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Don't blame Josh on that - he was trying to get down.

Richardson had a concussion check. Not sure if he's back in the game.

That was awful by Josh - Diggs free at the back, and a guy to his right.

Let's just be thankful he's finding a Bills receiver at the moment.

They might get fined for it after the game. 😉

You might want to stay in the bathroom - 7-0 down.

Last thing Josh needs is going on the field seven points down. Come on, defense!

Josh?

Me neither. But as long as the Bills can stay in touch it's about the finish, not the start.

This is the flattest I've felt going into a Bills game for quite some while. Last week was very concerning and, even if lessons are learned today, will they be long term. Important thing, even more important than the win possibly, is Josh looking like his old self. Elite isn't necessarily required at this stage, but compotent is.

I have no issue with Dorsey's play calling. He gave Josh options on Monday and, if he'd have taken them, it would have been an easy win for the Bills. It was much the same last year. My greater concern is the way things are communicated with Josh, and how he has helped through Sugar High moments. Certainly there seems to be a lack of presence on the sidelines. As for Sunday, I think Josh is going to go two ways - either force it again to prove he can do it, which may or may not pay off but in reality won't be any different to the Jets game, or go ultra conservative and defensive to protect the ball which again may or may not pay off, but won't be 'him'.

Agreed. Still hope he's gone through concussion protocol after Monday.

Both can be true. There seems to be a desperation to set things out one way or another. He DOES do stupid things, and gets bored with the dink and dunk. That doesn't take away that he COULD have been concussed Monday night. And the stats from before and after the second hit are quite startling. That doesn't mean they shouldn't go in hard on him (in a way it sinks in) about his decision making, but I hope they've put him through concussion protocol as well.

I think this is a very valid point. Either way, Dorsey won't be with the Bills for long unless he becomes HC. He'll succeed and become a HC in his own right, or fail and be fired. It was only because Josh took, and was given, time to develop that Daboll hung around for so long.

No reason he can't be both.

Though they didn't call Josh into the blue tent so how do they know if he was concussed or not? Guess either they didn't see it or thought the hit wasn't hard enough to warrant a review.

I think someone on here pointed out after the game that Josh hit his head/was hit on the head three times during the game. I think the rest of us (me included) were so wrapped up in the sporting disaster which had just occured that we didn't really take it on board or consider it. I've lost track but I think the video in the OP is of the second hit. Maybe he was fine. And, as said before, Josh has a record of bad plays when he hasn't been hit on the head. But I do wish they had treated him in the same way Jimmy G was against the Broncos - withdraw him and have him assessed before returning if cleared.

That's fair enough but there are loads of threads dissecting where Josh's issues lie and what he needs to do to fix it. At the same time, he has the talent to pull himself out of the funk, and let's hope the Jets game marked rock bottom. The only way is up.

Either way it's bad. He wasn't concussed and he played bad football or he was concussed and no one pulled him out of the game. The video does offer a possible concussion possibility and, even if he wasn't, he may have still be shaken up for the next play. But at the same time, he's made plays like the three interceptions and fumble when he hasn't hit his head so still needs to learn.

Not that I want to go down talking about Monday night on this thread (there are 5000 other threads on here for that) but I think he may need to talk to remind himself at half time as well to stay in the right mindset.

Well, the positivity lasted for long...

We seem to be under a deluge of Josh Allen threads and none of them particularly positive, so thought to draw one up. He has the talent to recover from Monday and, to be honest, due to the interceptions and fumble it's easy to forget there was some patented Josh magic as well, plus signs he can "take what is given" as well. This week he's been under negative scrutiny from all quarters - previous players, the media, us, possibly the coaches and team mates as well. But he has the skill to still take us all the way. After the dissection, let's get behind him and show some faith. It's a long season and a lot can and will happen from this point onwards. Someone posted that Daboll sat down with Josh after a previous wobble and showed him some of the great plays he has made to restore his confidence. Maybe doing similar on here will help settle us down - so to start, here's some of his best plays from 2022...

Agreed, but what is happening on the sidelines? It could be selective shots, but every time after a bad play Josh seems to be alone. If so, why? If he has dealt with things better that way before, it doesn't appear to be working now. Instead he seems to be spiralling thanks to his thoughts. Who is there to try and stop it happening? Am I right in saying Dorsey cannot even communicate with Josh if he takes his helmet off? Before he had Dorsey and, as he wasn't calling defense, McDermott to an extent. Who's there now? There's no replacement for McDermott and is Brady having the required impact?

Dorsey's 42 so the age gap is greater. Plus he was with Daboll and has helped overseen Josh's progression from 2019 onwards, so had Daboll for support for the first two years. Brady only came in last year.

I just read on another thread about a lot of the players on the offensive side of the ball wanting Dorsey in the booth as he was too emotional on the sidelines. Maybe that should be the ultimate threat to Josh - one more chance to get it right or Dorsey returns as he was better with him there. And everyone will know who to blame.