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1 minute ago, Aussie Joe said:

Ok… I don’t want a GM that is just going to pay whatever it takes to acquire players 

95/100 scenarios I agree. But where we are at today, this type of aggression is warranted. Nobody is guarding both Diggs and Hopkins. Beane needs to stop over thinking it and realize that we are unstoppable with Hopkins drawing attention away from Diggs. It’s a no brainer. 

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Just now, Aussie Joe said:

What happens? 

Jeudy , Jeudy , Jeudy…

Lol Denver just lost a WR to an injury. I doubt they trade Jeudy now. It’s either Hopkins or we roll into the draft. 

2 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:

Beane should stomp his feet and demand Arizona throw in some magically delicious breakfast cereal and then give up five firsts.

We want Hopkins! Just say no to running it back. Running it back is bad kids, don’t do it. 

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Just now, Dr. Who said:

I agree. The new AZ GM's ask is too much, doesn't matter if in a vacuum one can argue Hopkins as a player is worth a 2nd round pick. And if you are asking the Bills to absorb most or all of Hopkins' contract, the price has got to come down. No one is paying that.

Then AZ just says ok Dhop, we are keeping you regardless of how you feel. Nobody wins. Bills lose out on a golden opportunity and we run it back. Sigh. 

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1 minute ago, Aussie Joe said:

 

If you want to believe what these Twitter guys say.,, Beane has already provided the best offer… he shouldn’t be bidding against himself..

What if AZ says F it, and just holds onto Dhop without taking the Bills “best offer” . Sometimes bidding against yourself is necessary to land the deal. 

[Your choice as of today, for Pick #27, limited to players who are likely available to select?]

Jalin Hyatt if we can’t land Hopkins. 

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Just now, TheWeatherMan said:

Why would we give up more for Hopkins now than the Cardinals did 4 years ago?  Hard pass if that’s what they want.  Go get Jeudy for the same price or trade up in the draft to get your WR at a controlled cost. 

Because we need this. We need another weapon for Allen and we have a 2 year window before we have to retool. We don’t have time to hope we hit on a WR in the draft that can give you want Hopkins can. 

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5 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

The way people over value draft picks is embarrassing. A 2nd and a 3rd for one of the 15 best WRs in football? Nah let’s keep them. It’s nothing to piss away those picks on rotational Dlineman that give you almost nothing year after year….yeah that’s no big deal, reload and try again. But here’s a guy that can probably help you win a Super Bowl? And we are thinking that’s too much? Come on.

Agreed, we are such a poverty franchise. Imagine being hung up on value semantics, it’s why we will never win a super bowl. 

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Just do it, nobody is going to care about the 2nd and 3rd when we win a super bowl this year. 

1 minute ago, TOboy said:

I’d do a 2, but I actually think a 3 gets this done. Would be even better if it were from next year’s draft. 
 

This leak is all posturing. 

Yeah I’d do the 2nd for 2023 and the 3rd for 2024. 

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7 minutes ago, mrags said:

It is eating the bugs in my hair though. So there’s that. 

Well at least it helps retrieve high valued jewelry at the swanky hotels we stay at. 

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4 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

I really hate walking around with a monkey on my back. For one thing, it makes putting a shirt on a constant onerous burden. And that doesn't even begin to consider the monkey's various hygienic habits or lack thereof. 

It’s Ralph’s monkey, we kind of just took it on hoping one day it would grow up to be a successful monkey and leave to help raise a family on its own. But no, it’s firmly digging it’s claws into our backs and slowly ripping away the flesh. 

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2 minutes ago, finn said:

Or, worse, a fan of a 2023 Rams team that hadn't won the Super Bowl in 2022.

At some point we have to take a swing for the fence. If we don’t get it, oh well, at least it won’t be for a lack of not trying. 
Hopkins is the best asset available to help in areas that need the most help and has the best immediate return value. 

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2 minutes ago, Mango said:

This is what I’ve been saying. And it’s not that I am against signing Miller or Hopkins. But I thought we had the opportunity to have a light reset last year. That would have provided us the ability to stabilize the roster for the next 2-3 years.

 

But the longer you kick the can down the road the more the arrow moves from light reset to hard reset and you become the Rams. 
 

I am not against signing Hopkins. But I also know what that means. 

Yes, but I also don’t want to be stuck in playoff limbo, where we are too successful to land another solid piece to win a super bowl. I’m ok being in the rams seat if it means we win a super bowl. We have to get the monkey off our backs. 

