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Williams could use some help from his WR. But they still got 6. Maybe Ryans will need those 3 points.

I linked it up thread. It was 1971. There wasn’t much time left in the game and yeah, they kept playing. I do agree with that. But then, you’re watching film, you can watch the film of your “beloved” QB concussion and say “whoa, buddy let’s get you mor thoroughly evaluated” so I also agree that McDaniel still has responsibility

“But Other than THAT, Mrs Lincoln, how did you like the play?” Now that was a nice sack and a good 3 and out when they needed it. And an Edmunds sighting

I look at it differently. I think it’s the time when you prove to your team they can go for it and make that, there’s every chance you aren’t gonna be missing those 3 point s if you lose and that the Bears won’t make you pay for the good field position. I mean, they totally pantsed Chicago on 4th down earlier

That throw by Stroud and catch by Collins was eeevil. Mahomes or Allen like. I’m thinking Stroud is The Truth Been a while since we’ve seen WR play like that out of Diggs though

Thinking this game is gonna be a rout by the Texans But Early in the 2nd Q no targets to Diggs, 3 rec on 4 tats for 52 yds and a tuddy for Nico Collins. No targets for Diggs Plus Collins just salivating all over Collins OK, there was one to Diggs Stupid challenge by the Bears tho

I know, right? It went up in the air and I’m thinking “welp, there goes Strouds no INT streak” but NoOOoOoooOO!

He was lost on that 4th down conversion too

To be fair, the Vikes have a lot more offensive skill players around Darnold than Carolina did. I will say though, that to my eyes SF has had a LOT of flagrant defensive breakdowns and Darnold has done a good job of exploiting them. It might also help that Darnold can dish big scoops on the 49ers offense.

Not if they don’t discover a 3rd down defense. Sheesh.

Daboll let his first year in NYC go to his head

I know, Right? The 49ers are playing like a team that doesn’t believe they have the hosses to win. That almost-turnover on the kickoff was killer.

This actually makes me edgy because I don’t want a 3-peat of being the Jags “get right” game

Can I answer, “yes”?

There are two critical differences in how the Bills organization handled Allen’s concussion. One is, Allen was pulled from the game. Two, he was placed in concussion protocol and went through all the steps, meaning he was limited in practice and physical activity during the following week Now you can be skeptical about how it was handled - you can argue he shouldn’t have cleared in a week etc. But some of that 100% rests with Allen, how he handled his baseline and symptom reporting. Response to concussion is highly variable, and it’s possible that he actually did recover. The point is, Josh was placed in the concussion protocol and the protocol was followed. It did not involve circumventing the UNC and the protocol by allowing the potentially-concussed player to state that back injuries caused his instability and therefore the protocol did not apply, despite what everyone saw (and the doctors not examining his back) You can say there’s no difference and that means the Bills are also a sleeze franchise if you wish.

OK, Fess Up. Who had 49ers get stopped on goal line then Darnold throws dime to Jefferson for 97 yd TD on their Bingo card? I can guarantee Harbaugh didn’t, because I think part of their calculus was Darnold wouldn’t do much and they’d get the ball back with good field position? I fear for our draft pick

That's actually an interesting point. Morse is notably fragile to concussion - his most recent concussion with the Bills resulted from what looked like a casual contact with a teammate's knee if I recall correctly. Morse had 6 documented concussions in 8 years as of early 2023. He's a family man with young children he adores. Morse is on the record as saying he's fine, and going to be fine if he has another concussion "because we do things the right way", evidently meaning he doesn't hide symptoms, fudge his baseline testing, etc. He apparently consulted a number of experts in concussion before deciding he would continue to play.

A player actually has died on the field from injuries sustained during the game. https://www.sportscasting.com/news/the-tragic-on-field-death-of-chuck-hughes-may-have-sadly-stemmed-from-a-misdiagnosis/ This was in 1971.

I think the problem with what you suggest is there really isn't that strength of data, linking # of concussions vs long term effects, or # of concussions and missed time. The data are pretty solid that having a concussion that hasn't fully healed puts a person at significantly higher risk for a second concussion. As far as being able to construct probabilities though - we're not there. Too many variables, starting with individual physiological responses, but not ending there. Certainly Tua was horrendously mis-treated for what appeared to every observer (except the "unaffilliated neurotrauma consultant" hired by Miami, their ATCs (athletic trainer spotters, and their team physician) to be an obvious alteration of consciousness affecting his balance and ability to stand/walk, after the Milano hit - and nothing like how people respond when their back is spasming. But part of the problem to get to that quality data which could break it down into probability of missing X weeks or having Y long term effects, is the extreme variability with which concussions are detected and reported and the variability with how they are handled. And part of the responsibility for that, lies with the players. As a HS athlete, my daughter had to do baseline concussion testing. She sat down and gave it her best effort. Her best effort wasn't "up to" John Urshel, but it was pretty dang good. Urshel took a long time to pass his baseline testing after his training camp concussion. As he said, "I must have been having a good day when I did the baseline". (I can only imagine what his coaches were saying about how long it took him to come back. Nothing good, you can be sure). Meanwhile, kid was dating a DT and lifting weights with the football team, and the more senior guys mentored the young guys "don't be too sharp" on the baseline tests. What's drilled into these guys, back in PeeWee Football? McDermott says it: "The Best Ability is Availability". Fitz gets his hand stamped on. Gailey comes up while he's looking at his hand and asks if he can throw. Fitz says "yeah, I'm fine, we can throw on every down". Variable 1: You can't be available if you can't pass your baseline testing. One player-side solution is, make sure your baseline isn't too sharp. Variable 2: Your baseline testing is irrelevant if you aren't diagnosed with a concussion. One player-side solution is, just don't report concussion symptoms. It's the concussion equivalent of what my good friend's CO advised him regarding divorce: "admit nothing. if your wife walks in on you in bed with another woman, say "what woman?" " Get your "bell rung"? Stay down and collect yourself if you can. Wait to be helped up so you have that steadying teammate hand. It's highly probable IMO that the documented concussions every week in the NFL are only a small fraction of the actual concussions that occur, despite the independent neurotrauma consultant and the use of athletic trainer spotters who are supposed to watch the field and alert medical staff to possible injuries.

