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12 minutes ago, BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P said:
I know. Point is he played above that rather low bar in a playoff game. I'm aware he's set that bar for himself tho.
It's a forum reacting over his lateral throw. From Chiefs fans watching Mahomes. That's a super specific time and place to guage national opinion dude
How about from another neutral team whose fanbase recognizes their own bust of a QB?
https://www.chicitysports.com/forum/index.php?threads/official-afc-wildcard-games-igt.75665/page-12
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4 minutes ago, BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P said:
I'm tougher on JA the most part but I thought he played very well. Fans of other teams seeing him for the first time thought so as well generally.
https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=327756&page=70
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Every non Bills fan recognizes that this is a really good roster with good coaching and a liability at QB. 90% of this board sees the exact opposite.
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2 minutes ago, Ralonzo said:
Throwing the baby out with the bathwater is why Atlanta didn't win Super Bowls with Brett Favre.
Favre threw 4 passes for Atlanta in his career. There is no correlation to their situations. He was a pro bowler his first year as a starter.
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13 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:
I hope some people will watch these games and realize every QB makes bad plays. Even the best of the best like Brees, Mahomes and Rodgers. When you watch an entire game like you watch a Bills game you see that it’s a regular occurrence for QB’s to make a bad pass or get sacked.
Yeah. I remember about a dozen times this year when Rodgers threw the ball randomly backwards to nobody for no reason.
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13 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said:
Not really a good topic with that game so fresh in memories.. last year Watson was shutout by the colts at home in the playoffs and we don’t have a receiver right now that's in the same stadium with Hopkins...in two years I have no doubt Josh will be just as good if not better then Watson
He managed to throw a TD pass in that shutout somehow.
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6 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:
So now Allen blew the lead too?
I’m gonna take a break for a few days until Allen Derangement Syndrome wears off ?
They went over 20 minutes without scoring, and he fumbled the ball to Houston without being touched and gave them a short field. Yeah, he blew the lead. I mean I thought he did. Fortunately, OMF confirmed that I was wrong and this didn’t happen. I’ve got a lot to learn about football. Can you believe I was silly enough to think the 19 points scored was the most all year against a playoff team?
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1 minute ago, oldmanfan said:
You’re wrong. Because you want to see Allen fail for some bizarre reason.
That’s a relief. I thought I watched him blow a 16 point lead yesterday. You going to Kansas City to watch him play for a spot in the AFCCG?
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3 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:
I would say Watson was better this year than two years ago. And several others have already been listed. So you’re wrong.
What a bizarre statement... Nobody is saying that third year QBs aren’t better than rookie QBs. The comparison is year 2 to year 3. It’s extremely rare to see a third year QB make a huge jump. The idea that he’s suddenly going to develop the ability to read defenses, hit receivers in stride on a consistent basis, hit the deep ball on a regular basis, etc. is not based in reality. Add to that the fact that his athleticism is his biggest asset, and it becomes even more of a stretch. He took some serious shots yesterday that he certainly still feels today.
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40 minutes ago, Chaos said:
Who fumbled more this year Lamar Jackson or Josh Allen ? Jackson
Who took more sacks this year D. Watson or Josh Allen? WatsonWho had more turnovers this year Watson or Allen? Watson
Who has more playmakers on his team, Watson or Allen? Watson
Who has a better oline Jackson or Allen? JacksonThese three QBs are not asked to play like brees or brady. Allens perceived issues are because people don't understand what he is being asked to do. And how little help he has compared to other QBs asked to do the similar things.
Are you joking?
Jackson has 9 fumbles on the year. Allen had 16.Jackson has 8 turnovers. Allen had 14.
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14 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:
Oh good. Another emotionally unhinged character that is unable to discuss Allen without having a tantrum.Address the points of discussion or move on.
