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49 minutes ago, Jrb1979 said:
I'm glad the college atmosphere is going away. I welcome the hotels, bars and restaurants.
Hate to break it to you, but you aren't going to get hotels, bars and restaurants. No permits pulled for any of these.
Unless you mean the nachos you'll get at the bars inside the stadium.
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5 hours ago, Mango said:
Another poster who works in pro sports mentioned that even though the Bills are winning, they are known for being poorly or mediocrely run in pro sports business circles.
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23 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:
Allen said he just threw up because of what he saw.
That’s what an option route is. He saw the leverage and the defender and made a choice.
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40 minutes ago, Mr Info said:
Having been to the experience, I will make a couple of comments per feedback & perspective.
-The new stadium will be so much better than the current stadium. Imo, there is no comparison as far as the club seats. Have not had the opportunity to evaluate stadium seating yet.
-There are plenty of STHs outside of the Buffalo area so they are selling to a wider swath than the local area. I have had season tix for 30+ years and live about 400 miles away.
Can you give some more information on the features that will make the new stadium better?
I know there will be views of the field from the indoor club, which is nice.
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14 minutes ago, mrags said:
I currently have club seats and I’m almost positive I don’t get free parking included.
The indoor club seats did. Guess they changed it.
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2 hours ago, MikePJ76 said:
They suck, they are anti fan and in a city like Buffalo it's an incredibly unfair ask. It is going to change the fanbase in the stadium for the worse. One of the great things about buffalo is that it is filled with blue collar real people. When the cocaine and boob job crowd (as they are called in LA and Dallas) show up that is when your home games go to crap.
PSL's are an absolute SCAM. In every city, but especially Buffalo.
At least if you are in LA or Dallas or NYC, you can theoretically justify spreading the expense among other events. Concerts, college games, monster truck rally's, whatever.
In Buffalo, it's just the Bills. There is no apple-to-apple comparison to other cities that have PSL's. You are paying an extra $5k, $10k, $15k, $20k, for absolutely NOTHING more than you were receiving with the price of a single ticket before.
AND it makes wayyyyy more sense in a situation like the Rams or Chargers or Patriots or Jets or Giants or Carolina where the owner(s) footed the entire bill. But here, in Western New York, the FANS footed more than half the bill AND then have to pay for PSL's. It's insane. Absolutely insane.
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Just now, Mr Info said:
Field club PSL is $15k/seat x two seats (my quote) = $30k. East club PSL is $20K/seat. My quote is for 2 seats (follow link in earlier post today where I placed the East club images in my first post after I got experienced).
Thanks for the explanation. It was my fault. You wrote "East club PSL is $20k/seat" and my brain read it as "Each club PSL is $20k/seat".Aka, I thought you were saying all the clubs had a PSL of $20k/seat. I should have kept reading.
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12 minutes ago, Canadian Bills Fan said:
Access to "purchase" VIP parking
You don't even get a spot included for $30K????
This is an a la carte operation.
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1 hour ago, Just Jack said:
I believe I heard that is because we have an additional home game (pre-season) this year.
We had 9 home games last year (8 in Buffalo) and 8 homes games this year. So it’s equal.
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2 hours ago, mrags said:
Well. I didn’t think it was obvious. I have doubts about those numbers honestly. If you were talking resale I would believe it. Where did you say you got that info from again?
Not sure why you would find that so hard to believe, unless you haven’t been following ticket prices for a decade. The Bills themselves announced that their tickets were 20% below the league average in 2021. This was BEFORE a 22% increase in prices within the stadium.
Just in the past 18 months the Bills have increased tickets by 22%. They went up 12% last offseason (which got us to 15.9% below league average) and they’re going up 10% this offseason (which I think will get us to around 12% below league average).
I think your mind is stuck in the mid 2000’s when we were far below league average. The Pegula’s have steadily increased ticket prices. The bargain is gone. We are almost at league average and the new stadium will put us well above league average.
https://dolphinstalk.com/2023/12/which-nfl-team-had-the-most-expensive-tickets-in-2023/
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7 hours ago, mrags said:
That still doesn’t tell me of its posted ticket prices by the teams or secondary prices.
Sorry, I thought that was obvious. Its original retail prices (by the team). I wouldn’t post resale prices because that wouldn’t make sense in this context.
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41 minutes ago, mrags said:
I saw you post before that we are not so far behind the rest of the league. As you stated that we are actually quite high on the list. I’m just curious where you got this information from. Is it based on organization ticket prices? Is it based on secondary market prices?
regardless, the NFL and the Bills don’t care. They could play in empty stadiums and still make money. So anything they get is just the cherry on top of the pie at this point. They are likely tripling down with PSL, increased ticket prices, on top of “catching up to the rest of the league”.
on another note, I spoke with my new ticket rep the other day. He told me I would probably be a few months away from getting my stadium experience. He answered a few questions for me regarding the process but nothing that would be considered new info here. Just an fyi @SoCal Deek I did get a feeling of timeshare presentation in the phone conversation. Of course he didn’t provide any info on ticket prices. At one point he started asking me questions and actually asked if I was interested in buying MORE than my current 2 club seats. I found that odd especially since it was previously stated they are having 70% success rate.
