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3 minutes ago, Patrick Duffy said:

Yes, if it can be done without putting team in a tough position. He's not just going to give AZ anything they ask for. There's a process and it can take a while sometimes. You just want things done immediately no matter what.

 

It doesn't work that way

That’s not what I want, I just don’t want AZ to get mad with us and then decide they don’t want to deal with us or give him to another team. They ultimately control where Hopkins goes. We need Hopkins, we desperately need another offensive weapon to compete against KC/Cinci. Negotiating over picks or salary eating is stupid. I’m not saying to give whatever they want, but it sounds like what AZ is asking for isn’t totally outrageous. It just sounds like Beane is trying to nickel and dime when this situation doesn’t call for that. It’s his job to upgrade and just get on with it, even if that means compromising more than what he thinks is “fair” . 

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3 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:

This thread has turned into aisle 4 at a local grocery store where a kid is threatening to hold his breath if his mom doesn’t buy him that box of Lucky Charms.

LOL imagine getting mad at fans that want to win Super Bowls. Running it back is not a recipe for winning a super bowl when we proved the roster wasn’t good enough to beat Cinci when it mattered. We have to continue getting better, and so far no moves have been made that shows me we’ve upgraded past KC/Cinci. 

Hopkins is a defacto upgrade, and it proves to me we are trying to get better. As a fan, that’s all I can ask for, moves that show me you are trying to get better. 

6 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Might as well trade Josh Allen away. He doesn’t guarantee anything either.

So far, Beane has proven that we don’t deserve Josh Allen. We have barely done anything outside of Diggs to help him, it’s always been about what McD wants on defense. I honestly feel bad for him. 

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3 minutes ago, Patrick Duffy said:

If it's what's best for the team it matters. We all want to win a Super Bowl. 

What does that honestly mean? Would trading for Hopkins not be what is best for the team, even if it means doing restructures or moving on from other value pieces like Oliver? It’s about risk reward. It’s about providing our best asset (Josh Allen), with multiple weapons to get us a super bowl victory. I don’t see how running it back on offense is what’s best for the team. Explain how fielding a same offensive roster is better than trading for Hopkins if that means eating his salary. 

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3 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

I hate to break this to you
 

Terry and Kim Pegula personally don’t give a ***** what you think

 

They put a winning product on the field, and the city of Buffalo loves them for it

 

Period

Well they should care what I think, because I’m the one giving them money for putting a “winning” product on the field. I’m paying them to win a super bowl, that’s it. If they can’t bring one in under Allen, then I’m likely done being a fan and giving them my money. If you guys want to be a fan of mediocrity, have fun with that. 

I lurked during the drought years, I refused to give Ralph money for being mediocre. Then the Pegula’s came along and I thought things have changed for the better, then we got Allen and I’ve been supportive ever since. My ultimatum with the Pegulas is a super bowl under Allen’s tenure. If they fail, I will be going back to lurking and not a paying fan until changes are made. 

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Just now, John from Riverside said:

Well, I agree with you on the sad bills fan part

LOL imagine thinking wanting to win a super bowl is such a “terrible” want for a Bills fan. Sue me, I want to win a super bowl. 

Just now, Patrick Duffy said:

Really! Lol, it absolutely does matter. He is the GM of this franchise and his job. We can question some of his decisions, but in the end what he believes is better for the franchise both short and long term factors in those decisions. Fans be damned

GM’s need to understand it doesn’t matter what they want. They work for the owners who ultimately have to work for the fans because the fans are what makes the NFL. It’s sad to see so many fans simp and accept just being entertained. Some fans don’t even care about winning a super bowl, they are just happy watching football. It’s one of the reasons why my passion for being a Bills fan is dwindling somewhat. For me it’s about winning a super bowl, and the Pegula’s have been pretty adamant about being an endless check writer. So I don’t blame ownership at all currently. Right now my blame lies solely on Beane for failing to win a super bowl. If Beane trades for Hopkins, it will dramatically shift my perceptions about him. It will show to me that he understands where the issues are and he’s doing everything he can to make it happen. 

