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For the record, I wasn't opining about move the game or don't. I do think people charged with public safety have to make decisions about driving bans and so forth based on whether a driving ban is needed to allow road clearance and emergency service to operate. It's only logical that you can't impose a driving ban and then say "oh yeah, except for the 70,000 people going to the Bills Steelers game and the staff supporting that". So once the driving ban is decided upon, the game has to move, that's only logical. I don't think it's fair if someone in my family needs an ambulance and can't get one because the roads are all ***** up with Joe Sixpack and his buddies who slid into other vehicles and blocked the intersections or just snarled up the streets and made snow clearance impossible until the stopped cars get towed, painstakingly car by car. And it may be anecdotal and inaccurate, but it seems as though the "freedom to" crowd is not typically lined up to waive their share of public safety services like EMS, hospitals, police, fire and rescue. Or simply can't get through because all the drivers who were out and about crashed or stalled and blocked roads.

Are you sure about that last? Seems to me I read something about needing special TV cameras for extreme cold conditions - though weather in the low teens might not qualify as that cold, despite the scary wind chill. But yeah, the road conditions are not expected to be bad at all.

I would think they'll have to provide refunds if people can't attend at the new time. They had to move the game as soon as they made the call to institute a driving ban. You can have a State of Emergency as a funding tool for extra resources without a driving ban, but as soon as you put in a driving ban you can't say "Oh - except for you game-going fans" Inverse quality of posting product

I liked you better when you were Iron Maiden Bills** Your posting product degraded when you became Araiza Curse and this new screenname of one of our favorite players is a continued decline. **but that is a low bar

I'm sorry. 😔 Fortunately I checked first to determine that you weren't the one telling folks "where there's a will, there's a way" so you don't deserve any snark.

Not that I've heard and I live in MO. Yesterday the winds were roaring like a freight train. Today "all is calm, all is bright". KC is 6 degrees and snowing lightly, very pretty. Snow is supposed to stop in about 40 minutes and wind is supposed to kick up.

You do realize that while you were riding around in the backs of trucks, military service was compulsory via the draft, and infants schoolchildren and others lined up and stuck out their arms for vaccines with no questions asked and no exceptions except for documented allergies? Because you know, Freedoms. Still haven't answered my questions you little trolly-whole Ah, I getcha. Snow may still be falling though. From NOAA just now: "M.L.King Day: Occasional snow and areas of blowing snow. The snow could be heavy at times. High near 19. Chance of precipitation is 90%." And no worries, I'll put down my stick and stop poking the Troll now. Just for you 🥰

FIFY Oh and while you're at it - how many of the folks on those Viking longships you extoll were thralls (slaves) and debt bondsmen, and had no choice about whether or not they got on the ship? Wind chills gonna be worse on Monday? Thought lesser winds were part of the point to move the game.

I'm older than ***** dirt and you're full of baloney. You still haven't answered my question: "When the Vikings sailed off into the ocean braving the great storm, did they expect the Coasties to set out in the heart of said storm to save their butts after they foundered? Did they expect the rescue swimmer to jump into 30 foot seas to line them into the chopper?" Pity. You gonna be able to reset and come for Monday? C'mon @Simon, get that windshield repaired and GO.

No, storm is supposed to continue through Sunday night: "Snow before 3am, then snow showers likely after 3am. The snow could be heavy at times. Areas of blowing snow. Low around 12. Wind chill values as low as -5. Breezy, with a west wind 21 to 26 mph, with gusts as high as 40 mph." You can't declare a state of emergency and tell people "it's a dangerous storm, respect the Emergency Responders by leaving the roads clear for them, Stay Home" and then go "Except for y'all fans going to the Bills game..."

I'm not sure it's bad news. 4:30 pm Monday. Wonder what they're going to do with the players? I suppose they'll get to stay home.

Monday 4:30 pm in Buffalo

Diggs 5 years in Minn 63 games started, 365 receptions, 4623 yds Diggs 4 years in B'lo 65 games started, 445 receptions, 5372 yds. FIFY Brudda from another mudda?

OK. I'm not deaf, you don't need to shout at me. Maybe edit your post to say that? I mean, people reading the thread come upon your post long before they come upon the clarification. Minor nit: Browns: football organization, the Cleveland Browns Brown's: something belonging or pertaining to someone named brown

Why would the Browns have a presser 90 minutes before kickoff? Oh now

When the Vikings sailed off into the ocean braving the great storm, did they expect the Coasties to set out in the heart of said storm to save their butts after they foundered? Did they expect the rescue swimmer to jump into 30 foot seas to line them into the chopper?

