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51 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:
Supposedly Steelers talked to Seattle about Metcalf and they were told a trade would need to happen post June 1 per Ben Allbright.
Also rumored KC called about Metcalf during the draft
BEANE!? Please???? GET DK METCALF
I don't think he's listening to you. Didn't you want him to bring you Odunze?
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On 4/30/2024 at 9:55 AM, MasterStrategist said:
Agree with this.
Beane definitely sprinkles some "lies", along with truth.
Fairly certain, Beane will look to fill the WR4 role after June 1st. Potentially DE as well, I'm concerned we don't gave a DE4 with run stopping/some pass rush. Toohill/Solomon/Kingsley, run game is not a strong suit. Ogbah would be a fit, if price is right.
Back to WR, I'm comfortable with Hollins as WR5/ST and if we keep 6, let Hamler/Shorter/Shavers/UDFA compete.
WR4 has to be a boundary/down field option. We don't need a star, nor am I expecting that, but a quality depth option. MVS and Chark would fill that role. Coleman is a rookie and will need some rampup time...I'm not confident that Shakir or Samuel take more than 50% snaps on the outside, let alone stay healthy all year.
The thought of Hollins having to play significant snaps, due to injury/etc, is a depressing thought.
Beane isn't giving his hand away, but he will definitely have $s after June 1 for MVS/Chark type. Give MVS or Chark $6m on a 1 yr deal (but add a void yr to decrease 2024 cap to $3mish). Along with a $3-4m type deal for Ogbah, potentially add a void year to his as well. We will be in better cap position in 2025, so adding a $4-5m deferred dead cap won't break thr bank...especially compared to this yr.
I'm with you until you got to $6M on 1 year for MVS. You do realize MVS caught 21 passes for 315 yds last season, playing 58% of the snaps in 16 games and with Patrick Mahomes as his QB? It's like the "Inverse New York New York" - "If you can't make it there, you can't make it anywhere"
Chark had more snaps, yards, and receptions, he was behind Thielen, and he had a rookie QB throwing to him, so I see his 35 receptions/525 yds as more excuseable. but....... His last contract, coming off 30 receptions for 502 yds, was 1 yr/$5M fully guaranteed, in part because he missed 6 games with an ankle injury so might have done more if he stayed healthy. Well, he "stayed healthy" but didn't do too much more in Carolina, so I don't know if he's washed, or it was playing with a rookie, or ?? I don't think he's a $6M guy to Beane.
1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:As I said, it helps with development. When Mahomes clearly didn’t need a $30 million WR, they traded him and put the money elsewhere.
I think a difference is that through it all, Mahomes had his security blanket receiver TE Travis Kelce
45 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:Getting over the top will require the Bills defense to stop Mahomes at some point.
This really is a completely different topic though. Many believe WRs is how you beat Mahomes. I still believe it’s front 4 pressure making at least a couple plays late in games to stop Mahomes. The Bengals beat Mahomes because of the defense. The Bucs beat Mahomes because of the defense.
OK, so what is the difference between regular season games where our D gets stops against Mahomes, vs playoffs?
Looking at the list of starters in the box score might possibly provide a clue.
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9 minutes ago, The Wiz said:
Is this a credible source, though? It reads like kind of a fan account.
I mean, when an account has to tell you they're "credentialed media" and they don't seem to be followed by many legit media....
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8 minutes ago, The Wiz said:
That's pretty much how I see it as well. Would be interested to know the other daughters background though.
It's in Tim's article. She has a degree in geology from U. Pittsburgh and is an executive with JKLM Energy, one of Pegula's two petroleum/gas business. I believe somewhere else it said her brother is an executive working for East Enterprises (or maybe it was Rocky Mountain Oil and Gas?), which is the other Pegula core business. So she's a businesswoman with experience running things and managing people, albeit not sports teams.
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2 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:
It is a little strange.
Tim has written as though there was some type of skullduggery or power struggle, and also possibly a family feud between Jessica and Terry due to her Op Ed. Which I can't imagine her not clearing ahead of time with her Dad, actually, so let's tentatively rule that out.
It seems that other people (not related to Terry Pegula) have also been fired, so it could be as simple as "new boss wants His Guy" and could have nothing to do with Jessica's Op Ed triggering some Family Feud (which is what Tim Graham implies). Wasn't there a lot of turmoil just around that time, with the new COO being fired for having an affair with a subordinate?
