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2 minutes ago, Gigs said:
going into that draft I felt he'd make a better FS)
I would love to see Elam given a shot at FS
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Allen wanted Dorsey as well.
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I'm finding it a little amusing how many posters are talking about McBeane's D obsession, when considering that the Bills brain trust has given Josh a ton of skill help early in the last 3 drafts. Each time is was a position that Beane had never targeted early in the draft in his tenure.
2022 - They drafted Cook in the 2nd rd (pick 63). Cook was known as a good receiver out of the backfield and caught 80% of his targets last year. Prior to Cook, the highest Beane drafted a RB was 3rd rd picks Singletary and Moss. He also added Shakir in the 5th and that seems to be working out ok so far.
2023 - Beane drafted Kincaid (TE) at 25 and then added a starting OG in Torrence in the 2nd (pick 59). Prior to 2023 the highest TE was Knox (3rd rd pick 96th).
2024 - This year Beane takes a WR Coleman with the Bills first pick at 33. Davis was the highest drafted Bill WR under Beane prior and was a 4th rd selection.
Of his premium picks (rounds 1-3), Beane has favored D slightly (11 to 9), but overall he has made 23 O picks to 22 D picks with 2 specialists. Sorry, but I'm not seeing much bias here, but I am seeing a change to finally getting some talented skill help for Josh.
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Beane has been very forthright about the Bills draft this year. He said there were only 25 or so players with first rd grades and when one wasn’t there at 28 he traded down. He said he was going to add DT help and did.
Safety was also an obvious need with only 3 on the roster and both projected starters were backups last season. Beane filled this obvious need with a very talented player who he probably had inside scoop on because of his Utes teammate Kincaid.
However Beane also said, if my memory serves, that the Bills passing game needed more explosive plays and someone who could stretch the field. Instead he drafts a player who ran 4.61 at the combine. This is where the disappointment comes in. Beane set the expectations and then to all appearances didn’t deliver.
I’m not a fan of the Coleman pick. However, I do trust Beane and there is reason to hope. First, Beane said we need to be better at contested catches and Coleman does that well. We also need bigger targets who make plays in the red zone and Coleman does that as well. @Big Turk also pointed out Coleman 20 mph in game speed. This is Nacua type in game speed and we know how that turned out.
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41 minutes ago, Big Turk said:
The one thing that stands out is that Coleman reached the top speed of any WR in the last 2 years in the gauntlet drill at 20.36 mph.
35 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:That isn't a surprise because he looks at his fastest to me ball in hand dodging traffic. My worry is not about how he timed or tested. It is about the lack of separation outside on the film.
I am not a fan of the Coleman pick. The WR draftee was, I thought, intended to be about explosive plays and stretching the field. Coleman doesn’t do either of those things.
That said, thanks Turk for the in game speed info. This stat is what separated Nacua last year in the NFL and maybe that’s where the explosive plays will come from. I also like the fact he does catch TDs. The speed stats makes me feel better about the pick, but I still worry, as Gunner, does about the lack of separation in his route running.
I’m hopeful for a 2nd WR in the 5th rd today. Tez Walker has decent size and good speed. I would mind the Bills taking a flyer on him.
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22 minutes ago, HappyDays said:
On reflection I don't mind this pick so much. The one that still really bothers me is Cole Bishop, and that pick I think makes the DeWayne Carter pick look worse by association. Drafting a safety in the 2nd round was just not smart resource management, it undermines some of the shrewdness that Beane has shown this offseason, and it contributes to a general feeling that the Bills have neglected to really invest in their franchise QB.
A bunch of solid OL came off the board right after that pick, including one taken by our main rival. That is where the value lied at that spot in the draft. Safeties are almost as devalued as RBs at this point. Next year Spencer Brown might get priced off of the team and we'll be scrambling for a replacement at the last minute because Beane and McDermott couldn't help themselves.
It just demonstrates such short term thinking and that's why I hate it. Worst of all it continues a pattern of short term thinking with our 2nd round picks which means Beane hasn't learned anything from past mistakes.
I understand this take, but I’m going to respectfully disagree. The Bills are starting Rapp and Edwards at S right now. Both were backups last season. In addition Hamlin is the only other S on the roster. These facts make safety a more pressing need. There is also a reasonable chance that Bishop might
beat out one of them for a starting job.
Brown is a starter and they seem to like Van Denmark as his backup. In addition Chris Jones is still available in this draft.
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Serious question; wasn't the biggest issues with our passing game the lack of explosive plays and receivers who could stretch the field? How exactly does Coleman solve either of those issues? At least he does catch TDs.
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ESPN's best available. https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft/bestavailable
Top Corners- TJ Tampa - 46th overall - they compare him to Kaiir Elam (nooooooooooo!); Cam Hart (82nd), Draine (92nd), K Jackson (102nd)
Top WRs - Franklin (73rd), Rice (81st), Baker (87th) & Walker (91st), Washington (99), J Wilson (100), Means (134)
Top Edge - Booker (83rd), Brennan Jackson (115th), Ced Johnson (120), Kamara (126), Hall (135)
Top C - Van Pran (105th), Bortolini (117th), Nourzad (130)
Top RBs - Wright (97th), Davis (129), Allen (142), Guerendo (146)
Top OT - Chris Jones (84th), Foster (107),
Top DT - Dorius (79th) - kind of a combo DT/Edge, Wingo (88)
Top S - Hicks (59th), Demerson (119th)
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19 minutes ago, OldNMBillsFan said:
I Call BS, You did not join this site until 2021
So I was supposed to join the board in 1969 when I was 3? I mean seriously, what does when I joined the board have anything to do when I became a Bills fan?
