Bob in STL

No. Win on Sunday starting on September 12th.

Butkus was dominant at his position and deserves to be there. Sounds like you never saw him play? If I were a GM and Joe Greene, John Hannah, and Walter Jones were all on the draft board I would pick Joe Greene and I would sprint to the podium to do it. Don't get me wrong, Hannah and Jones were great players but Greene was a game changer. Larry Allen? I have to chuckle at that one.

I lived there for a year. I must say, #2 at what? It was pretty bland back then ... loaded with subsidized pre-planned neighborhoods and overpriced town houses in 1992.

You are wrong at so many levels. His size, his pass defense skills, the fan favorite bit, the issues with the law, durability. Pretty much everything you said is 100% wrong. Congrats for your consistency!

OJ belongs on this list. He was the player of the decade for the 70's and the 70's made the NFL.

Being concerned about this will benefit no one. Torbor is a veteran who has proven he can get the job done. Maybin is 22, came out of school too early, and is still developing both physically and mentally.

Promo I enjoy your posts but you have got to be careful. This team is rebuilding and has serious depth and experience issues. The OL is still very questionable until proven otherwise. The defensive front seven is unproven in playing a new scheme. The QB situation is also questionable. We shall see this year if Edwards is ever going to develop, be a leader, and throw the dam ball down the field. We have a roster full of players that are used to losing and have not figured out how to win close games. I can see 8 or 9 wins if all questionable areas turn out for the best. Realistically I think that it is very possible that this team plays better than last year and still only wins 4 or 5 games.

He has to have some kind of trademark? Maybe it will be playing tough and winning more games.

Agree that we could have a good looking rookie class, just like last year. Being realistic, we are playing rookies because of lack of depth and injuries. Wang only plays if we have injuries to the stellar group that is Bell, Green, Meredith and Chambers. If that happens we are in big trouble. Easley only plays if Johnson, Parish, Jackson don't produce and Hardy gets cuts. I understand that Easley has been looking better than Hardy so he may have seen some playing time. Moats and Batten are mostly likely to play ST. They might be behind undrafted Coleman. Calloway is a back up gaurd and possibly last on the depth chart. If we have 5 rookies playing a lot it is a sign of a weak team that has lots of injuries (see last years addition of the Buffalo Bills).

It matters because the odds are so much better to find a Pro Bowler in the first two rounds vice the UDFA route. I am not sayinag that all round 1 and 2 picks should be pro bowlers but the majority should be starters.

To drag out an old Marvism ... our best rookies this year will be last years rookies. Honestly, did you really expect any of these three to play a major role this season? Spiller will make an impact. Troup will rotate with Williams. Carrington will see playing time, and likely more as the season progresses. After that I don't see much more help from the rookies other than special teams.

Then make a point. The thread is about drafting two rookies high in the draft and then starting them. You brought in the QB analogy. If Smith has a better season then possibly improved OL play has something to do with it? Maybe he has more weapons at the skill positions? Or maybe experience has something to do with it? Maybe even a combination of all three? Anything but "he just decided to get better".

I am waiting for the lets trade Kelsey/Whitner/Lynch for Revis comment.

So if they blow the home opener on a missed extra point what will you think? You want to win? Then you practice everything and you practice it the right way. That includes FGs and extra points under game pressure.

Really? Just decide to be good and that takes care of it. Someone should have told that to Edwards, or Losman, or Bledsoe.

Trent Edwards, Lee Evans, Hangartner, Kyle Williams, Marcus Stroud, Paul Poz, and Donte Whitner .. all of the veterans.

Great news. I still don't get the Whitner bashing. I thought he did a good job in the Tampa 2 and was versitile enough to play both safety positions and nickel CB. Now that he is in a defense that is more suitable to his skills it is great to hear that he will play even better.

So I guess you missed the comment in another thread abotuon "sense of proportion"?

Bell, Wang, Green, Meredith and Chambers. Yes I am very worried about this group. It could be the worst, or should I say least experienced, group of tackles ever assembled for a camp in Bills history. Last year they had veterans Langston Walker, Brad Butler and Jonathan Scott at camp. Walker got cut just weeks prior to the first game. Butler got injured and Chambers, who was also cut, was called back. That was a poor group and we have not done much to improve on it. Wang is a project. Green is maybe a close replacement for Butler. We are banking on Bell and Meredith to improve. Lots of people talking about how we won 6 games last year with this unit. I try to be positive and would like to be surprised by this group but I just don't see it.

Thanks for taking the time to write these reports.

I agree. He has not had anything close to quality coaching or game planning. Just a rapid turnstile of bad coaching on the offense ever since Edwards has been here. Maybe Chan can help him. I hope so.

He should not be banned. He does not use profanity or threaten people.

I read both the transcript and your original post. Your original post left out two key sentences that were brought to light by jw. Can you agree with is?

Not quite. You did not post the exact conversation all. You initially left out several key sentences. It was only after jw went out and the details of the exact conversation did you bother to post it. I don't think Sully should have called you a cretin or banned you. In fact, I don't care much for Sully either. I do think you twisted this thing around to make Sully look bad and now your credibility is in question. Others may disagree but that is how I read it.

I am with you. You cannot lose on purpose in hopes of drafting the next Johnny Unitas. This team needs to learn how to win. Actually, they need to learn to hate losing.