It also wouldn't be a surprise if the kids from the first marriage did not want to be directly involved with the Bills while Kim was taking an active and visible role in management, but now that she's out of the picture, they're stating a preference and claiming precedence. If Laura is 41 (per Graham article) she would have been 10 when 23 year old Kim married Terry, which has to be...awkward, even if she had no particular animosity towards Kim.-
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1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:
Yeah doesn't sound good. Maybe the potential sale of 25% has something to do with liquidating part of that asset to distribute to soon to be disenfranchised heirs.
As the consultant said to a branch of my in-laws: "You guys need to stop talking about heirs and inheritance. No one has died."
15 minutes ago, HardyBoy said:Didn't we run both him and Warrow off from here? And by we I mean some of us
Yes.
Yes, they both used to post here and Tim Graham hasn't for years, while John Wawow changed his user name to @Delete This Account
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4 hours ago, Simstim said:
I'm still watching, but it has raised a question for me - unrelated to football.
When Keon talked about cooking, he talked about pork chops with a sauce that sounded like he said Deer or Beer sauce. Is that correct? What type of sauce is it?
I think it's "deer sauce" or piquante sauce. This guy will tell you how it's done (sauce starts in about 2 min in). I believe it's pretty common in Louisiana to put it on just about everything - pork, chicken, gator, deer, seafood
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17 hours ago, Starr Almighty said:
I'm not saying he will be good or not. But watching him in interviews without playing brings me back to Tre doing interviews without playing a single down. I just like them and wish them the best on the field.
rooting for him, for sure!
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3 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:
I don't recall anything from Beane about moving up in the fourth. He said he wanted to move up in the second to get Bishop, but he couldn't find a dance partner. Fortunately, Bishop fell to him.
I think the bit about moving up in the 2nd was in his Day 2 post-draft presser. The bit about 'wanting to move up but you can't always find a partner' was in his final, draft-wrap up, post Day 3 presser. He didn't specifically say "in the 4th", but....we had 4 picks in the 5th, and he wound up outright trading our 2nd 5th for a 2025 4th. I don't think it's a huge surmise that there may have been more players he wanted to draft in the 4th than in the 5th, where he flipped one to next year.
It's not a surprise that Beane would want to move up in later rounds; wanting to move up in later rounds as well as the 1st is a fairly frequent Beane MO.
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On 4/29/2024 at 9:34 PM, Shaw66 said:
Yeah. There are many ways to skin the cat. They did need a running back, and they got a guy who might have what it takes to replace Cook eventually. And I don't particularly like a plan that says "we need a player, and we'll take two to be sure we get one who works out." You're almost certainly not going to keep both of them, so you're using two picks to fill one position. Not a fan of that, but I can't say it's wrong.
I agree with both bolded points. In recent history, Rousseau and Basham come to mind. I think one reason it doesn't work out so well to double dip is illustrated in that pairing; there's a tendency, I think, to hedge one's bets in other ways than numerically. Rousseau was the high ceiling, low floor "boom or bust" guy. Basham was supposed to be the more NFL-ready 3-year starter with draft notes about his technique, explosiveness, and "plan", the high-floor low ceiling guy. But coming from a lower level of competition (I think? Wake Forest?) his floor wasn't high enough.
On 4/29/2024 at 9:34 PM, Shaw66 said:Going your way, they would need a running back in free agency. Going the way they did, they would need a receiver. Kind of six of one, half dozen of the other.
True. But I think part of Beane's choice to draft an RB, would be that the RB room has 3 returning vets in Cook (3rd year) Ty Johnson (6th year) and Reggie Gilliam (5th year).
The WR room on the other hand just lost two leaders in Diggs and Davis. We do have Shakir in his 3rd year and journeyman vet Mack Hollis. But that may have been a factor in choosing to go the FA route at WR
And I think it's likely we'll add a vet RB in FA as well.
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On 4/29/2024 at 8:38 PM, Lost said:
I woulda rather ran our RB room back with Cook/Ty Johnson and using that 4th rd pick on another WR. As it is it seems like we're putting an awful lot of stock into Coleman devolping into a #1 receiver this season and Shakir into a number 2. Id like a little more insurance than that.
Thing is, keep in mind we went into last season with Cook, Damien Harris, and Latavius Murray. Ty Johnson was on the practice squad and became an injury replacement for Harris before Game 7. Latavius Murray getting stem cell injections to try to eke another season out of his 34 yr old body; Harris retired; and Ty Johnson was less effective than either Murray or Harris (13 ypg vs 20 or 15). And it's not like Johnson was a rookie - that was his 5th year in the league.
