Beck Water
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5 hours ago, Green Lightning said:
Well, he's a Bill and one of us now and I will cheer him on. That said he's not a X and now one of many Bill pass catchers working the middle of the field. Still nobody for DCs to fear deep. No elite speed anywhere on this offense. I guess we're doing slow explosive plays.
Brandon Beane is on record disagreeing with you. He says the Bills will use Coleman as an X, starting, like, now.
We do have speed on the team. Curtis Samuel ran a 4.3 40 yd dash and is a solid WR.
Andy Isabella ran a 4.31 40 yd dash, was drafted in the 2nd round, and has failed to make good as a WR on an NFL team to date.
For perspective, Tyreek Hill ran a 4.29 to 4.35 40-time at his pro-day
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5 hours ago, Big Turk said:
It doesn't matter until we see him play and how they will use him. Everything else is speculation that in all honesty is meaningless.
I don't understand this "Coleman is a big slot" thing at all.
1) I read he played the majority of his offensive snaps at the X in Florida
2) we are already overloaded with guys at WR who are at their best from the slot, why ever would Beane draft a WR with our top pick if he thought he was a slot?
3) Beane has unambiguously said, Coleman will be playing the X in the Bills offense
My guess is that the Bills feel that he has the physical tools to refine his route running, because of his basketball background, and that is something they can "coach up" more easily than coaching up reliable hands or the timing to high-point balls.
One thing I'm about as positive as I can be is Beane is correct, he plays faster than his combine speed. I could see it in the gauntlet drill at the combine; somewhere it was posted he reached 21 mph by GPS.-
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5 hours ago, Brandon said:
Hopefully it works out, but its a little concerning if the QB is making the skill position picks.
He's not, don't worry yourself. He might be giving input, but it's just that - input. Allen said himself "I'd like to think I have input, but really, I don't."
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5 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:
That’s probably true and an interesting thought. The drops were tough last year.
I don't think it's just Allen.
Beane is on record saying that the last game you play in a season can really show where your gaps are. In the last game of the season, Diggs fumbled, then missed a catchable deep ball that could have turned the tide of the game. Sherfield also missed a deep ball.
Independent of whatever Allen thought, I'm pretty sure a "hands" guy who would come back and go up for the ball and had good ball-tracking skills had to be high on Beane's list and the offensive staff list.
If Sherfield makes that catch on the post, and if Diggs hauls in that ball that went right through his hands, the outcome of the KC game could very well have differed.
12 minutes ago, Victory Formation said:Give the kid a chance. There’s a reason he went #33 and Franklin didn’t go till RD4.
This take is far too rational for this board at this time. Stop Making Sense!!!!
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6 minutes ago, Virgil said:
Take it with a grain of salt. He fell for a reason and I trust the GMs. I just want my ego to feel better 😋I wanted him too. We had him visit so much, I was sure he was our boy.
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Sal Capaccio reported Beane said "no one took their call" to trade up in the 2nd round for Bishop.
Will Beane try to trade up in the 4th using 1 or more of our 5th round and later picks? If he tries, will he succeed?
I'm not asking much, but Beane, could you please come out of the 5th round with a clone of Puca Nakua?
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12 minutes ago, Virgil said:
I hope he wins ROY
E Tu, Virgil?
Never have liked those "I hope (other team) or (other team player) has way more success than the team or players on team I'm supposedly a fan of"
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Well, Denver scratched your itch for ya.
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I voted "yes, I like it".
It's one of the traits I most like in Beane that he doesn't sit around pissing and moaning about drafting at the bottom of the round each round, or missing a 3rd round pick 'cuz the NFL screwed us on comp picks.
Instead, he rolls up his shirtsleeves, maps out a strategy, and figures it out.We started the day picking at the end of the 1st round, no 3rd rounder, and only late round picks. We ended with a 3rd rounder and picking near the top of the 5th, and while TBDians coveted Worthy and Legette, evidently Beane did not so no lost opportunities we would have taken at the end of the 1st.
I do think Beane 100% picked for need though. Some combination of BPA and need always, but this year shaded more by need.
10 minutes ago, boater said:As of noon Saturday, 82% like what Beane has done. Wow, what a surprisingly high number.
If you read the comments around here you would expect a much lower approval rating. I guess the Negative Nancies are disproportionately vocal.
Always. "Nattering Nabobs of Negativity" have volume.
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36 minutes ago, Buffalo Boy said:
Didn’t see a one of you calling for Coleman….not sure I like the sound of Josh being in on the decision…..
But, having watched his highlights reel, the kid has very good in game vertical. He’s seems to have very good hands. He catches contested balls repeatedly with guys hanging on him. He seems to have short space fluidity and body control. I see an immediate Redzone target where space and coverage is assured to be tight. And he is tall which makes Josh’s life easier both visually and targeting-wise.
