[Haason Reddick Traded to Jets]

27 minutes ago, Logic said:

What Reddick has over Huff is that he's been good for a longer period of time. Double digit sacks in four straight seasons.

But Huff had a career year last year and seems to be blossoming into an imposing pass rusher himself.

As I pointed out in my post, they two players had an identical 22% pass rush win rate last year.

As I also pointed out in my thread, Huff had just 1 less sack than Reddick, but on 289 less attempts. That's significant.

So yes, I'm suggesting that what Huff became last year may be roughly equal to what Reddick is now. I admit that Reddick has the proven longevity factor that Huff lacks, and perhaps you're insinuating that Huff's 2023 success was a flash in the pan, not likely to be duplicated.

Me? I'll take the 25 year old and the 2nd round pick over the 29 year old and the lack of that pick. YMMV.

 

Huff might be better three years from now and it may put NY in a worse draft and cap position three year from now, but the Jets aren’t trying to win three years from now.  They’re all in right now, and Reddick is a much better player today.  Huff had a career year from a sack standpoint, but Reddick still had more while being a much better overall player.  I’m not a huge believer in “approximate value” metrics, but Reddick was an 8 last year, and Huff was a 2.  The year before, Reddick was a 15, and Huff was a 1.  

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/H/HuffBr00.htm

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/ReddHa00.htm

 

That said, I don’t really disagree with anything you said up until the ‘Douglas loss, Howie win’ part.  Philly’s been to two Superbowls and won one in the last 6 years. They’re trying to build for the long-term.  The Jets don’t have that luxury.  They’re taking a rifle shot at winning now.  This “trade” furthers both of their interests, IMO.

[Haason Reddick Traded to Jets]

1 hour ago, Logic said:

As I just saw pointed out on Twitter:

Yes, the Jets got 29 year old Reddick, but they LOST 25 year old Bryce Huff who is coming off a career year with 10 sacks.

Reddick and Huff had an identical 22% pass rush win rate last year. Huff had one less sack on 289 (!) less rushes.

So the Eagles got the younger, arguably equally productive player by signing Huff, then turned around and took advantage of the Jets' sudden need for a pass rusher by trading them the older Reddick and getting a 2nd round pick and $10 million in cap space in return.

So the Jets added a good player in Reddick, yes, but its arguably a wash with having lost Huff, but they got older and gave up a premium pick to do it.

Howie Roseman win, Joe Douglas loss.

You’re really trying to pretend that Bryce Huff is as good as Haasan Reddick?

[The unsexy, unexciting first round pick]

3 hours ago, Yantha said:

It's a fair point but you can't sign a probowl center.  They all have jobs with other teams at this point.

Kansas City has an all Pro center playing on the last year of his rookie contract. They’ve also got Trey Smith and Nick Bolton who are up for new contracts after this season as well. I don’t think they can sign all three of them. 
 

Buffalo has a need at Center and is without a third round pick. Creed and a third round in exchange for Buffalo’s first would be an interesting option, IMO.

[One month out, who are Your Guys in the draft?]

1 minute ago, gonzo1105 said:

Kincaid wasn’t a raw prospect, he was a polished product. While he’s athletic, you couldn’t classify Kincaid as an athletic freak because he never tested during the pre draft process due to his back injury 

That’s not accurate at all in terms of bing a polished product.  A huge part of his draw was the fact that he was raw since he didn’t start playing football until his senior year of high school.

[One month out, who are Your Guys in the draft?]

3 hours ago, gonzo1105 said:

I would disagree with this only because Allen was 21, Edmunds was 20, Rousseau was 20, Oliver 21, Elam 20. When Beane takes athletic profiles in round 1 he does it when they’re extremely young. He has never take a 23 year old raw prospect.

He traded up to get Kincaid just last year who turned 24 shortly after the start of the season.  He’s about the same age as Gabe Davis.

[KC Trades L.Sneed to Titans]

Good for him. He’s a great player who has earned next to nothing by NFL standards. He’s also a good dude who has lived a very rough life. It’s nice to see a guy like that get a huge payday. 

[We have not taken a step back.]

Just looking at the preseason Superbowl odds:

 

2024:  +1100

2023:  +900

2022:  +600

2021:  +1100

 

Vegas thinks the team has taken a small step back. 

[The Case for Trading Back [Discussion]]

23 hours ago, Nephilim17 said:

If, for example, they love Legette, and they're confident they can get him (and KC won't) by trading back a handful of spots, OK.

But I wouldn't get cute if they really like a guy and he's available at 28. If they don't really like a guy, sure.

Given that Kansas City has jumped them the past two years and come away with Trent McDuffie and Rashee Rice, I’m not sure that trading back behind the Chiefs this year is a great strategy.

[KC Trades L.Sneed to Titans]

4 hours ago, JaCrispy said:

Can’t believe they didn’t get at least a 2nd

I can’t believe anyone trades away anything for the right to sign a guy to the biggest contract in history.  It’s GM malpractice.

[Marvin Harrison Jr wants to be a Bill]

16 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said:

Diggs and #28 to NE for the #3 pick!

Might get you pick 20.

[Chiefs president floats the idea of the team leaving]

6 minutes ago, Paup 1995MVP said:

Why not?  Their fans are a bunch of obnoxious hicks from the middle of nowhere.  They have had their glory.

 

Didn't Gordon Gecko say that "Greed is good" in the movie Wall street?  LOL   

 

 

Why not?  Their fans are a bunch of obnoxious hicks from the middle of nowhere.  They have had their glory.

 

Didn't Gordon Gecko say that "Greed is good" in the movie Wall street?  LOL   

 

 

Why not?  Their fans are a bunch of obnoxious hicks from the middle of nowhere.  They have had their glory.