So if we want to run the ball effectively, and we don't want our #2 RB to be named Josh Allen, we can't "run our RB room" back with Cook and Johnson. We need more running backs to stay in the same place.
I hear you on the "more insurance", but I think Beane may be looking at it as - how much insurance does a WR you draft at the end of the 4th round truly provide? And then, is it significant additional insurance above and beyond what our 5th round pick Shorter, 2 UDFA Shavers and Thompson, the two vet 2nd rounders Hamler and Isabella, and now 3 year vet Quintez Cephus, provide?
I think it's possible that Beane had a WR he liked higher up in the 4th and was trying to move up into the first 10 picks to grab one of the cluster of WR who went in the first half of the 4th, but it takes two and sounds like no one was buying what he was selling. I think I caught something about trying to move up but no one was interested (of course, there were a cluster of other RBs drafted in the 4th and some other positions, so who knows what he wanted).
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6 minutes ago, Bruffalo said:
It didn't help that he picked the opposite option route that Allen was looking for so consistently. That might have been the single most frustrating part of his game to me.
Remember that time Allen got called for grounding because Davis chose the wrong route? Has that ever even happened to any other QB in the modern NFL?
Oh, yeah, that grounding call was kind of unique. Though I'm sure it's happened before - think it might have happened to Fitzy a couple times on the Bills.
IIRC, people who know something said on at least one of those routes, Davis made the right call given the defense and Allen made the wrong call (happened a couple times with Shakir as well IIRC). Part of that is "the QB has fractional seconds with 300 lb behemoths bearing down on him" and part of that may be just not getting on the same page - maybe it's technically the right call but not aligned with Allen's preferred throw or Allen's preferred throw under duress. I think we didn't see that kind of thing so much from guys like Tom Brady because when the behemoths revved it up, he said "***** it!" and took the checkdown instead of Going for the Gusto, and maybe Allen should be doing a *wee* bit more of that, too.
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2 hours ago, Shaw66 said:
I think we can look back now and say what we saw in the second half were actually the beginnings of what Brady would like to do. I think that's what Beane's work shows us. If Brady (and McDermott) didn't want the shift we saw when Brady took over, if they had wanted something different, Beane wouldn't have take Samuel, Coleman, and Davis.
I think Davis sends a strong signal that the Bills intend to be a serious running team. Davis will take touches from Johnson - I think he will take over the #2 RB role, and I think he will emerge as a different but nearly equally valuable running back as Cook. And I think having a solid #2 was important because they want to run.
And Beane clearly was not looking for the killer big downfield threat at receiver. It's exactly the discussion you and I had before the draft. Beane's given Brady two more guys in the Shakir-Kincaid mold - good athletes who can do everything, two more guys who fit in the style that we think we were seeing in the second half last season.
Now, maybe it's all just Beane, McDermott, and Brady being practical - they didn't have a stud receiver in February and couldn't expect to find one, so rather than dream about a receiver room that wasn't possible, give where they were, they are building the best thing they can with what they have. Regardless of how they got there, however, I think the guys the Bills have added tell us something about how they intend to play. Whether it works remains to be seen.
Oh, Wow, Shaw. I don't quite know what to say here.
I do think there's an element of Beane being practical - as Beane himself said, if Coleman had run a faster 40 time, he likely wouldn't have been there when we picked. And I think he went into the draft thinking "I better come out with a S and a DT", so 4th round was the first time he thought adding an RB added value.I think Shakir and Kincaid are good athletes, but not receivers who can do everything. Nor do I think Coleman is a receiver who can do everything. I think they all 3 have things they are better suited for, physically and in terms of skills. Seeing the addition of Coleman and Samuel as evidence Beane "clearly was not looking for the killer big downfield threat at receiver" seems odd to me. Beane explicitly said Coleman's role would be to play as the "X" receiver. That's traditionally the boundary guy who is a threat downfield.