Oh, sheesh, even a 2 gallon zippie too big then. This kind of thing, right? You allowed one of them 12x 12s , or two? https://www.amazon.com/Stadium-Approved-12×6×12-Festival-Non-Removable/dp/B07RFBFG4H/ref=sr_1_9?dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.mrcLpgV93t2E85ckEy78dRc8XQzPpfWt4gY13nSsZoRZyRAwVs03Yiu5wlaWvUhSj_mwUSEFH-CNdM5tP4XptYT93SjFQs-StkwiL2RNTWs7FebB3siZYYa7JDjrnI_fUBEBiz1hGCkLPQLRNtqlWg.AnUlt4z9pzcPChNsObKsd6511ZXkPvcpNv09rg0fKFk&dib_tag=se&keywords=12x12x6+clear+stadium+bag&qid=1705162384&sr=8-9 You kinda vacuum pack your gear in ziplocks you smash while you suck out the air with a straw, you can get a lot in 12x12x6 tho. We used to have a couple guys here who were Meteoroligists in training or something and who would explain what the different models were showing and whether they agreed or disagreed. I would love to understand what the different models are showing. I suppose, for public consumption, they have to give the worst case scenario because if they don't and then people get caught out, it's there fault

Hey, you don't know, the Dolphins could come out of there alive. I hear being frozen slows your metabolism, revitalizing in some circumstances Patty could get clubbed by a frozen flipper, that's gotta hurt.

'Lil late for this time, but would this work? https://clear-handbags.com/products/clear-duffel-bag As a separate note, my life changed when I discovered there is such a thing as a 2 gallon ziplock bag 🥰🥰

Picking up @Simon on the way so he can lick your door handles and cough on you, right?

Where I am https://www.nws.noaa.gov/wtf/MapClick.php?site=BUF&textField1=42.7833&textField2=-78.7467&lg=ep Doesn't seem to have changed much as far as wind. They've taken the snow accumulation predictions off of Sunday and Monday, maybe that's just an error with the updated forecast and they'll add it back in.

I dunno about peak, but the NOAA forcast calls for 32-37 mph winds possibly gusting "as high as 65". I would guess that number has an error bar which is where 60-75 might come from, but that would seem like the upper end of the upper end. Still, if I were a Steeler, I'd be wondering if a 3 hr bus drive to hotel near Highmark Stadium might be preferable to a bus to the airport, 1:15 flight, bus to hotel.

Oh, dear. Well, that makes him sound splendid. But saying he's averaged 24 passing attempts and 234 yds per game (of which 60% are YAC), and has a total of 3 passing TDs in 3 games, might make him sound a bit more ordinary? He's certainly elevated the QB play in Pittsburgh, but the bar was kinda low.

We have an employment Hx with Boeing here in the fam (not I) and I don't think that's quite right. Here are a couple articles that explain it pretty well if anyone is interested. https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2020/09/boeing-hid-design-flaws-in-max-jets-from-pilots-and-regulators/ https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/times-watchdog/the-inside-story-of-mcas-how-boeings-737-max-system-gained-power-and-lost-safeguards/ My understanding: Boeing aeronautical engineers (we know several) ID'd an aerodynamic problem with the Max during scale model testing - a pitch-up during a specific area of the flight envelope. They didn't ID a straightforward aerodynamic fix within their timeline. So yes, there was a known stability issue requiring a software fix, and this had nothing to do with intended non-first-world airline sales. They decided to develop MCAS to address the stability issue - but they designated it as "non safety critical", thus able to actuate off a single sensor instead of the redundant sensors required of safety critical items, because they explicitly assumed (and the FAA signed off on the assumption) that well-trained pilots would immediately respond to an unexpected activation (within 3 seconds). Then, because it was designated "non safety critical", they left a description of MCAS and the assumption that the pilots were the primary backup for a MCAS malfunction out of their manuals and training programs (and again, the FAA signed off on this). There's more dirt but I'll stop there. I'm not saying that there may not have been some design considerations around hoped-for 3rd world markets, but there was definitely a stability issue with the Max for which they implemented a software control fix. As far as the plug door, United Airlines may be correct that the loose bolts relate to a manufacturing issue. Of course it's in their interest to say "not on their watch" as far as any maintenance/inspection program. Early days. But in general, anything bolted in place that regularly undergoes vibration and thermal expansion and contraction needs a data-driven regular inspection interval to ensure the bolt torque remains in spec. Expect scrutiny of how the regulatory process defining the inspection and setting the interval played out between the FAA and Boeing. Spirit, the supplier, has been under scrutiny for QA/QC issues in general . Boeing spins off business units to become independent companies, who then serve as contract manufacturers for Boeing but with less oversight from both Boeing and the FAA. The contractors then prioritize product delivery over safety and cut corners. Spirit is one example of many. We have one in St Louis that has had issues. Would be nice to see that change.

He's out of concussion protocol. Limited all week, but no game status.