We needed a safety, I assumed we were going to take a DB first or second. If the kids pans out quickly , it’s a good pick. Lord knows we have had games where our secondary is dropping like flies. And, as usual, we won’t have a great pass rush from our defensive “guru” coach so the back end will have to hold up.
DT….😒….. don’t like it but it is the MO of McBeane.
I think this is round one of a two year plan and assuming a middle first round pick next year along with some late trades for more ammo next year we should be hopefully looking at a second LEGIT window opening IN 25 or 26.
Nothing says Josh was in on the decision.
Just says he was the WR of those left when the Bills picked, that Josh wanted.
It would be an assumption that Josh has influence on the draft from what he wants. As he said in his OTA interview "I'd like to think that I have influence on the draft, but really, I don't"
Now that said, and I'll ack it if people say "talking out of both sides of my mouth", I would hope Josh has input into what traits he sees missing on the team. Like if he says "I'd like a guy who is open when he's covered and can make those contested catches" or "I'd like a guy with superior ball tracking skills" or "I'd like a fast twitch guy who gets open quickly" or whatever. Same with Brady. But they aren't full time talent evaluators, so let the guys who are decide who best embodies those traits.
I think at the bottom of the 1st (which essentially is where we picked), you're not gonna get a perfect, all-rounded, developed receiver. So then it becomes "what traits do you want the guy to come with, and what gaps do you think you can coach up?" This guy has hands, and focus at the catch point. He can make those circus catches with a DB's hand in his face, which is something we just absolutely haven't had. He apparently has field vision to make moves after the catch, and strength to go through people for an extra yard or two when needed. What he doesn't have is refined route running and refined release moves.The Bills evidently believe they can coach that up, more easily than they can coach up a refined route runner to become a focused, contested catch guy.
So we'll see.
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4 hours ago, Buffalo03 said:
It says he's an NFL insider so I don't know
I think those are words any guy can use. I don't think he's an "NFL insider" in the sense of someone like Adam Schefter or Ian Rapoport etc someone with genuine connections to NFL players' agents and FO personnel. I think he's a "wannabe"
Doesn't mean he might not have legit heard something, we have guys here who hear things.
16 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:It is interesting how for everyone who has this itch, Franklin keeps dropping. So good no one here with the itch is making the actual picks. Also kind of says for everyone who may criticize Beane for not grabbing him, no other team has been interested in him yet either.
Yep at this point, pretty much every team has passed on him 3x. Couple teams have passed on him more.
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33 minutes ago, glazeduck said:
He battled wrist, ankle and core injuries at various points. As for size vs. Worthy, think it’s both a relative thing — he’s alight at 6’1 whereas worthy is just all-around a smaller guy, as well as cumulative — bad combine/lost weight, etc.
No clue what the deal is but at this point he’s too talented for the lack of risk…
Dude only has 17k followers. Without looking deeper into who the hell he is and if he’s legit, hard to believe he’s that well embedded, if at all.
Looked at his twitter profile and at the link he provided in that.
I would say he's a "wannabe" insider, not someone who is genuinely plugged in.
https://johnfrascellasports.blogspot.com/2022/10/archive-of-john-frascellas-sports.html?m=1
Still, there are guys everywhere who hear something or know something.
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2 hours ago, Aimee75 said:
When is Josh's contract up again? I would not be surprised if he asks for a trade when it's up. I would not blame him. Just wasting one of his prime years. By the time we get this team built back up to something again, he may be 30. Unreal.
I have not totally given up hope since Shakir, Cook and Kincaid were coming along nicely last season, but I can't sit here and say I am overall feeling good either.
Um....if Josh's contract is up, he does not have to ask for a trade. If a player's contract is up, they are a free agent.
5 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:People think a quarterback who went from a small school with little experience... Turned into an all pro quarterback with a crappy work ethic lol
I'll tell you what... He definitely works a lot harder than Sam darnold and Baker Mayfield and Josh Rosen
I don't think outworking Darnold, Mayfield, and Rosen (he's out of football, right?) is the standard we want our hoped-for Champion QB to aspire to.
But I understand your point about work ethic
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19 minutes ago, glazeduck said:
Man… I watched every game of this kid’s career. He played hurt, he played sick, never said a word when he was sitting and learning behind vastly inferior players, never took a play off, was a leader in the locker room.
I know you can’t know what’s in a guys heart but I have a VERY hard time believing that he’s dropping due to heart.
Size and injury feels exceedingly more likely.
What is the injury?
As for size, didn't stop Worthy from going in the first
Edit: found this, but it doesn't help too much
https://www.draftsharks.com/fantasy/injury-history/troy-franklin/34981
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22 minutes ago, jkeerie said:
Beane said that Bishop was the only player they had left on their board with a 2nd round grade. I wonder where they have Franklin?
Not with a 3rd round grade, apparently
6 minutes ago, Virgil said:
This would make sense. Maybe falling so far will humble him a bit. I don’t know how you can’t love football when you play through college.
