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13 minutes ago, mrags said:
I’m not sure about every seat in the house. But I’ve sat in a suite for a concert before. Pretty sure that constitutes a PSL. They own the box. Just like a club seat. And I’m not so sure that some 200 level tickets don’t have PSLs on them either.
A suite is a completely different animal and not what anyone in this thread is talking about.
What i'm gathering is that you are mistakenly considering a season benefit perk that club holders get (about 15% of the stadium), where they get to purchase event tickets at the normal price as the general public, as "Personal Seat Licenses". Despite neither the Bills or Sabres EVER marketing this benefit as a PSL (because it's not).
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2 minutes ago, mrags said:
That’s it true. I’ve been to the Sabres Arena (whatever the hell name their calling it now) for multiple concerts from people that paid PSLs.
Huh? The Sabres dont have PSL's.
You may have bought concert tickets (that were publicly available by the way) from Sabres season ticket holders who responded to an emailed that offered them to buy concert tickets, that you also could have purchased on Ticketmaster. -
1 minute ago, mrags said:
Yes. Exactly. That is 100% the argument. To them, they are all that matters and they are successful and so is their business.
yeah thats why I laughed when the poster labeled this model as "successful". I mean, it's successful for 1 of the 60,000 people involved. -
48 minutes ago, Jrb1979 said:
Everyone knew this was coming, so I don't understand the outrage.
Most of the people who are upset about it were upset the entire time. For years. Maybe you're just paying attention now? -
1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said:
That is pretty much the case with entertainment venues.
By entertainment venues do you mean *only* football (or soccer in Europe)?
Because I cant think of any other entertainment venue where you pay for the building, then pay to enter the building, then pay to sit in the seat.
- You dont do that at concerts (unless its at a FOOTBALL stadium).
- You dont do that at comedy shows (no PSL, and taxpayers didnt pay for the venue).
- You dont do that at magician acts (no PSL, and taxpayers didnt pay for the venue).
- You dont do that at medieval times (no PSL, and taxpayers didnt pay for the venue).- You don't do that at festivals (taxpayers *might* have paid for the venue, but no PSL).
It's only football (or soccer).QuoteI don't think you can call something insane when it's a very successful model.
What is successful about it? Do you mean that a few billionaire owners are successful at taking money?
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19 minutes ago, RkFast said:
Unless Im WAY off, the purpose of the PSL is to finance the construction of the Stadium. And a sports team...last I checked...needs a stadium to play and in this day and age thats a lot more than brick steel, toilets, grass and some seats.
Also, you act like sports teams are the only businesses that get tax breaks. Ever hear of IDAs? You also cant compare a fast food franchise to a sports team and how they operate and are financed. Come on.
Tax break = / = paying for the stadium.
The taxpayers are literally PAYING for the stadium. Then they're being charged to enter the stadium. Then being charged to sit in the seat.
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28 minutes ago, RkFast said:
How does "greed" comes into play here? Name me a business that DOESNT pass at least a significant portion of the cost of doing business on to its customers in one way, shape or form.
Until Im shown that team ownership is soaking the fans in this new building and charging prices with a very very high markup, the "greed" argument just doesnt wash.
Not many businesses exist where the fans (taxpayers) pay for the building and THEN get charged to enter the building and THEN get charged to buy the product.
Imagine if YOU (the taxpayer) had to pay for new Taco Bell building. And THEN when the fancy new Taco Bell you paid for was all constructed, management made you pay to enter the building you just paid for. And THEN once youre in the building you paid to build, and paid to enter, you had to then pay for the actual tacos.
Your analogy doesnt wash because 99% of businesses... this would be thought of as insane. Which it is.
It is not even remotely close to passing the cost of doing business onto the customer.-
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Honestly ruins kickoffs in my opinion. The entire optics of the “opening kickoff” is just gone.
The number of rule changes that have taken place in the last 10 years is dizzying. Watch a full game from 2000 (not that long ago!) and it feels like a different league.
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36 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:
what tends to happen is that a large number of PSLs become available when a team goes through a multiple season losing streak. The PSL for less desirable seats don’t sell for much - or at all - and the holders have to decide between continuing to buy season tickets for a bad team or simply giving up their PSL for nothing or next to nothing.
Exactly right.
Imagine the resale value of a PSL during the drought. Would be lucky to get a basket of chicken wings for them.
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18 minutes ago, papazoid said:
initial cost estimate of new stadium $1.4 Billion
current cost estimate of new stadium $1.7 Billion
likely final cost estimate of new stadium $2.0 Billion
NY State Contribution $600 million (not part of "construction costs" is an additional $280 million for maintenance over 30 years)
NFL & Bills Contribution $550 million
Erie County Contribution $250 million
SUB TOTAL Contribution $1.4 Billion
Pegulas are responsible for any and all cost over runs....currently at $300 million and rising.
Projected to raise $200 million in PSL's
So they’ll end up paying 5 to 10% of the stadium cost?
