Beck Water
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https://www.nfl.com/prospects/keon-coleman/3200434f-4c29-5571-54fa-77236b775ae1
Tell me this isn't Kelvin Benjamin Part Deux?
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2 minutes ago, Ralonzo said:
NFL Network teasing a receiver.
Make like you're in Paris, @Ralonzo, No Tipping, No Tipping!
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1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:
Okay we have made a pick. That is Beane on the phone to a prospect
Maybe it's Beane on the phone with a GM
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1 minute ago, stevestojan said:
I wish I knew cool enough people to be able to tip a pick.
It's found on twitter, usually. Or do I mean "X marks the spot?"
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1 minute ago, JimBob2232 said:
I have no tv right now. Has our clock started?
Yes
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4 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:
I’m terrified
Same!
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When do they actually, you know, start picking?
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18 hours ago, Lost said:
Mitchell is probably the only way to salvage this nightmare of a draft at this point.
Screen name checks out
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16 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:
All my Falcons friends are upset right now.
Its a $65 million dollar dead cap hit in 2025. Surely you would want your 1st round, top 10 QB to start by his second year.
I believe that $65M dead cap hit in 2025 includes his $27.5M fully-guaranteed salary. Sooo in theory, they could trade him next year, and "only" have $37.5M dead hit....a mere pittance more than the $31.1M dead cap the Bills swallowed on Diggs.
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9 hours ago, Sierra Foothills said:
His agent told ESPN that there is "frustration and confusion" over the pick.
$282 million and counting...
Wonder if he still drives an old beater minivan and lives in his mother-in-law's basement during the off season?
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1 hour ago, Gregg said:
uSTADIUM on X: "Roger Goodell said on the McAfee Show that the #NFL is looking into an 18 game regular season and having the #SuperBowl fall during President’s Day Weekend … so most will have off that following Monday 😍😍 (🎥 @patmcafeeshow) https://t.co/59UZDivO6G" / X (twitter.com)
Makes sense. A 17-game season is dumb with the AFC and NFC alternating between 8 and 9 home games every other year. I would also add they should reduce the preseason to 2 games at most.
God, that would be awful for the players. At some point, will the NFLPA "cowboy up" and actually represent their interests?
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2 hours ago, Logic said:
I don't buy it at all.
For one thing, his skillset is redundant with Curtis Samuel's. I don't think you need TWO guys like that on your offense. Curtis Samuel is already Deebo lite. Heck, has list name is even Samuel!
For another, the Bills literally CANNOT trade for Deebo right now. It's impossible. See Tweet below.
Lastly, he's 28 and expensive and hasn't had a 1,000 yard season in several years. I think it's smoke. I think it's a lie.
I think here, Greg Tompsett who is normally reliable about cap issues etc, is skirting what's happened. There have been several instances where a contract re-negotiation that helped the receiving trade partner's cap took place simultaneously with the trade. I think the "devil in the details" is that it's formally negotiated by the trading partner and signed off by the player/his rep prior to executing the trade, but 100% it's done on behalf of the receiving partner.
One minor example would be Case Keenum, who agreed to a salary reduction as part of the trade deal that brought him to Buffalo.
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2 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said:
This is true. However if the Bills have had contact with the 49ers either they or Deebo's reps may put it out there to stir interest. And being it mentions 2 teams it's likely agent or the 49ers.
That said, even in cases like this, the "interest" could be something as simple as the Bills having a casual call with someone on the 49ers staff and asking what they are looking for....which is very common.
I think once the Bills are serious about negotiations, they make it a condition that nothing is to be leaked until the deal is done.
But I agree (and Beane has said) that a lot of times when the Bills interest is reported, it's as simple as a due diligence phone call.
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15 minutes ago, ndirish1978 said:
Go on spotrac right now and show me how. You can't.
You renegotiate a contract extension as part of the trade and set this year's cap hit to be lower than the cap space you have. In theory, it COULD be done; given what Deebo would probably want before locking himself up in an extension, they'd probably have to renegotiate 1 or more other contracts.
I just don't see why the Bills, having just assumed a $31M dead cap hit for bailing on one WR they negotiated an expensive extension with at age 28 1/2, would be anxious to repeat that with another 28 1/2 yr old WR (and one who has struggled with availability, as well)
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1 hour ago, GoBills808 said:
Like how they couldn't trade diggs right
Diggs was more of a "why?" than a "can't". Like why lose the services of a WR who is still good AND take on an additional $3M of cap hit?"
The Bills answered that with "We have our reasons, 2nd round next year Good Enough."
Samuel, the Bills would have to negotiate an extension as part of the trade. Which, they could. But you'd think, having just signed a big contract extension with a 28 1/2 yr old WR who only stayed with the team 2 years and wound up costing us a $31M dead cap hit, the Bills would not be eager to sign another big contract extension with a 28 1/2 yr old WR.
Here's the thing: some teams develop a pattern of trying to buy the greatness they need. You see it with Denver, who managed a Superbowl with the Ghost of Peyton Manning, and then acquired Russ Wilson hoping to ride him to another championship. You see it with the Vikes, who saddled up Favre for a ride to a conference championship, then tried Bradford after it looked as though Shurmur reclaimed him in Philly, then Cousins (with whom they never managed the conference game).
Obviously it works sometimes, but overall for sustained success, "draft, develop, resign" seems like the better plan. And that's what Beane has preached.
