing with you, but can you definitively see that he still has contact with the ball? I'm wondering because the thing about camera angles is they have limitations. I can most definitely see upholding a no-fumble call if it went that way (much like the Benjamin TD call--had they ruled it incomplete I could understand insufficient evidence to overturn). but here...just seems to me they guessed, and assumed.
I've attached the frame that I was looking at ... I had to scale it down to fit in the 200k limit, but I see Landry's fingers touching the ball at the same time that his shoulder and hip are on the white.
1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said:My point is that the sideline should NOT save you from a fumble. He clearly no longer has POSSESSION of the ball. He may be touching it but he is NOT possessing it. Now...the reverse has always been true: To RECOVER the a fumble you must be totally in the field of play.
Reading the rule like that may make sense, but the actual principle is that a player out of bounds is an extension of the boundary line and the ball is dead immediately upon touching the OOB line. You cannot recover it because it becomes dead before you can fully possess it. It becomes dead the moment that Landry touches the line and the ball reverts to the last team in possession. This one of the few rules that actually shows some consistency.
Again ... it's not when he loses possession ... it's all about when he completely stops touching the ball in conjunction with touching the boundary line
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19 hours ago, Shotgunner said:
Turnover was just that, a turnover. Another fleece job by Riveron, who seems to have it out for us.
Hughes keeps going for the strip, when he could get the sack. Like Shady sometimes, I want to tell him to stop trying to win the game on every play, and win the game one play at a time.
Prestons celebration was a head scratcher. I think when he heard "out of bounds", he thought the ref was saying Preston himself stepped out during the return before scoring. Still a dumbass move.
14 hours ago, John in Jax said:I agree. From what I saw in HD was that the ball was definitely not firmly in his grasp BEFORE it hit the ground and popped up. IOW, the ball was coming loose before it hit the ground AND before the guy was down. It should have been a fumble/TD return for the Bills. Same old, same old on the call going against the Bills.
Check out the video again ... https://www.clippituser.tv/c/glrlnm
just before the ball leaves contact with Landry's hand, his shoulder (and maybe more of his side) touches the boundary line. It was the right call
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On #4, I watched the ref right from the start as I knew it was PI ... the ref was trying to pull out his flag almost immediately, but was trying to do it without looking down to grab it. He just didn't find it right away.
Each of your other points are clear and indisputable!
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So ... are the same people who claim that this is not a sustainable way to win the same people who complain that we aren't scoring enough points off of the takeaways? Seems that way ... enjoy the wins. When we get early 1990s awesome again, then we can nitpick.
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That's what I thought. Evidently I'm not familiar with the rules. Maybe it's like a running back getting the ball over the line while in the air.
RB has possession while running ... catch is not possessed until two feet down
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cant be pushed out?
On the sideline, they removed that subjective call ...
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Serious question about a loophole in the rules ... why was that a touchdown? Possession is not established by a receiver until both feet are down ... Hogan never touched his feet down in the end zone. Is there something I'm missing?
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It was interesting to hear the commentators belittle McD for waiting until Carolina lined up before calling TO at the end of the game, but when Carolina did that on the Bills' last drive, it was a smart play by the coach. McD made the smart play.I'm heartbroken by this loss but encouraged on several fronts. McDermott, although he had some issues with clock management, I think he had a plan behind the TOs. I love his demeanor and how he has brought discipline and a better attitude to this team.
I may get crucified, but Tyrod was not as bad as we thought. Yes he needs to throw the ball downfield more but there were several plays where he held the ball and I couldn't find a single WR open. I still think he's the best option for us.
Defense was awesome. Difference between a good defense and a great defense is great defenses get takeaways. We didn't today. We need to capitalize on those because our offense needs more opportunities cause it's not reliable or consistent.
Zay had a rough game but I think the future is bright for him. I think Dennison needs to generate a more downfield offense to match our teams strengths instead of all these 5 yard outs.
I will say though, which is most important, this team is getting better and heading in the right direction. Stay positive
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Wasn't that a lateral a couple plays back? He threw it backwards out of bounds ...
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He'd hold the flag too long and get sacked
No, he would fall down and injure himself on the flag without being touched ...
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To be clear, Flutie was the 24th rated passer in 1999. He didn't lead us to the playoffs, we got there because of a dominant defense in spite of Flutie's play. Was he the better option? Probably ... but we didn't get there because of him.
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Averaged less than 200 yards per game through the air ... but he also brought 22 yards per game on the ground ... wasn't he great?!
Just because he had more durability than Glass Johnson doesn't mean that he is all that.
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Which was ugly, having been at that game.
My friend's wife was an ER XRay nurse on duty at the hospital when Thiesman came in ... pretty cool story for her to tell. She got to help read the film.
That and my friend got peed on by Jim Kelly in the high school locker room after football practice one day.
Cool story, bro ...
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If the NFL wants to put a game in Torshavn, Riga or Tallinn, I might go.
Tallinn is a beautiful place, but the time I was there in January ... we only had about 2 hours of daylight. Any home playoff game is a night game ....
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I know Gordon (Kim's brother). Very cool guy, talented musician himself.
Some of you might already be aware. But the Pegulas also own a record label, Black River Entertainment here in Nashville. One of their artists - Kelsea Ballerini is a Grammy nominee this year. The CEO of the company is from Fairport and is Kim Pegula's brother.
At any rate, someone to root for at this year's Grammys.
Best.
Charles
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I'm not sure the Cardinals can express interest in a player under contract with another team ...
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They ran the end around fake a few times inside the Miami 20 during the game, including the go ahead drive (I think). My thought was that was stupid to do in the red zone, even dumber when they didn't fake it.
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Absolutely! They needed to treat it like four down territoryAnyone else have a problem with the punt on 4th and 3 in OT?
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I love snow games too. McCoy had a great game in the snow a few years ago when he was still in Philly. Of course I also recall the 6-3 game in Cleveland...
The snow game in Cleveland was 8-0 IIRC ... the 6-3 one was in Buffalo, I sat in the end zone for that painful JV game.
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Glad he made a couple plays, but Tate is a stupid player on a team with more than enough stupid players already. WTF was he thinking when he reached in for that downed punt inside the five? The fact it was a dead ball at that point has nothing to do with it, either.
Smartest play of the game, actually. It shows he knows the rule book. Once the Bengals touched it, the worst that would happen is we get the ball at that point. If he picks it up and fumbles it and the Bengals return it for a touchdown, we get the ball where they last touched it before Tate picked it up. Unusual rule, but always been the case. At least one of the announcers knew the rule.
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The best answer in my mind is found in his CFL days. Flutie set records there. He won the Grey Cup three times, Grey Cup MVP three times, CFL MVP six times ... all in seven years. It sounds amazing until you understand that he did it with three different teams. There was something about him that made teams want to unload him, even as he was the best in the league there at that time.
From what I could see ... it was ALWAYS all about him and proving everyone wrong about his height. He was not a team player.
Fred Jackson Is The WRONG Kind of Player To Roast
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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Why did it take until page 4 for someone to point this out? Why did I look through all of the posts to discover this? Why can't I have back those 45 seconds of speed reading?
Mentioning Flutie as a Bills legend should immediately place asterisks on your profile ...