Now maybe Beane is wrong, and Coleman can't get off press (Beane said he was good at press) and can't separate "enough" downfield, or maybe Beane is "speaking with forked tongue", I don't know, but that's what he said, and (returning to the "being practical") who was on the board who looked more like a killer big downfield threat within reach of pick 28?I literally blinked and jolted back when I read "drafting Ray Davis [at the bottom of the 4th round] "sends a strong signal that the Buills intend to be a serious running team". I mean, it's certainly possible that Davis will take touches from Johnson. Johnson had 37 touches in 91 offensive snaps (30 rush, 7 receptions), though, so that's kind of a low bar? Latavius Murray had 102 touches (22 targets, 79 carries) in 351 snaps, so I think that's the production we're trying to replace, and the question is between Johnson and Davis, is that enough, or had we better add a FA who can pass protect? The run game we showed at the end of the season also reflected an outsize contribution from Josh Allen - jumping from 4-ish to 9 rushes per game. If we want to be a serious running team and not run our QB into the ground, I think it's reasonable to ask if a stable of Cook, Ty Johnson, and Ray Davis at RB is "enough"?
I mean, you may be right that the Bills intend to be a serious running team - moving on from Morse for McGovern who at least in theory, should be a better power game center at the expense of pass pro as well as Brady's actual shift from 42% to 52% rush sort of imply that. But if they want to be a serious running team, is taking a 4th round RB really enough of an add?
Time will tell I guess.
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3 hours ago, dave mcbride said:
Surprised KC doesn't like gumbo, but maybe he's sick of it.
LOL he said he scoops out all the seafood but leaves the "sauce".
A decision approved by Mack "did you ever see a lion eat soup? I want food I can eat with my hands!" Hollins.
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19 hours ago, Simon said:
Every single team worth its salt shows their leadership the courtesy of listening.
It certainly doesn't mean they are going to do whatever the captain says, but it creates a sense of ownership that is valuable in every locker room.
Riffing on this, there may be some "Devil in the Details" in the approach used.
I noticed that Beane said Allen calls or texts him and says "I've been throwing with this guy, what do you think about him?" or "I've been watching this guy's highlights, what do you think?"
I think it is possible that a certain HOF QB who recently switched teams and who was pretty loud about not having any input into team decisions, just MAY have approached his GM with more of a "this guy is really great and you ought to go get him for me" or "keep this guy on the team", which might elicit a rather different reaction from the GM and FO than "hey, what do you think about...." -
19 hours ago, Chaos said:
I doubt very many people who post on the board, feel as though they know better who the best offensive players to pick are, better than Brandon Beane.
I doubt very many people who post on the board, feel as though they know better who the best offensive players to pick are, better than Andy Reid/Chiefs.
I think a lot of people suspect the Chiefs know how do do things better than the Bills (based on Super Bowls won recently). I think some of these people are concerned that the Chiefs with Worthy will have better results that the Bills with Coleman. If they stopped to think about it, I suppose that if the Chiefs picked Coleman and the Bills picked Worthy, they would have the exact same concerns.
As fan who thinks there is a .000001 percent chance the NFL is scripted, I am sad going into the season afraid that the Bills are going to lose in the scripted playoffs on a Mahomes to Worthy pass. Mocking the Bills is a pretty joyful thing for a lot of NFL fans (sometimes even Bills fans, because if you don't laugh you have to cry)I think you have a valid ask "if the Worthy and Coleman picks were flipped, would the same people have the same concerns?" My guess is not so much, if only because Worthy generated so much "buzz" with his fastest 40 time while Coleman's 40 was "slug like". But I'd project there might still be a reasonable number of fans who would feel concern that Coleman was an unheralded underdeveloped Beast while Worthy was a fragile twig who was going to be snapped in two by the Chiefs linebackers, because I think you're correct that people believe the Chiefs know how to do things better than the Bills - and their belief has a good basis, until proven otherwise.
With regard to this board, we have the Weasel Words you "doubt very many" fans feel they know better than Brandon Beane. We've just seen (weasel word alert) a significant number of posters who are loud and proud complaining about who the Bills did or did not pick in the just-completed draft. In absolute numbers, as a fraction of the overall board membership, it may not be very many but as a fraction of people who actively post (including some who I normally consider astute and knowledgeable posters), we see various forms of that.
As for the playoffs, I'll worry about getting there first. Then I'll worry about whether or not Worthy pans out as a rookie pick and whether or not the Bills and Chiefs face off.
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3 minutes ago, Billl said:
What do you base this on? Davis has 3 career fumbles and he recovered one himself.
Davis has 20 career drops and 18 career interceptions against him. Whilst some of those are in no way his fault (Josh forcing the ball or just throwing in his general direction), a goodly number are balls he got his hands on but didn't complete the catch, or that ricocheted off his hands.
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20 hours ago, Shaw66 said:
That's an interesting take. I have trouble seeing Shakir and Kincaid leading the way. They both seem like complementary pieces.