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1 minute ago, John from Riverside said:

Not buying it

Ultimately does it really matter if you buy it or not? Nothing we say or do on here matters one iota to management or to other fans. I’m just a sad Bills fan tired of losing and never winning a super bowl. 

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Just now, John from Riverside said:

I find it amusing. Do you say nobody would care if we won a Super Bowl and then we sucked
 

You would be the lead poster complaining about how much we sucked and didn’t repeat and you know it

Nope, I’ve said win one before I die since I’ve been a Bills fan. I mean it. Yeah it would be really nice to win multiple Super Bowls, but I just want to get the first one so we can stop obsessing over the failure. It will be a huge relief turning point for the fan base. 

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1 minute ago, Scott7975 said:

 

Yeah but you miss the point of they might not have.  Signing Hopkins doesnt guarantee anything.  He could blow an ACL, we could lose in the playoffs to a bad ref call, someone can make a 13 sec mistake.  Anything can happen to ruin those plans.

But at least it indicates that they are trying everything they possibly can. It’s better than sitting on their hands and running it back. Running it back and failing again is way worse than gambling on an elite piece and failing again. I can accept the latter, but I will not accept the former. 

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Just now, Scott7975 said:

 

It does matter though. Over paying for someone that is this old can ruin the team.  Look at the Rams.  Yeah they won the SB but they were terrible last year and now they are blowing it up because they have no resources.  They are going to be terrible for a while.  

 

Sure, you can say "who cares they won the bowl," but what if they didnt?  It took a lot of luck for them to do that. One play going the wrong way and they might not have even made the SB and they would still be where they are now... a bad team thats going to be bad for a while.  Why you think their coach considering retirement?  Cus his team is going to be dumpster fire and he doesnt want to deal with it.

 

That can happen to us... make a bad decision, dont get the luck to win the whole thing, blow the team up, team is bad for years to come.  Ours wont be as bad because Allen is not a decrepid broken Stafford but it still wont be wc fodder if they have to blow up.

They won a super bowl. That is all that matters. Winning a super bowl. Nobody is going to care if we suck for 2 years after a super bowl, because we still have Josh Allen that we can eventually reload around. First thing is first winning a super bowl, you can’t win multiple Super Bowls if you don’t get the first one done. 

3 minutes ago, Patrick Duffy said:

 

Don't know what's going on. That may be silly, stupid, and doesn't matter to you, but I'm pretty sure it matters to Beane

It doesn’t matter what matters to Beane, the only thing that matters is what matters to the fans. We pay for the show, and it’s about doing what the fans want. The NFL doesn’t exist without the fans. Beane needs to understand that. His job is to win a super bowl for the fans, no matter if Beane likes certain moves or not. 

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Just now, Buffalo03 said:

What would irritate me is, if Dhop gets traded to the Chiefs or somewhere for a 4th rounder and we backed out of something like that. I hope this isn't some nickle and diming thing where we won't go past like a 5th and lose out because of it 

This is my major fear. Something like that would be the last straw for me. I could never support Beane again if that were to happen. 

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Just now, Patrick Duffy said:

 

Well  yeah, don't you think he's doing just that? I mean if the reports we have seen are true, then clearly Beane is interested and is doing what he can 

But we have be supposedly interested for a week now. What is the hold up? If it’s silly negotiations over value or salary eating, that is just stupid. It doesn’t matter at this point in time. 

Just now, Scott7975 said:

 

I know you are excited but you do know that Beane isnt reading any of your posts right?  I'm pretty sure if Beane thinks he can make it work he will.  He aint the type thats going to overpay for someone.  This stuff takes time.

I just say it out of excitement, I’m not expecting Beane to do anything, because I don’t think he has what it takes to get us a super bowl. I’m hoping he proves me wrong though by trading for Hopkins. 