If he’s there when we pick, I’d still take a flyer on him
I think there are guys who play football because it's their clearest path to making big money
It's one of the things that makes the top rounds of the draft such a crap shoot. I'm sure you've noticed, there isn't really a lot of disagreement about who the top college guys are at different positions. Maybe the order they're in, but not who the top 3-5 players are.
But then they don't all live up to their talent. Sometimes it's injury, but even if a guy has a good background and is reasonably grounded, handing a kid in his early 20's millions of bucks overnight can have unpredictable effects on his work ethic and dedication.
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3 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:
That sucks. Tez Walker then.
The Bills spent a lot of time with Franklin, apparently.
Maybe they had a poor first impression and wanted to see if he'd get comfortable with them and come across differently?
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7 minutes ago, Bruffalo said:
I got blasted a while back for suggesting we needed two WRs so Shakir would have legitimate competition for his spot in the offense.
Just assuming your guys will "take a step" is such poor team management. It's why we're in trouble in the WR room in the first place. There was too much misplaced faith in Davis.
I can not disagree with this take. And McKenzie, though they did bring in Crowder as competition.
But you know, the draft ain't over, and the season won't start the day after the draft, so...
9 minutes ago, Mango said:
That was my take but he’s still around and we have a bunch of draft capital still.I'm starting to wonder just WTF Franklin did though.
Did he lease a Lambo? Show 'tude during interviews? Flunk out at the whiteboard?
Welp, Then
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2 minutes ago, mrags said:
If we’re expecting some 3rd rd rookie to come in and be a team leader and captain in his rookie year; we have more problems than I thought.
Where did I say that was my expectation?
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17 minutes ago, CountDorkula said:
You could say in rd 3 getting a quality starter at any position are not good.
Well.....it depends upon what you mean by that
Overall the odds are something like 20-30% (higher at the top of the round, lower at the bottom
But they're not that much higher in the bottom of the 1st/top of the 2nd
Beane's 3rd round picks:
Harrison Phillips - struggled with us possibly due to injuries, 34 starts in 2 seasons for Vikes
Devin Singletary - 4 year starter for us, 898 yds on 10 starts for Houston last season. Solid.
Zach Moss - didn't start for us but 11 starts and 22 games for the Ponies, 794 yds last year
Spencer Brown - 41 starts including all 17 last season, Solid
Terrel Bernard - looked like a terror last season after rough rookie outings
Dorian Williams - to be determined, see Bernard, Terrel
I would say Beane's record in the 3rd round is pretty durn good - every one of the guys we have more than a year of data on can play ball. Not stars of stars, but can play. 3 of the 6 we have adequate data on have been starters for us, 2 more hit their stride for other teams.
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5 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:
We were 10000% short of leaders. We lost a ton of them.
Yeah, I'm seeing that as a theme. This guy: 3 year team captain, scholar-athlete award in the ACC. Safety Bishop, they said he's a leader, you hear him getting the DBs into position.
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13 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:
Sean McDermott is a stupid man. And he's got Beane clearly wrapped around his finger.
4 minutes ago, Gunsgoodtime said:Very possible
You guys should start a "Bad Takes" festival and sell tickets for $2 a pop.
Round these parts, you might make book enough for a Tall Flat White at Starbucks. Better go for the decaff espresso.
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1 hour ago, Locomark said:
He’s not lasting until our 95 pick.
You Sure?
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11 minutes ago, zow2 said:
Is he this years Boogie Basham?
God, I hope not.
I think he's a legit player, although it could be said, undersized for a DT in the NFL. But he seems to be a player in the Kyle Williams "rolling ball of butcher knives" mold.
12 minutes ago, SCBills said:
We need another guy, agreed. Either trade up early tomorrow and get a speed guy to be WR4 or see what’s out there after 6/1.
He does have a good OL with Kincaid, Knox, Cook, Coleman, Shakir and Samuel.
Not nothing.. but agreed.. once again, Defense looks like it’s receiving strong investment, while Offense is .. so far .. just replacing guys with equal or less proven guys.
To be fair, you could say that about defense, too, right? Bishop is replacing Poyer and Hyde with a less proven guy. Carter is replacing Jordan Phillips with a less proven guy.
We cut or let walk a bunch of vet defenders this off-season.
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For those that don’t like the Coleman pick
in The Stadium Wall
Posted · Edited by Beck Water
So for whatever it's worth, Beane and his scouts don't agree with his college profile. Beane said he's great against press and has good moves
Now he may be wrong, but that's his evaluation.
FWIW, some guys with good eyes like Dan Orlovsky and Chris Simms are enthused
PS FWIW this is what Stefon Diggs draft profile said:
"Doesn't possess the strength or long speed to make a living as an outside receiver, but he can be an extremely effective weapon from the slot as a pro". That would be news to the Vikes and the Bills.