Does anyone know of a good in-depth breakdown on the 2023 passing game? First half and second half were so dramatically different. Was it just Brady going in another direction; was Diggs slumping, or did they move away from him intentionally? Kincaid first half/second half?
I don't know of a good breakdown overall in depth breakdown, just little pieces. After the Diggs trade, in one of the OBD segments Greg Cosell minced no words about Diggs. Spoiler: he said Diggs was "no longer a #1 receiver physically at this time". He referred to Shakir as "their new #1". He puts some film clips behind his assessment
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfWFFj1lsW8
I also put some breakdowns of Brady games into the "comes down to Brady" thread
On the other hand, Devin McCourty said that "it looks like they're trying to prove they can win without him" (Diggs)" prior to the 2nd Miami game. So it may be a "chicken-egg" thing; perhaps Diggs was ineffective as the Bills had been using him, so they were trying to put him into different roles where he could still be effective, and that looked like "trying to win without him" to McCourty. Of course, we don't know why; was he suffering nagging injuries, or has he physically declined?
For either reason, it appears to have been intentional.
You can find a beautiful breakdown of each receiver first and 2nd half of season - in fact it's upthread here
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On 4/30/2024 at 7:20 AM, BarleyNY said:
I’ve been thinking about how the offense will evolve. At a very basic level I’d expect to see a short yardage and RZ package with 12 personnel including Coleman. Longer yardage and longer field personnel we might see more 11 with WRs and TE determined by matchups. Obviously nothing earth shattering in that. Just thinking about when we’d see different players on the field.
You initially said 21 (2 rb, 1 TE) then corrected that you meant 12 (1 RB, 2 TE). But a red zone package with 2 backs may actually be a thing. Recall we have Reggie Gilliam, who is a decent receiver (77.8% catch rate) and a pretty effective lead blocker on runs as well.
I think it's going to depend upon how Kincaid's blocking chops develop this season - he may be an effective red zone target, but last year he wasn't effective blocking in the compressed space of the RZ, more so blocking downfield where it's more a question of "just get in the way for a moment", he did that pretty well. So as of last year, if Kincaid was on the field in the RZ in a 12 set, that made it effectively more of a 11 set with 3 receivers if that makes sense? But if his blocking takes a step, then we could easily see more 12.-
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I've been digging around for breakdowns and analysis of Joe Brady's offense and this seemed like a good place to share.
Breakdown of his gameplan vs Jets last fall
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlsVfKrS9TQ
Kurt Warner QB Confidential analyze Brady game plan Bills vs Jetshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUfXEIL_N6c
Cover1 on Bills vs KChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fOIetvLoiM
Assessment of his passing game concepts as LSU Passing Game Coordinator
Cover1
https://www.cover1.net/lsu-bunch-formation-passing-concepts-film-analysis/More concepts from LSU offense
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uq0QNqjh5JEA look at why Joe Brady's offense failed in Carolina
https://www.si.com/nfl/panthers/gm-report/a-look-at-why-the-joe-brady-experiment-failed
Welcome any more finds anyone has with insight into how Joe Brady might shape the Bills 2024 offense
Where I am so far:
1) don't expect LSU's offense. He had Ja'Mar Chase and Justin Jefferson. We don't have Ja'Mar Chase and Justin Jefferson.
2) overall thoughts seem to be Brady was too vanilla in Carolina - not enough "eye candy" or pre-snap motion. But whether one can pull that off and make it effective, ultimately depends upon the player personnel to Do Their Job, too.
3) at the end of last season, it was very clear that Brady's offense ran more.
Under Dorsey, rush snaps were 42%. Under Brady, 52%.
But, a big part of that were Josh Allen's rush snaps increasing from ~4 per game to ~ 9 per game. In 2022, Josh was 8 A/G; prior to that low of 6.5 high of 7.4.
a) does this represent a change in philosophy to a run-first team, or
b) Brady making the best use of the pieces and plays he had available mid-season? or
c) trying to give Allen's shoulder sprain some rest so it could heal up?
4) Greg Cosell and others have commented about a switch to "big receivers". with Dalton Kincaid and now Keon Coleman. But we still have plenty of smaller receivers on the team --Curtis Samuel 5'11 195 4.3 40-time
-Khalil Shakir 6'0 196 4.43 40 time and 29" arms;
-KJ Hamler 5'9" 178 reported 4.27 40-time (oft-injured dark horse; 2020 2nd round pick #46)
-Andy Isabella 5'9" 5'8 3/4 29 3/4" arms 4.31 40-time (never-productive darker horse, 2019 2nd round pick #62)
Are we switching to big receivers, or just trying to fill a gap in what we've previously had, which is a collection of smurfs and average guys?