I have addressed the points. The fact that he made several completely boneheaded plays is only the second most concerning thing about him. The fact that he got away with almost all of them and still only managed 19 points is far more damning. People want to pretend he’s some gunslinger, but he’s not. Gunslingers make the other team pay when they fail to capitalize on mistakes. The Texans missed several opportunities to intercept passes, recover fumbles, punch it in after being handed a short field, etc., and they never did. They gave Josh chance after chance after chance to make Houston pay, and he couldn’t do it.
The difference between Allen and Watson yesterday wasn’t that Watson’s best plays were better than Josh’s best plays. It’s that when Watson struggled he threw the ball away or went down with the ball securely in his possession. When Allen struggled, all hell broke loose.
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2 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:
So not all point totals are equal? Awesome. Whose 19 points were worth more at the end of regulation? That’s a brutal take.You’re right, dude. All drives that end without scores are created equal. It makes no difference whether you pin the other team at their one yard line with a punt or if you fumble the ball and set up the other team with a short field. It was our privilege to watch Josh MFing Allen run around like a chicken with his head cut off for three and a half hours yesterday hitting defenders in the hands with passes, fumbling the ball without getting touched, lateraling the ball wildly to nobody, unintentionally backwards to knock the team out of FG range, etc. THAT is what franchise QBs do. Whatever deal Mahomes signs, add 5% and ink Josh the following year.
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Just now, Boatdrinks said:
He didn’t fumble, granted. That’s always a plus. However, his team had zero points. He didn’t do much of anything, Zero is zero, and it’s not good however you slice it. Almost INTs , throws into double coverage and laterals that aren’t turn overs mean exactly zero in the outcome .
Not all zeroes are created equal. Scoring zero points and punting is much better than fumbling or throwing a pick six. This is pretty basic stuff. You know this. It’s embarrassing to pretend that Josh belonged on the same field as Watson. Read any other team’s message board. Allen is a punchline.
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48 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:
And what did Watson do in the first half ? Allen’s second half was disappointing for sure, but the coaches blew this game in a quarter and a half with a 16 point lead. Their all pro WR had 90 yards the second half as well, so he won that matchup. If either of two Bills defenders get Watson on the ground, the Bills may have pulled it out and you would be staying away from this board for at least a week or so.
Watson’s first half wasn’t about what he did. It’s about what he didn’t do. He didn’t drop the ball on the ground for no reason. He didn’t panic and randomly lateral the ball backwards for no reason. He didn’t throw a jump ball to his fullback who was double covered. He didn’t throw easy pick sixes. He didn’t take a horrible penalty to cost his team points.
He was bad in the first half, but he didn’t lose the game for them. He made as many splash plays as Josh, but he didn’t make the huge mistakes.
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3 hours ago, thebandit27 said:
So let me see if I get this: putting your WR in position to make a play also counts, but not if it’s John Brown failing to drag his foot at the 3, which could’ve set up a key TD, or Duke dropping a TD, or Duke dropping a first down in OT? Because those things all happened.
Did Watson get lucky because Daboll chose to run Frank Gore in key situations twice?You really enjoy duplicitous analyses huh?
It’s comforting to know that Josh is good enough to beat a mediocre team as long as every other player on his team makes every catch, every block, his coaches call perfect plays, etc. Oh, and the other team has to drop multiple interceptions, make dumb coaching decisions, etc. as well.
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3 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:
Do you think the result would have been different if the QBs just swapped teams?
Buffalo wins in a blowout if you swapped QBs.
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4 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said:
Making something happen? He lost 40 yards in 2 plays when we needed a field goal to tie with 3 minutes left. He tried to make LOSING happen.
Same thing with that lateral. Just a completely idiotic play at the absolute wrong time.
Josh played like it was the last play of the game for half of the second half. He was absolutely out of control.
It’s fascinating watching people tie themselves into pretzels to excuse what is literally as dumb of a playin a critical situation as I’ve ever seen...and that’s just one of several he made. I mean, I’m pretty sure I heard him yell “500” as he was chucking a jump ball to his double covered FULLBACK.