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2 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Lololololool

 

so somebody else is going to get a ticket probably not as entitled as you

There is always a simp fan willing to eat a plate of poo. Easiest business in the world. 

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9 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Financially, protesting
 

Are you gonna stop buying bills, jerseys or something?

I won’t buy tickets, etc. Just like did with Ralph after some time. But it doesn’t matter, there will always be a sucker fan that replaces. Owning the Bills is the easiest business on Earth. 

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25 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

you wont be missed, trust me. go back to lurking now and do the board a favor by eliminating your presence altogether.

 

 

I will always be an active cyber fan, what I mean by lurking is financially protesting. 

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7 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

"We proved that we couldn't outscore Cincy"? 

 

No. They didn't prove that at all.

 

We proved that we couldn't outscore Cincy on a day when the whole team, including Josh Allen, played their absolute worst.

 

We scored 10 points. Ten points. That wasn't because the roster wasn't good enough. They had a crappy day.

 

We didn't have another game all year under 17 points, and the only two other games under 24 points were division opponents who know us really well, the first Jets game and the Miami game when it was 126 degrees on the field.

I’m done making excuses for this team. No more crappy this or crappy that. Show me the baby. They got embarrassed by Cinci, and until we beat them and make it to the super bowl, I refuse to believe otherwise. 

Just now, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Brandon Beane is on the hot seat?

 

Good lord, dude. No, he's not. Yeah, he's under some pressure, as is every NFL GM. On the hot seat? Only in your mind.

 

And no, you don't "have to" take the kind of big swing that will seriously handicap your ability to handle things in future years. They took their big swing last year with Von Miller. 

 

Some fans want to take a big swing every year. That's not something you have to do, especially if your team is good enough to seriously compete right now. And this team is. It's not a mistake that Vegas has us as in the top two to win the AFC and the top three to win the SB.

 

 

 

So what excuse will be this year when Beane fails to win a super bowl? Or the next year when he doesn’t win a super bowl. How long does Beane have to fail before you put him in the hot seat? 

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Just now, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

You mean like going out and getting Von Miller just last season on a 6 year 120 million dollar deal? Or trading for Stefon Diggs? He has made big swings. He also had to give Josh Allen a huge contract. We cannot afford to do big swings every single year. We can't afford to constantly push the cap credit further and further down the road.

 

I hope this happens. I really do. I hope there's a way it can work. But if Beane determines he can't, and apparently right now EVERY single team in the league feels the same, then we can't. 

Von Miller wasn’t really a super bowl swinging trade, it was getting us to a point where we could reliably stop opponents enough to outscore. You must forget we had an elite DE during the super bowl years, and it by itself wasn’t enough to win a super bowl. You need power house offensive players to win a super bowl. Cinci, KC, Philly, and SF have all proved that. SF went out and got CMC to go along with Kittle and Deebo. Philly has 2 great WR, and Cinci has 3 great WRs. We have only 1. 

We aren’t going anywhere without getting another big time offensive weapons like all the other teams do. It’s why we got spanked and embarrassed by Cincinnati. 

2 minutes ago, rayray808 said:

 

 

THIS

 

Itʻs not about the trade compensation but the contract portion... "if it ainʻt about the money Puffy just donʻt care"

 

Puffy = Beane

So what is Beane’s plan then? Go get a 1B WR in the draft? That almost likely means taking a WR at #27. What WR in the draft is comparable to Hopkins, and are we going to see immediate impacts on offense from the #27 WR more so than we would get with Hopkins? At some point Beane has to just make it happen, he has to go down swinging rather than walking it back. Walking it back is unacceptable. 

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4 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Imagine the outrage that Brandon Beane would take if we made that trade as being described where we’re carrying millions of Hit after the player is no longer on the team and we didn’t win the Super Bowl

 

Fans would crucify him

As opposed to crucifying him for not winning the super bowl while sitting on his hands running it back? You can’t win without risk, he’s on the hot seat no matter what, so you might as go down swinging, and now is the time you  throw those haymakers. 

1 minute ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

The harm is that as much as you'd like to think trading for Hopkins means we're automatically handed a Lombardi, that's no guarantee. We'll have him for 2 years and be paying him for 5.

 

And if it doesn't work, we've screwed ourselves further on the cap for 3 more seasons where we'll have to lose players we can't afford to keep.

As opposed to running it back and hoping the draft picks are enough to push us over the edge? What if we draft for 2 more years and we still haven’t won a super bowl? At some point you have to take a big swing. 