Overpaying is just a silly argument right now, nobody is going to give two spits if it’s a 1st round this year or next year and eating salary. Nobody. Because it will likely mean we win a super bowl this year. 

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Give the fans what they want!!!

 

 

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I can understand being concerned about 1st and 2nd round picks when a team is rebuilding and trying to become a contender. We have already reached that point and then some. There are only so many places that we can truly upgrade that would pay dividends. Another star WR is one of those places. To me it’s just an easy decision. We are here, and we are ready to make these power moves now, when you are a piece away, this is the time to do these kind of “reckless” maneuvers. 

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Just now, Governor said:

Evans could be available kinda maybe.

 

Yeah, like I said earlier Hopkins/Evans are the type of receivers that would elevate our team. The thing with Evans though, is he has an even higher cap hit. I don’t know if we can make that work, it’s even harder than making Hopkins work. 

2 minutes ago, Patrick Duffy said:

 

 

That's where the negotiation comes in. If a 2nd pick is traded (for example), then that would require AZ to eat some of that money. If something like a 4th-5th round pick then likely they would  take on less or any of that money.

 

If that is indeed what is going with all this, but your guess is good as mine

I’ve been thinking about this the whole last few days. I just can’t honestly think of a decent reason to explain the hold up. I understand the negotiation stand point, but it’s really just splitting hairs. Nobody is really going to care either way, I mean sure some fans will initially be sour about the compensation, but they will get over it when we are the greatest show on Earth this season. 

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3 minutes ago, Patrick Duffy said:

 

Speaking for myself, I can't really argue with you here either. I would do 2nd rounder if needed especially (JMO) this draft doesn't really look very impressive to me. But yeah, also if giving a 2nd rd pick I'd assume that would mean AZ eats some of that money.

It’s honestly so hard to gauge what is going on behind the scenes, because there is virtually little information out there. I have no idea what AZ is even asking for. But if I’m Beane, I’m trying to do what I can to land him, because this is probably the best chance to win a super bowl. 

Think about it, our main problem down the stretch was Diggs not getting targets and thusly moving the ball down the field. He was often times doubled, and Davis couldn’t win his matchups enough to breakthrough. We have done nothing this offseason to address this #1 issue. Because it is an issue, we can’t just run it back going into the season and expecting better results, that would be a sign of a GM that just doesn’t get it. 

Let’s just say Beane decides not to trade for Hopkins but instead takes a WR in round 1 in the draft. How much is is honestly going to play considering how reluctant McD is with playing rookies? Let’s say we draft one and he puts up 800 yards this season (fairly reasonable for a rookie), is that enough to win the arms race against KC/Cinci? We don’t really have the time at the moment to wait for a WR to develop into a 1B unless we are absolutely positive a 1B is going to be there at #27. 

Hopkins is an immediate 1B option with ample 1,000 yard seasons and he still commands double teams regularly. These are solid numbers despite not playing with a WR or Diggs caliber. 

For me it’s a no brainer, go get Hopkins and head into the draft and dedicate it for the oline and a LB. 

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Just now, Buffalo03 said:

I think it's a mix of both, compensation and the fact that the team trading for him wants them to eat about half of his salary and the Cardinals are refusing

Even if AZ won’t eat the salary, we should still do it. Make room if we have too, we can, I’ve played around with cap numbers. It would likely mean moving on from Oliver and a few more restructures but it’s doable. There is no one else that is realistically to be had of Hopkins caliber. Who is going to care if we have to cut a bunch of people in 2024 if we don’t have room for any more restructures if we win a super bowl this season? Nobody. 

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I mean why are we even playing these silly argumentative value games? If AZ is asking for a 2nd rounder, do it, make it a 2024 if you have to. Just do it. If we don’t land Hopkins, who is realistically available to be had at roughly the same talent level? OBJ? Jeudy? All of them are going to take cap hits and maybe even some picks (Jeudy). I’d rather have Hopkins anyways, because he has a higher double team rate per snap. He’s also never play along side a talent like Diggs, and OBJ has (Kupp) and he still couldn’t breakout. 