One could view acquiring John Brown and Beasley, then Diggs, then Emmanuel Sanders, as the same 'hired gun" philosophy applied to WR. So is he gonna practice what he's preached, or is he essentially going after the hired gun approach again?
I'm past predicting what Beane will or won't do, myself. I don't want to see us trade for Samuel, But, Whatever. I tend to doubt it because any time we hear about the Bills interest in a trade, it never seems to happen. But whaddo I know?
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1 hour ago, Roundybout said:
I would not like this!My gut is that in general, when you hear about Bills interest in a trade, it's maybe at the level of a phone call "so, would the player possibly be available? oh, OK, Thanks"
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1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:
I disagree. I think the Worthy issue is only looking at the outcome. And I'm relatively relaxed about the outcome. It is the principle I question and I don't think that is fanspeak at all. It isn't cut off your nose to spite your face. It is about proper assessment of the risk. Is the risk of helping your biggest single barrier to success become an even bigger barrier to success worth the estimated value of your average 3rd round pick over your average 4th round pick? It being Worthy is kinda by the by to me. When they first traded up I actually thought "this could be a tackle" and I still didn't like it even then. Maybe they'd have got him anyway at #32. Maybe they'd have traded up to 29 or 30 or 31 and got him. Maybe another team would have traded in that kinda space and taken him. There are lots of total unknowns. But that is what you are trying to balance up in the moment. And personally with all that uncertainty I'd be take the more cautious approach.
Well, OK, we just disagree about what is the more "cautious" vs "higher risk" approach.
Personally, I think Beane is a stone-cold killer when it comes to calculating odds and predicting which way the "frog will jump" in the draft.
So to me it comes down to player personnel evaluation, which is actually not Beane's forte' as a GM. And either they're right about Worthy, or they're mistaken about Worthy. If they're wrong, how KC got him is just re-arranging the deck chairs on the boat crossing the North Atlantic. If they're right, then how KC got him doesn't matter, but that 3rd round pick might be handy.
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8 minutes ago, Bruffalo said:
Drunk retirees in the middle of the day listening to FM Radio in 2024 are worse than someone who understands how to operate a computer?
Shocking.
Well...... in theory, drunk retirees in the middle of the day could have forgotten more football then most of us will ever know.......
......that was true of my Grandpa, who never learned how to use a computer (or a calculator, for that matter - he could add up a column of 40 5 and 6 digit numbers accurately in his head, faster than I could enter them).
But then, he never called into radio, either, AM or FM.
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8 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:
They screen to take the worst callers lol
You know, I hadn't thought of that....but that's actually one of the most plausible explanations I've heard to explain it
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1 hour ago, dave mcbride said:
Also interesting to note that the Bills possess two players who are tied at 13th for the fastest 40 times ever!
I had not realized this.
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58 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:
What if one of the other teams calling wanted Worthy? It isn't definitely the case that the only way to keep him from KC was to pick him. And I'm not even that fussed by Worthy particularly. I think he is another WR2 and KC has Rice and Hollywood already that I think fit that criteria (Rice maybe a lower end #1 I suppose, let's see). It isn't about the outcome so much as the process to me. My principle is I'm not doing anything I think might help KC.
I dunno Gunner. That seems like a "cut off your nose to spite your face" philosophy. It's fan-think vs. professional-think. JMO.
The fundamental issue here is really player evaluation. Either the Bills were correct in their player evaluation of Xavier Worthy (in which case who cares that KC drafted him) or, they were fundamentally mistaken (in which case, who cares how KC managed to draft him, just that they did).
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6 hours ago, Donuts and Doritos said:
Our WR room is Shakir, Curtis Samuel, Mark Hollins, Justin Shorter (& some practice squad players). That's laughably sad.
Mitchell takes plays off & is said to be uncoachable. Troy Franklin is skinnier than a marathon runner & can't get off press coverage. McConkey has the same skill set Shakir already gives us. All would be fine picks as the SECOND WR wr drafted. None replace the 1st rounders we missed out / passed up on.
Good luck Josh. This will be a bottom 5 WR room next year.
But trying to find a positive side, we gave KC their Tyreek 2.0 target to beat us with for the next 5 years & the Panthers appreciate getting the A.J. Brown / DK Metcalf love child at WR. So that was nice of us.
Hello.
It's April 26th
The season starts in September.
That Is All
OK, no, I lied. One more thing. If your concern is Troy Franklin being "skinnier than a marathon runner", how do you describe the skinniness of Xavier Worth? Did he get beefier because KC drafted him?
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7 minutes ago, eball said:
Sorry, you're right. We have four 5ths. My mistake.
The interesting thing is if you look at the 4 - 5ths we now have, two of them are in the 1st 10 picks of the 5th round
In theory, we should be able to package 2 of the 5ths or a 5th and a 6th to move up into the 4th if we wish, or, package one with our late 2nd or late 3rd to move up in that respective round
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8 hours ago, NewEra said:
So we should have stayed at 28 and drafted a player we could’ve had later, while not getting an extra 3rd rd pick….just so KC wouldn’t be able to give us a free 3rd rd pick in order to select a player that may have been there when they picked at 32? 🤷🏻♂️
worrying about other teams = fail
worrying about building your own team = yes please
do what’s best for your team. Worrying about what other teams are doing is for losers. Jmo
I endorse this take!
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Rd 2, Pick 33: WR Keon Coleman, Florida State
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We got to level up his taste in wings