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3 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said:

And the whole point of your BS is following your ideas will win the Bills a SB. Which they most certainly might not. 

But at what point are you willing to give Beane to see if his ideas will win the Bills a SB? What harm is there to bringing Hopkins on board, isn’t this the time to make risky moves when you are like one major piece a way from winning a super bowl? We proved that we couldn’t outscore Cinci. They lost no major offensive weapon this offseason, so we need to do something on offense that will give us a a competitive advantage. I can’t think of any other reasonable scenario better than trading for Hopkins. Can you think of anything better at the moment? 

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5 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said:

Actually, you WERE saying give them anything they want earlier in this very thread, since the Bills couldn’t afford letting him go to the Chiefs. The Chiefs are out on DHop. And now you are claiming “it sounds like” Arizona isn’t asking for anything unreasonable. Based on what, exactly? 
 

dude you’re not an expert. You’re not particularly insightful on anything football related. You’re a fanboy who was right about Breece Hall and now you think you’re a GM? Please homie for 40 pages of this thread you’ve been embarrassing yourself. 
 

i get it, you’re on a bender and this DHop idea seems obvious in your drunken mind, but give it a rest. See how it plays out.

My main point was doing what it takes to land Hopkins or at the very least doing everything it takes to keep him out of KC. Yes, if KC was indeed willing to give a 3rd and eat salary, then yes we should offer a 2nd. It doesn’t sound like it would take that much, so no I wouldn’t support just giving then anything for the sake of anything. I just want to give them what it takes to land Hopkins. There are no other WRs out there that are reasonably had other than Hopkins. So it would be a big failure not being about to land him. 

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2 minutes ago, Matt_In_NH said:

What a terrible perspective.  You sound like a miserable person.  

What is miserable about want to win a super bowl, and accepting anything less as failure? The whole point of playing NFL football is to win a super bowl, that goes for any competition. I guess it means being miserable if you don’t recognize participation trophies. 

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1 minute ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

If the last bit of info being sent out is any indication - there is NO team in the NFL willing to meet Arizona's demands AND pay for Hopkins' deal. So you may think it isn't outrageous. But apparently, every single team in the league does. 

 

It's clear you don't care what it takes. You've said you'd give up a 1st Rounder and add 3 dummy years to the deal which will have us paying millions long after he's off the team. But Beane and the entire league doesn't agree with that. Or else a deal would already be done.

No Bills fan is going to care about paying off Hopkins salary even after he’s gone if it means we win a super bowl this year. Nobody. 

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1 minute ago, Richard Noggin said:

 

The bolded shows your whole arse. Beane's job is not to show YOU that he agrees with YOUR roster-building strategy, and therefore "dramatically shift [your] perceptions about him." 

 

This isn't about you. You don't necessarily know better. You DEFINITELY aren't privy to all the information and expertise that they have access to. 

 

You say you want a championship, but then you also say what you really want is for the Bills to try to win that championship in a way that you agree with up front, as though failure under those circumstances is somehow more palatable. Because YOU agreed with the approach. 

 

Get over yourself. Have some intellectual humility.

I’m fine with letting Beane do things his way, but so far his way hasn’t gotten us anywhere. How long do we wait? 2 more years? 5 more years? When does his strategic methods become accepted as a failure? 

2 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

No a pile of dog Pooh would be a team that doesn’t make the playoffs every year finishes 7 and 9 is never in the mix for the prime draft picks, but never make the playoffs

 

We’ve had that team before

 

The funny part is, I know you know this you were posting this dog ***** on the Buffalo Bills main message board back whenever we were going 7 and 9 literally the same rhetoric

 

This team has won their division several years in a row, and I’ve been in a position to get to the Super Bowl several years in a row

 

they just came off of 13 and three season

 

It is a winning franchise

Go buy one

For me a 7-9 team is the same thing as a 14-3 team that didn’t win a super bowl. See that’s where our ideological differences are. You accept 2nd and 3rd place as an accomplishment. If you want to be a fan of playoffs, then I can’t stop you. 

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Being the owner of an NFL franchise is the easiest business ever. Imagine being in charge of a product that sells no matter how great it is. 

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3 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

They don’t sorry

Well why should they when they have suckers for fans that will gladly eat a pile of poo like it’s a plate of the finest Italian risotto. Must be nice to be an owner that knows cash flow will always be there because of dopey fans that accept anything short of a super bowl victory.