It’s Hopkins or Bust, just make it happen, nobody is going to care about some draft pick when we win a super bowl this year. 

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50 minutes ago, Playoffs? said:

Come on Beane!!!  Give your franchise QB what he needs.  And for the love of God, don’t let the Chiefs beat you in the offseason. 

This times a million. I feel like I’m talking to a wall in here, so glad there are others like you that understand it. Why is this so hard? Just do it, even if we have to compromise to AZ’s demands. There is no solid reason why we can’t make this work. 

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2 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said:

 

 

*rEgrESsion*

Wasting Josh Allen’s talents. Not getting Hopkins when he is available would be a crime. Come on Beane, do it! 

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2 minutes ago, Patrick Duffy said:

I fully agree with you that offense needs more.......but everyone has to agree. 

 

So if Hopkins doesn't work out and Beane ends up getting (for ex.) Jeudy instead...I assume since for you it's Hopkins or else ,in your opinion he should still be fired.?

I can accept Jeudy as a consolation prize, at least it means Beane understands the issues. 

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16 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said:

Let me get this straight. 
 

You posted about liking Breece Hall and Tariq Woolen on a message board and that makes you infallible in comparison to a NFL executive of the year winner. 
 

The self-assured hubris you display is unparalleled. 

I would have drafted them. So tell me, who would you rather have on the Bills right now. 
 

Hall and Woolen    OR

 

Elam and Cook

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2 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said:

Lol. Now you’re under the delusion that you are in the position to put ultimatums to people who know more about the business of football than you could learn in 10 lifetimes. 
 

You’ve lost the script.

Beanes track record proves otherwise. While I stand by my Breece Hall and Woolen looks better than what Beane has done. This message board could manage this team better as a whole. I’m not sure Beane has what it takes. Hopkins proves to me that he does and I’m willing to wait it out. 

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1 minute ago, JoPoy88 said:

ridiculous. You are way too invested in this idea (and that’s all it was/is, an idea.) Fire the guy on the spot, huh? Without knowing any of the demands or the course of the negotiations? Yeah sure. 
 

worst kind of Bills fan guy. Don’t mind saying it.

I guess you don’t want to win then, ok with just making the playoffs. Ok with getting spanked by KC or Cinci every year when it matters. Well I’m not ok with it and I’m not going to stand for it. Everyone here knows we need a better Oline and a better #2 WR for Allen. We are wasting him. It’s criminal negligence. I honestly feel bad for Allen that we have wasted so much capital on defense just to watch Allen squirm around and watch Diggs get doubled. 
Getting Hopkins proves to me that Beane gets it, and understands what is needed. Otherwise I will just lose total faith in management and that they don’t understand what is needed to win. 

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Just now, Patrick Duffy said:

I doubt it.

I’ve already made the ultimatum a week ago. It’s Hopkins or else. His entire job this offseason should have been prioritizing another weapon for Josh. We are in an arms race with KC/Cinci. If Beane doesn’t realize that’s, then I don’t want him as our GM. 

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1 minute ago, ngbills said:

Hopkins not being a bill would be a big letdown at this point. 

It would be criminal and Beane should be charged. Imagine not getting another 1B WR when they are available. We need this. If he can’t do it, we will find someone that can. 

9 minutes ago, MasterStrategist said:

What some rationale people have said 40 pages ago...

 

To think this started with: a song, orange juice, people following others on social media (who would ever think), and ALOT of information coming from random sources.

 

This will end with @Warriorspikes51 and @IronMaidenBills blaming Beane for not pulling the trigger on this...

 

meanwhile Beane is likely laughing at all the conjecture and will probably laugh it off at his next presser when asked about it.

 

Critical thinking skills are lacking, instesd we have wishful thinking for days on here

If Beane can’t pull this off, he should be fired on the spot. You are the GM, it is your job to make this team better and go after pieces that are needed to win. Period. Go get Hopkins or start looking for another job.