Me too

Yeah, I dunno. It was Kincaid, not Knox - and to my eyes teams have been paying Kincaid a lot of attention, maybe seeing him as the best receiving option left on the team? Ramsey peeled off to go with him PDQ. You're correct that Josh's eyes were on Kincaid for a while but was that trying to manipulate coverage? O'Sullivan does seem to agree with you that if Josh had gotten the ball out just a bit sooner (he points at footwork) it's a TD. (And if Dawkins got a bit better block on his guy and kept him away from Allen's legs, likewise.) The route still looks odd to me. Maybe that the timing was off a bit on Samuel's part - it looked like it was designed for Kincaid to 'rub' the linebacker a bit and hinder him from getting over to cover Samuel. Maybe asking Samuel to run the route starting 5 yds in the backfield is too big of an ask? This is one of these things where I see something but I don't know what I'm seeing.

Yeah, I linked it in a long post I wrote above, but I'm sure plenty TL;DR me so here it is again 1) by Milano standards, Tua got a "love tap": a little shove straight back from a distance while Milano was pulling up; no throwing down or twisting or landing on him. But Tua's head bounced off the turf rather alarmingly for something he saw coming and could have controlled. 2) Tua appeared unsteady getting up, started to jog forward, and fell to his knees. When a teammate helped him up, he appeared "woozy" and was leaning against a teammate If he wasn't evaluated for concussion after that, the system 100% failed him. I could be off base, you tell me, but I'm not sure you can expect highly competitive players to make decisions in their best interest when they're revved up on adrenaline and in the middle of a game, even if they're fully conscious. I had a friend who moonlighted as a doc for the St Louis Blues and told stories - a player with his cheek gashed open, "stitch me up doc, I need to get out there. no pain meds, just do it fast!"

I pretty much agree with the sentiments you express, but when I unpack the details, there's A Lot. The chain of causation started with the evaluation that Tua did NOT have a concussion on Sunday. If it had been diagnosed as a concussion, either during the game or after the game and he'd been placed in the concussion protocol as he should have been, chances are strong he wouldn't have cleared for Thursday night. I think the entire community of former players and media covering football and physicians who watch football was stunned that he wasn't Dx'd with a concussion after Tua got up, fell to his knees, and appeared (to use a technical term) "woozy", leaning against a teammate to stay up. Even if they blew the diagnosis during the game, the concussion protocol is in part, designed for things that are missed during a game to be caught later. It should be noted that the "personal foul" which led to this was about as milquetoast a hit as a player can sustain. Here's a video for reference - Milano just gave Tua a shove straight back, didn't throw him or land on top of him, and Tua fell backwards and clonked his head. This actually was the kind of hit many players sustain multiple times each game. There is a bunch of stuff going around about decorticate posturing vs fencing response and how they correlate with concussion severity, some of it by people whose credentials and professionalism I respect, and all I'll say is this is way way out of my lane. No one seems to think that decorticate posturing (as in Tua's 2022 concussion) isn't an indication of a severe injury, however. IIRC, the doctors responsible for clearing Tua on Sunday in 2022 were fired. Does McDaniel have responsibility? As a coach, he relies on the professional medical judgement of the physicians paid to care for the players (and the independent neurotrauma consultant). I think there's a case to be made for it being a slippery slope for a coach to over-ride medical professionals. On the other hand, everyone who watched that video of Tua after he got up thought it indicated head trauma. So yeah, Mr "I Love You Tua" was complicit and bears responsibility, if not during the game, then for not saying "man, we got to get you thoroughly checked out!" afterwards. Back in 2022, several people made the point that one of the reasons the system doesn't work is because the players are also complicit in "gaming it". They may fudge their baseline testing so it's easier for them to pass, deny symptoms they are having, and so forth. I think Tua's hit in the Bills game was not so minor- his head and neck can be seen to be bent rather severely to the side in some shots, and then he clonked his head on the turf. Either way, the point is, after avoiding concussions last season, here Tua is with another concussion that appears serious, and now what? Tua's whole performance in that game, starting with his first interception, was sus as hell and showed poor decision making from a QB who is normally careful with the ball. This leads me to totally unsubstantiated speculation that Tua may actually have mirrored the sequence of 2022 - he may have sustained a concussion that went undetected on Sunday, interfering with his reactions and decision making and rendering him once again susceptible to a second, more severe concussion on Thursday. If that were the case, then once again the system would have failed Tua.

Well I guess it was when you posted. By the time I tuned in the Rams were being Lambified

O’Sullivan seemed to feel the LB on Samuel shoulda been the go to matchup all along?