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1 minute ago, OldNMBillsFan said:
This is no longer a message board.
Just curious, how long have you been a Bills Fan?
My first game was OJ's first game at the rock pile.
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14 minutes ago, Dr.Mantis_Toboggan said:
Keon Coleman - 6’3 213lbs 4.61 40 yd dash 10.54 Split 38in vertical 10’7 Broad
Terrell Owens - 6’3 213lbs 4.63 40 yd dash 10.58 Split 30in vertical 10ft Broad
The more I read up on Coleman and the way he plays the game, using his size and elite athleticism to beat defenders, it appears he and the Bills legend could indeed be cut from the same cloth.
Looking at those numbers, quite literally the same exact cloth…
Had no idea Keon was essentially a T.O. clone with better hops until 15 minutes ago when I looked up both of their combine numbers and then I was like “Holy Shnikees, Big Baller Beane did it again!”. Time to stock up on 🍿 🍿 🍿.Different era of football, but if Coleman gives us 55 catches for 829 yards and 5 TDs next season like TO did in his one year in Buffalo, I think we'd all be thrilled.
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The Bills have had success in day 3 under Beane. Benford, Shakir, Davis, Teller (oops!), T Johnson, Dane Jackson, Neal, Hamlin, Bass & Spector are all 3rd day selection. McD helped grab Milano as well in the 5th. Milano, Shakir, Johnson and Benford are all critical pieces for the Bills next season.
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5 minutes ago, OldNMBillsFan said:
I am amazed by the number of haters of this pick and self-proclaimed brilliance in the evaluation of NFL talent. I will admit, it is out of my scope to evaluate talent in the NFL. So, I leave it to those who get paid to do it. Mel Kiper had Keon as the 2nd day best receiver available and the third best available overall.
I look at the haters of this pick and I laugh at superiority complex. What makes them think they are a better evaluation of talent than Bean and Kipler? You look like fools to me, or on Kraft's payroll trolling here. Drink your beer and keep your mouth shut.
It's better to keep your mouth shut and thought of as a fool than open it and remove all doubt.
I trust the process.
Go Bills!!!
Wow. I guess that means we don’t need a message board anymore.
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A couple of trade ideas
1) 144 & 163 to Chicago for 122 (and maybe a late asset in 2025)
2) 128, 141 & 204 to Min for 108 & 177
This would leave us with
108, 122, 160, 177, & 221
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Potential trade partners tomorrow (actually later today)
Car - owns pick 101, but no picks again until 157 and then 200
Chi - owns 122 and nothing else
NYG - owns 107 and then nothing until 166 & 183
Sea - Owns 102 & 118, and then nothing until 179
TB - Owns 125 and then nothing until 220
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So how about that DeWayne Carter. I hear he is pretty good.
I like this pick. I’ve seen him ranked as high as 79th.
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Why the stated needs
CB - a possible replacement for Douglas
OT - possible replacement for Brown
Edge - possible replacement for Von Miller
RB - backup and change of pace for Cook
C - insurance if McGovern does work out at C or Edwards isn’t good enough to start at guard
WR - I have no faith in our depth after Shakir and Samuel. I also hate the Coleman pick.
Possible surprise need - TE - Knox could be gone after this season and I’m not impressed with Morris. -
1 minute ago, Dr. Who said:
I just assumed Van Pran was gone. Walker in the fourth, okay.
Guerendo or Braelon Allen at RB. I wouldn't mind Kendall Milton later in the draft.
I’m honestly shocked Van Pran and Walker are still on the board. I’m also surprised OT Christian Jones is still available.
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Kind of sad Beane didn’t find a way back into the 3rd. Hopefully he can maneuver up to the top of the 4th. Still need a potential Miller replacement.
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There are a couple of guys I’ve been looking at that I think can help our team that are still on the board
C - Sedric Van Pran (Yes, I’m a UGA fan, but he is a very good center)
WR - Tez Walker - Decent size and excellent speed.
RB - Isaac Guerendo - 6’ 220 and ran a 4.33 40 at the combine. 99 athleticism score at the combine.
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7 more picks to go.
1 - 4th - 128
4- 5th - 141, 144, 160 & 163
1 - 6th - 204
1 - 7th - 221
I doubt Beane makes all these picks. Given the FA signings, I’m not sure we have room for 10 rookies. Last year we sent two 7th rd picks to the practice squad and lost them both. I’m also still hoping for a trade up to the top of the 4th.
Needs: Edge, CB, RB, OL & WR
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Bold prediction: This kid will be outperformed by the 2nd receiver we draft on Saturday.
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I wonder if Beane asked Kincaid about Bishop?
I like this pick a ton more than the awful Coleman pick.
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15 hours ago, BobbyC81 said:
The NFL Comp for McConkey is EJ Moore, which doesn’t excite me.
The comp to Ladd is Diggs, except Ladd is much faster.
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What can we expect on day 3?
in The Stadium Wall
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Correct!