It was average ticket prices - each team vs the league average.
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3 hours ago, Buffalo Super Fan said:
Exactly you can’t give Manhattan and LA prices if your Buffalo salary isn’t Manhattan and LA salary. I have no problem paying for PSL’s Manhattan and LA prices if I getting there salaries. Again if Terry Pegula hypothetically followed through on Austin, Texas to move the Bills there. Terry Pegula isn’t getting Manhattan and LA prices in Austin, Texas regardless of the technology companies they have. Each market isn’t Manhattan and LA.It’s a fact that many fans miss when they make the argument of “We are just catching up to the average ticket sale price”.
Not really.
We are only 15.9% less than the average NFL tickets. And I believe I read ticket prices are increasing another 10% this year, so that discrepancy is likely going to get smaller.We are not just catching up to the rest of the league - we are almost there. And the new stadium ticket pricing will not just catch us up, it will put us into the top 5/10 for ticket pricing is my hypothesis.
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19 minutes ago, PBF81 said:
I thought that if you give up your seats, the team retains the rights to the seats and can charge another PSL to new STHs, no?
No you are typically allowed to sell you re-sell your PSL. Oftentimes for significantly less than you purchased it for.
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29 minutes ago, Mr Info said:
Interesting that in the same article that you cite is this:
“If the Jets had won a couple of Super Bowls in recent years like the Giants, their fans would have figured to fare similarly well. Some Giants fans can collect up to twice as much as they originally paid for PSLs.”
There are plenty of articles demonstrating that PSLs are not good investments. But looks like a good investment for Giants fans.
So all we need is for the Bills to win 2 Super Bowls? Sign me up for that.Joking aside, that article is from 2017. Of course a PSL will rise in value directly after that.
Giants PSL’s are now down significantly as well. You can pick up a PSL for as low as $400 right now. -
54 minutes ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said:
Wouldn't you be better off paying for a college education for your kids instead of going to Bills games ?
Please think about this
$40k in an account earning 8~ish% interest over those same 10 years is close to $100k.
The smart play here is to let others pay the absurd retail price, and then purchase it from them in a few years for pennies on the dollar.
The Jets sold PSL’s for as high as $25,000. Those same PSL’s are selling for $4,500 now.
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49 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:
Bills prices still won't be at par with the rest of the NFL. But it will be closer.
Not a chance that is true.
Bills tickets were only 15.9% cheaper than the league average in 2023.
We have seen reports of ticket prices for the new stadium being 70% to 100% higher than the current prices.
The new stadium pricing will be top 10 in the NFL without a doubt.
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8 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:
The Bills price structure has always been way undervalued compared to the rest of the NFL. Building a new stadium allows the team to reset those numbers.
This doesn’t compute.
Building a brand new 8,000 square foot house in Buffalo, doesn’t mean that this new house has equal market value to the same large home in California. Or Chicago. Or NYC. etc.
Bringing the Bills ticket pricing up to national averages only makes sense if they’re also building the stadium in one of those larger cities that demand such exorbitant ticket prices.
But they’re not.
They’re charging big city prices, without the big city. The big city prices make sense in those cities because *everything* is more expensive there.
It would be akin to being told the apartments in Lackawanna are now $7.5k per month, because the landlord says the previous rent was undervalued compared to Manhattan and LA.
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34 minutes ago, Mr Info said:
No, the reps I was with enforced, nicely, no pics
I still don’t understand this. I understand they don’t want the pricing to get out, but why don’t they want us to see the stadium!?!?
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52 minutes ago, BillsPride12 said:
So you have to pay 40 grand to get access to an area where you can then pay more for food and drinks? Sounds awesome
As soon as they said “the club areas will have a roof covering, radiant heating and indoor food”… I would told them blankly, “that’s exactly what we have at 50 year old stadium right now”.
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$40k is more than the nations average salary.
Wow.
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1 hour ago, Westside said:
He looks creepy
They picked a really poor picture for his introduction article.
Nothing in PSE seems to have any vetting process.
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3 hours ago, ET1062 said:
I give him 9 months before Terry fires him.
Agreed on short term but more like 18 months.
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5 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:
Those going to games will contribute a share to the stadium cost.
We already are through taxes.12 minutes ago, Mr Info said:My Experience appt is finished. I was told by one of the guides they have a 70% hit rate in the first wave but I did not commit to anything.
The junior Legends rep said she would send details of what was discussed per PSL in a ppt presentation in email. May wait a day to post my notes to check against her slides. Hurrying up to catch a flight from BUF.Look forward to reading your notes. Were you impressed with the 3d view?
Stadium Construction Discussion (No PSL/Seat selection posts)
in The Stadium Wall
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There will be new business in general. There has been new businesses in Orchard Park every year for the past three decades.
However, no large hotel chain or business is building in OP because of 8 days of crowds per year.