I think it would be a mistake for the Bills to try to run more. Bills finished the 2023 season #5 in attempts and #7 in rush yards. That would be an amalgam of a very pass-centric early season and a run-centric 2nd season. We also finished #8 in passing yards, which is similar to 2022 (8) and 2021 (9) vs 2020 when we were 3rd.
In rush yards we were 20th in 2020, 6th in 2021, 9th 9n 2022, 7th in 2023. But a lot of those rush yards were on the back of Josh Allen, and a good fraction of Allen's runs are scrambles. I would like to see the Bills develop a more effective run game that does not involve Allen, for the sake of his longievity.
Thoughts? Knowledge of what Brady did as pass game coordinator at LSU and tried to do in Carolina?
More assessment of what he did last season?
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2 hours ago, Don Otreply said:
I think your jumping the shark when it comes to what you think Allen eats every day, that he “might” eat pepperoni pizza or potato chips etc off and on doesn’t mean he has a crappy diet, football players aren’t Buddhist monks, the vast majority of them drink alcohol, and a lot of those elite athletes smoke pot, ya need to get over your misguided fan boy ideas of how these guys live their lives, just sayin…,
The thing is fans hear a thing and run with it. Like Keon Coleman talking about eating at Waffle House and McDonalds. He talked in the RGIII interview someone posted, about now people are saying all he eats is fast food; he said he knows how to cook and his mom and brother live with him, someone cooks most of the time and he eats fast food maybe once a week, like a "cheat day".
Even some guys like Zo Alexander who were outspoken about following particular diets in an effort to take care of their bodies also talked about how after a game, he would "just eat whatever" - whatever appealed to him and made him feel good, so he had a cheat day.
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On 4/28/2024 at 12:17 PM, Ethan in Cleveland said:
Honest question? Do people really think this matters? Josh tossing the ball around a HS field for a couple hours one weekend this summer. I mean it can't hurt but seriously how much can it possibly matter.
You think in the KC game they said on the sideline remember that out pattern you threw me on the Lockport Lions field in June? Let's do that again!
Honest answer: weren't you here for the multiple threads whinging that Mahomes was having photos snapped with Hollywood Brown and some other receivers in the weight room, and talking about him throwing with the Chiefs WR and some draft picks? Voices were loud and numerous that Josh doesn't put in any football work all off season.
I could have missed it, but I don't believe I saw you in those threads telling the crowds it didn't matter.
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21 hours ago, TheWeatherMan said:
Not a bad thing…injuries do happen.
It's not a bad thing, but when a guy is coming off an $8 AAV contract and a good year where he was the #2 receiver, if he can't get a good contract he'll at least want to go somewhere where he thinks he can get a good target share.
From the Bills side, I'd like to see us go after a talented younger guy OR a proven vet - not a 29 year old Never-Was12 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:I’m just mad that we’re in May begging for Zay Jones. It shouldn’t be this way!
Who is begging for Zay Jones?
Did we do enough at wide receiver?
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You make an excellent point, but part of being a 'quality' NFL WR or CB is having that swagger, that self confidence.
I think a quality FA WR looks at our roster and goes - "Huh. Rookie who ran a 4.6 40 and can't separate. Two 600 yd slot guys. Couple tight ends, I'm a receiver, don't compare me to a TE, that's offensive (channeling Beas there). Career journeyman ST guy. Imma walk to the head of that class, no problem!"
I'm not saying that to diss off Coleman Curtis Samuel Hollins Kincaid or Knox. I think they're all capable of more if Brady designs a good offense.
I'm just saying if I were a quality FA WR I would not look at myself as coming here to be #6. Even Mack Hollins, career journeyman, was quoted as saying last year
“I mean, the No. 1 spot is up and I’ll go for it,” Hollins said after a recent practice. “Drake is my roommate. He gets no free days. Every spot in my mind and every receiver’s mind is up for grabs. Just because he got a nice signing bonus, there’s no free lunches around here. No free lunches.”
Do you think Diggs moved to Houston saying "oh, Nico Collins, 108 targets, 1297 yards, I don't know how I'll get my bag behind him". Hell no. Diggs flew down there saying "you the little dog, now the Big Dog come." He might be mistaken, but that's what's in his head, in any quality WR head.