 

Didn't Gordon Gecko say that "Greed is good" in the movie Wall street?  LOL   

 

 

Congrats on finally getting Internet access in upstate NY.  You'll get better once you figure it out.

[Bills sign a safety!!!! Mike Edwards a Bill]

14 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

I’d say they like him as a “high floor” player. Meaning they believe he could at least start at multiple positions if need be. Ideally he’s the 3rd safety and will see the field during certain situations
 

Yes, he may end up starting if we don’t add anyone else.  That’s fine. He made some huge plays late in the season

His value is his versatility.  He's not great at any specific role, but you can use him anywhere.  He can play deep safety, box, and even slot corner without being a liability.  IMO, he's the best overall Safety on the roster.  Still think Beane adds a definitive starter, though.

[Chiefs president floats the idea of the team leaving]

By "leave" they mean moving across state line.  Even that's not going to happen, but this would be like threatening to move the Bills from Buffalo to Orchard Park.

[What starting spots still need to be filled?]

The biggest need on the team, IMO is a pass rusher.  Floyd led the team with 10.5, and he's gone.  Oliver had 9.5, but that was a massive outlier for him.  He had 9.5 in his previous three seasons combined.  I think his number decreases a bit next year, and maybe Von gets a couple to make up the difference.  That puts a lot of pressure on guys like Rousseau and Epenesa who have yet to really prove themselves as pass rushers.

[Does Josh Allen still work as hard in the offseason?]

19 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

OK, so "usually" = last 6 years.  Got it.

 

Just realize that another way to look at it is Mahomes has won 50%, which is a coin toss.  Now of course, getting the chance to flip that coin, is outstanding.  But I do kind of wonder if KC might be getting a little full of themselves.

I suppose if you choose to ignore the part of my post where I used an 8 year window and a ten year window and then also choose to ignore the part about Brady then my post didn't make as much sense.  

[Does Josh Allen still work as hard in the offseason?]

27 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

Except of course for Brady's 7 superbowl or conference losses, and of course, since Mahomes was drafted Chiefs have 3 SB wins and 3 SB or conf. losses.

 

So, what does "usually" mean to you?

Depends how you want to want to measure it, 5 of the last 6 have been won by Mahomes or Brady.  That counts as "usually" to me.  Granted, that's a bit of a cherry picked window, so you could go with the last decade which would be 7 out of 10 which would also qualify.  Then again, a few of those years were before Mahomes was even in the league.  Since he was drafted in 2017, it would be 6 out of 8.  During that stretch, Brady has won 3, Mahomes has won 3, and all other QBs combined have won 2.

 

So, yeah.  The Superbowl is usually won by the team with either Mahomes or Brady.

[Does Josh Allen still work as hard in the offseason?]

14 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

There's no easy way to say this but in a thread full of bad takes this may be the worst

Saying that Aikman was basically Kirk Cousins might be paying Troy a compliment.

[Does Josh Allen still work as hard in the offseason?]

20 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

Superbowls are won by teams, not by just the QB.  

Seems like they’re usually won by whatever team had Brady or Mahomes at QB.

[Bills sign a safety!!!! Mike Edwards a Bill]

42 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:

Reminds me of what people said when Poyer signed here …

 

Interesting…The Chiefs paid him $3m last year … did they overpay him?

 

I don’t think they were complaining when the SB came around…

We definitely weren’t complaining.  $3 million was a good deal.  Given the state of the FA Safety market right now, I’m guessing Buffalo got him for that or less which is a solid deal.  If you’re expecting a high end backup or lower end but serviceable starter, you’re going to be happy.  If you’re expecting him to be peak Jordan Poyer they you’re going to be disappointed.

[Bills sign a safety!!!! Mike Edwards a Bill]

51 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I think Edwards is a starter based on our current roster. But he is a low end starter. I am worried about the safety position.

 

That’s exactly what he is.  He wasn’t particularly good when he had to start, but he wasn’t a liability and that’s all you can ask from a backup.  I would be pretty surprised if both he and Rapp were first string next year.  They’re both the type of player who you can get by with if the rest of the defensive backfield is solid, but neither are really plus players.  Good signing assuming he’s in the $2 million range for sure.

[Jeremiah has us taking a DT at 28 in his latest mock]

I’d run to the podium if he’s still on the board when Kansas City picks.  

[Casey Toohill signed]

38 minutes ago, buffblue said:

I'm sure he will bring his lunch pail and hard hat

Underrated athlete…more quick than fast.

[Center Train is off and running]

What if the Chiefs offered Creed and their third for Buffalo's first?  Would that be preferable to drafting a center in the first and then only having over more pick until the end of round 4?

[Drafting 10 or 11 Rookies: Is there an argument to do that this year?]

2 hours ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

No, only because I’d like to package a few picks to get into round 3 again.

 

Future WR, FS, NT, CB4, RB3, OG4

 

QB, TE, OT, C, SS, SLCB, LB, and K/P we are good. 

They’ll still at some 1.7m dollar FAs also. 
 

 

What would you package, though?  All of your day three picks still probably don't get you a third rounder.

[Tyron Smith to Jets 1yr/$20M]

4 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said:

there is just some logic on topics you cant argue with because it makes that much less sense. 

And saying that a second team All Pro player who just got $20 million a year is nowhere near starting caliber is one of them.  That’s your statement, not mine.  Not only is he not great, and not only his he not good, and not only is he not average, and not only is he not even below average, and not only is he not a solid backup…he’s nowhere near starting caliber.  

 

What other all pros from last season are nowhere near starting caliber, in your view?