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Who from 2024 was worth drafting starting with the Bishop pick? Jalen McMillan, who played third fiddle to Evans and Godwin? No one else after pick 35 has done anything at WR... Who from 2023? Puka, but everyone missed on him. The only other outside threat that was taken after pick 55 with any value is Michael Wilson. Anyone who was productive from the second round on in 23 is primary slot. That's Shakir's spot. That's kind of Beane's point. It's not really gold you are trying to hit. It's the rarest gems you can try to find. There has been 1 legit top 2 WR taken in 23 or 24 after pick 40 - Nacua. You want to risk 2 picks a year on having a 5% chance at landing a decent boundary WR? That's bad asset management. What Beane needs to do is prepare the roster so he can take a 2nd or 3rd and trade for a guy who needs a new deal soon. That opportunity should open up after this season.

I spend all day building AI tools lol - arguing with it is a daily task! 2023 was college, where there was reference to him lining up outside 70% of the time. Last year, his production came within the slot, and as @GunnerBill has mentioned in other threads in the past, LA continued to put him there even though they had terrible outside options; because he is the most effective in the slot and not a true boundary option

In the NFL, when you referenced to their production differences, Ladd is a slot guy. I mean engaged like willing to attack and be more forceful, not physically engaged. I agree, he is consistently engaged with defenders, just not the meaning of the word I intended. Coming back from his injury, he was not attacking the football like he was during the first 5-6 weeks of the year where he was semi-productive against draft position

Ladd is a slot receiver only. He is not and will not be an outside vertical threat. They believe Coleman will be that. Sam Laporta's year last year was just like Kincaid's rookie year (barring TDs, which are always too fluctuating to be relevant in trend discussions). I understand being disappointed - but that's not what you said. You said "miss" The players still had moments and can be contributing players. That's not a miss. If the goal for a pick is to be better than every single pick after you, every GM will fail almost every year. Compare Allen to Jackson - we traded up twice to take a guy who has less MVPs than the guy we could've selected at 23... There was one receiver drafted after Keon who outproduced him prior to injury - Ladd. Who is a slot guy There was one TE who outproduced Kincaid - Laporta, who was part of the best designed and staffed offense in the league That doesn't make both guys misses If he was where Bishop was selected last year I would've been fine with his rookie season. I think when engaged, he can go up and pluck the ball better than most. It's the other things that he needs to work on.

Wild take. Caught unprepared when Diggs left? They literally were the ones that decided to do it. Kincaid had a bad second year but a great rookie year. Coleman had a solid start, and then fractured his wrist and missed a chunk of time… cmon now

Averaging 5 yards a carry and 15 a catch with a 60% catch rate while taking kickoff responsibility as needed, playing special teams, and being a prime blocker? And Allen was effusive in his praise and calls him the best 3rd down back in the league? Just tell us you don’t understand key player

So you don’t understand how effective Ty Johnson was for this team last year. could’ve just said that I tried a conversation but… yea

What's funny, is the Bills signed Leonard Floyd who was a solid player in June of 2023... And signed Ty Johnson in August of 2023... So the idea from the other poster that you can't find key players is funny. Both those guys were solid players for the Bills.

Totally understand. I decided to listen to the show prior to Beane and they went back to the lack of WR picks several times in the 90 minutes prior, spending very little time on the actual selections in the draft.

White's solution last year was trade 2 firsts + for Rome Odunze, who had 54 catches on 101 targets for 734 yards and 3 TDs. OR, trade a first and second for Aiyuk and give him a fat contract, who blew his ACL Yea, this guys knows receivers!!

Defense allowed Mahomes to have his best offensive performance of the year against them. The D allowed 13 seconds. Memory must be short if you just remember a drop or missed field goal here or there. The defense (and not just the production, but the age of the core) was an issue and needed to be addressed. They need to get younger at CB and D-line. Needed to. And this was the draft to do that.

Yea, I agree it's not Beane's best moment. With that said, Jeremy has access to that PC and Beane's decision making and still spent an hour of the show before Beane went on bashing the WR room. I'm sure it's quite frustrating for him

If that's the case, most stats then are not applicable and the entire conversation moves to eye test. The production of the statistic is the rate at which the QB scrambles outside of the tackles on a passing play. I'm not sure how "not exactly consistent" applies there. Allen - from the statistics available at current time - does not leave the pocket at a significant measure. Not 70% like you exaggerated, not heavily above average. 3% above average. That's very slight. Allen is REALLY GOOD at creating outside of the pocket, but that doesn't mean he leaves the pocket at a higher rate than others. I agree that Allen is the engine of the offense, which is why Beane has invested in an o-line that by statistics is very good and provides strong pass protection. In addition, he made an o-line that is very good with their running game, and forces defenses to respect the run.

I mean... the 2023 and 2024 stats I could find point to him being in a clean pocket at an above average rate, and him staying in the pocket at a slightly below average rate. That's not even addressing the situation of designed plays where allen moves with the line, which I know the Bills like to pull their tackles for RPOs. I understand the feeling that Allen leaves the pocket a lot and is forced out, but frankly the statistics measure him at an average rate.

The only thing I would say, if I had to choose something around the WR room to criticize Beane about - I really wanted Darnell Mooney last year and felt he would be a true #2 WR. We went with Samuel at a much lower rate, but I was comfortable paying a bit more for Mooney. Otherwise, I dont really see too much to argue with Beane about when it comes to his receiver approach. Maybe taking Ladd over Coleman, or potentially bringing someone else in FA. But when you see what the FA WRs are getting from bad teams, I'm not shocked Beane has instead focused towards other positions where you can obtain good talent without breaking the bank