Joe Ferguson forever

He's terrified... The indictment doesn't include any charges re inciting a riot on Jan 6. I'm sure that was purposeful to avoid this type of fallacious argument. Lawyers? Don't know what they have on Dershowitz (Epstein?) but he's a shameless shill now.

illegally, with the back up of martial law. and you're clearly good with that. Been thinking about why MAGA's think this is ok. Best I could come up with is they think the game is rigged against them and other cheaters win so why not us? But the thing is...lots of folks play the game fairly and want others to as well.

How much do you think it cost to assemble and organize fake electors in 7 states? The lawyers alone cost more than anyone would pay for a meaningless stunt. His purpose was to get the fake electors to change the outcome of the election. Eastman's lawyer stated this the other night on CNN. You are the fool or just a useful idiot. https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/4138124-trumps-fake-electors-7-states-he-lost/

yes, they looked at voter registration. If you had bothered looking at Kemp's repeated link you'd know that. But you have no appetite for the truth and a dull, lazy mind.

what part of what i wrote do you disagree with?

One Republican congressman is a patriot. One is not https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2023/08/04/kevin-mccarthy-reaction-donald-trump-charges-indictment-arraignment-kinzinger-ac-360-vpx.cnn

i point awarded for? trying i guess... Don't we all? I figure someone might enjoy it

which included themselves in most cases.

She was terrible in that she was unlikeable to many including me. What I can't understand is how current R's find trump likable.

so no excess deaths from covid in the under 80 population? Especially the unvaxxed? factually and demonstrably incorrect.

it's true. perhaps the phrasing could be softer for the sensitive.

And yet the champion of many of those people is now a poster child for the worst of the investment class...

sadly, vaccines were a hill that many MAGA's chose to die on.

yes. money heavily influences politics. I wouldn't label Obama a war monger but he certainly was less of a pacifist than I expected. At any rate, I think your points support my belief that the "culture war" and the anger between new red and blue is just a proxy term for "class war" which few will admit. With the old R party, it was more clear and open.

Clinton was a terrible candidate as is trump. Obama was an attractive candidate to many including some establishment people. From my perspective, he was the hybrid. For example, while espousing a national healthcare system he got a much less radical program enacted. I don't think you can lump the 3 together.

It actually worked pretty well the old way. And would work better if both adopted a more hybrid model. For instance, it would make sense for those who heavily utilize social programs to support the politicians that do. But they don't. In some ways, the hybrid model is in effect in the D party with many of the old R's now identifying as D's.

The definition of red and blue has almost flipped. The country club set were the R's. The union workers etc and those needing to rely on social programs were the D's. So it's important to describe red and blue in historical terms: Old or new R. Old or new D. What a mess

Yup. But they admire his accumulation and pride in wealth because he pretends to listen. Schizophrenic, as I said. Best recent example is covid. The "freedom" to go unvaxed caused excess deaths to their own tribe and to everyone else. But their "freedom" is more important...

It provokes your anger and resentment, doesn't it? Kinda the point. Much of the MAGA hate for the left stems from this. While calling D's socialists and commies, when they illustrate their success in capitalism they are "elites" and are despised. It's schizophrenic and pathetic. You guys just want the govt to do whatever is best for you. Doesn't matter how or who it hurts just as long as the actions improve your life. Or you believe that they will. That's the extent of the political philosophy of MAGAs and that's why they are at our throats.

Ex trump attorney Ty Cobb has a strong opinion on the case Ty Cobb, who represented then-President Trump in former special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation into the Trump campaign and Russian meddling in the 2016 election, said in response to the former president's third indictment that he thinks Trump is “toast.” “[O]n the state of mind issues above, there will be evidence from more than one or two witnesses that Trump acknowledged that he lost,” Cobb wrote in a Facebook post yesterday, referring to Trump’s third indictment. “That is just the cherry on top of a mountain of evidence that would satisfy the ‘reckless disregard’ or ‘should have known’ standards that are alternatives to proving actual knowledge,” he added. “He knew. He is toast. DC jury: He is done. Until he wins the election and the fun begins all over.” Cobb served in the Trump White House in 2017 and 2018, where he led the internal response to the Mueller probe. Mueller ended his investigation without charging Trump with obstruction of justice, saying that was because of Justice Department guidelines barring a sitting president from being indicted. Although Trump expressed “full confidence” in Cobb a few weeks before his departure in 2018, Cobb has since distanced himself from the former president. Asked by NBC News last year about the prospect of another Trump presidential bid, months before the former president officially announced his campaign, Cobb said he “is a disaster for the Republican Party" and that "the Big Lie has been good only for Trump," referring to the former president's baseless claims of election fraud.

I'm not a lawyer but I play one on the internet. Been listening to legal commentary however. Seems divided on party affiliation which is shocking, I know. Seems to me the consensus is that there is a very good case and probably a lot more damning info behind the curtain. Barr said it was the tip of the iceberg today.

It's the federalist. paddock of kavanaugh, Gorsuch and that crazy handmaids tale woman. What do you expect?

Welcome to the board. It's usually almost civil but we mud wrestle sometimes. So are you a Bills fan too? Or just 49ers? both teams had OJ in common.

See. was that so difficult. I can see why you didn't want to make the argument. It's terrible. Passing obamacare and trying to subvert our election process are like a new york penn league game compared to the MLB world series

Of course you don't. You don't have a leg to stand on