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2 hours ago, djp14150 said:
Recall KC trade up with buffalo…..
10 for 27+ late 3rd+1st following year
Wow.
I forgot how badly KC fleeced us on that one.
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On 3/20/2024 at 2:22 PM, papazoid said:
PFF rank #118 of 130 interior defenders (DT's)....not good
#16 Arik Armstead
#44 Ed Oliver
#64 Sebastian Joseph Day
#81 Tim Settle
#118 Austin Johnson
#129 Jordan Phillips
The Bills could sign a backup long-snapper named Alex Falaffigonobonowitz that no-one has ever heard of, and had an incredible blunder in his only snap ever in the NFL, and there would still be fans here talking like “It’s not hard to see that we got better with this move. Great depth. What a solid signing. Beane strikes again”.
I want whatever LSD these fans put in their morning coffee.
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1 hour ago, Success said:
Wow, are those ever purposely negative characterizations.
I simply write the truth of a situation. If it is positive - like last year - then i write about how happy I am with the improvements we made.
When there is little positive, I write about that as well.
1 hour ago, Success said:You left out the players we re-signed.
Re-signing who we already had is important - but it doesnt improve the team. It keeps the team stagnant at that position (which is a good thing if you're re-signing a good player).
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4 minutes ago, K-9 said:
He is not a DE, although he has played it in 34 alignments. He’s a solid backup to Jones with position versatility in a pinch. Given what we saw when Jones got injured last season, we’ve upgraded the depth at a critical spot.
You didn't answer the question. PFF watched every snap of his and ranked him as one of the worst in the entire NFL. And judging by his pitiful contract, there was little market for him outside of a 1 year prove-it deal.
There is zero evidence that we upgraded depth here, as there is little evidence that he is better than who he replaced.-
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2 hours ago, Success said:
I expected nothing this FA period - we started out $40M+ over cap.
Beane has done a great job filling holes & setting us up for another season of being a contender.
The only way anyone could be happy with this Free Agency is if they expected literally nothing (as you said). As in, they somehow expected us to field a team of 42 players instead of 53.
We have acquired:
- Curtis Samuel- A defensive tackle with one of the worst possible grades you could ever imagine (Johnson)
- A LB whose former teams fans were celebrating him leaving (Morrow)- A backup center
- Mitch Trubisky
Maybe I missed someone?
We have signed scrap heap players.-
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1 hour ago, K-9 said:
Sneaky good signing.
He has one of the worst PFF grades in the entire NFL.
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We are 2 years past due. Yes.
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16 hours ago, GunnerBill said:
I don't feel great that the Championship window is very wide for us in 2024… I think an AFCCG in 2024 would probably be a bit of overachievement.
Agreed.
I think is likely our weakest roster since 2020.
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8 minutes ago, K-9 said:
So it’s a bad thing that he made commitments in the revitalization of Harbor Center with various construction projects and the hundreds of jobs that generated? He didn’t have to do that.
The funniest thing they did was give that presentation to all of their employees telling them that they need to increase their productivity so that the Pegula's billionaire lifestyle didn't take any hits. -
13 minutes ago, Jrb1979 said:
IMO part of raising the price is to eliminate the college tailgating atmosphere
Yeah, I don't think Pegula cares about that. In fact, his wife loves that tailgating atmosphere.
What they want from raising prices is MONEY.-
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10 minutes ago, mrags said:
I mean yeah, there isn’t going to be a Waldorf being built in OP. But I’m willing to bet something similar to a Hilton garden inn, or Marriot courtyard will be built near there.
I accept your bet.
I don't see why any Marriot or Hilton would build in OP because of 8 days of business per year. It is simply not how business decisions are made. Especially with the Hamptons flanking the area in Hamburg and East Aurora, but never full (non-stop vacancies). -
2 minutes ago, Jrb1979 said:
My response was for @mrags saying how they are going to change the experience and eventually adding restaurants in the area.
As far as Cleveland goes, while they still tailgate, it's less a college feel to it. You don't hear of idiots like you do in Buffalo with the table slamming
You haven't been to a Cleveland, have you? There was a recent story about a Cleveland tailgater in the hospital due to jumping off of a tailgate bus. And there was a massive brawl that became national news at a Cleveland tailgate a year or two ago. -
1 minute ago, Jrb1979 said:
Wow. I get it, you and most others hate that you're getting priced out. I'm happy cause Buffalo is finally moving out of the blue collar era. Even Cleveland has upgraded.
I'm not sure what you mean. I don't own seasons anymore and am not interested in them. You stated that you are looking forward to hotels and restaurants and bars and I was letting you know that there is nothing that hints at this happening. No large chain will build based off 8 days of business a year. Not sure why even a local restaurant would build there for 8 days of business. It makes no fiscal sense, which probably explains why we see no permits being pulled around the stadium for any of these.
Ps, the Cleveland Browns stadium is still very blue collar and tailgates similarly to Buffalo.
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PSL Pricing/Seat Selection Discussion
in The Stadium Wall
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Guilty as well.