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40 minutes ago, Toyo321 said:
He has been this way all season. Sometimes good sometimes so, so, freakin bad that you wish that Buffalo drafted Watson or Mahomes in 2017. They had the **** chance!!!
Realistically Buffalo had the opportunity to select 5 different QBs that ultimately went in the first round. In 2017, they passed on Mahomes and Watson. Mahomes already has an MVP and is watching games from home with a bye. Watson just beat the Bills and will be facing Mahomes in KC next weekend. In 2018 they passed on Rosen (bust) and Jackson who also has an MVP award and is also sitting at home with a bye.
IMO, Allen was the worst possible selection of the 5. At least Rosen busted hard enough that Arizona moved on. Josh Cutler seems to be the emperor that is walking down the street with no clothes on yet nobody wants to admit what couldn’t be more obvious. Drop a $30,000,000 price tag on him and watch what the franchise does. Mahomes is about to set the market in the $40,000,000 per year range. He could legitimately make a run at a billion in career earnings not even counting endorsements if he plays for 20 years. Is anyone really prepared to pay Josh even 75% of that, because that’s what a franchise QB his age is going to command.
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14 hours ago, oldmanfan said:
Offense could have done more. Duke catches the ball in the end zone, better blocking, etc. but the question seemed to me to be pick one thing that cost the game. And you can’t just give up 19 points in a row like that.
Wtf does "19 points in a row" mean? They were on in a row because the offense didn't score. Maybe if Josh hadn't rolled the Texans the ball, they wouldn't have given up 19 points period. The defense was great. They we're dominant at times. The difference is that Watson acted like he cared about the ball while Josh treated it like candy at a parade.
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If you want the truth, read any other team's message board. Every fan without a dog in the fight can see the obvious, and that is that Allen was not just bad. He was a clown out there. He fumbled once by just straight dropping the ball. Very nearby fumbled again a split second after his knee touched, threw two consecutive passes that should have been intercepted for touchdowns, threw a ridiculous jump ball to a freaking fullback in double coverage, had another interception dropped by a DB, made the most ridiculous lateral I've ever seen, and took an intentional grounding penalty that ultimately cost the game.
Yeah he made his typical 3-4 spectacular plays that only a few QBs in the league can make, but he simply can't be counted on not to crap the bed. If Houston had been able to capitalize on half of his terrible mistakes, this game would have been a blowout. You can live with the gunslinger mentality with a guy who lights up a scoreboard, but Josh doesn't do that. What's more is that his dumb mistakes aren't even the result of him being aggressive and trusting his arm to hit tight windows. They're just stupid.
Fall in love with the flash plays at your own risk. Ultimately there's a reason his numbers stunk in high school, junior college, college, and now the NFL. He looks the part. He talks the part. He just doesn't play the part. Every other fan base recognizes it. Here's what fans of the Chiefs thought about it the game that would help determine their next opponent. http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=327756&page=69
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5 hours ago, row_33 said:
playing like this is drooled over by the media until the inevitable too-soon curtailing from injuryWhich QB has missed games due to injuries each season, Jackson or Allen?
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Just now, Scott7975 said:
Greatly helped by his 15 yard pass that was taken another 45 yards to the house by an untouched 260lb TE.
I am impressed by what Jackson and the Ravens have done this year. I just don't think its sustainable.
Yeah, kind of like how Josh's stats would have been greatly helped by receivers running into the endzone for long touchdown catch and runs if he hadn't overthrown them by 5 yards every time one of them got behind the defense. The difference is that Lamar hit his man in stride. That's a feature, not a bug.
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1 hour ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:
I watched Lamar play against Buffalo, SF, NE and Seattle. He is a runner who makes defenses guess if he is going to run and thus this gets his TE’s open. The Bills slowed him down big time. Make Lamar play QB and see if he can beat you. The scoring is going down against athletic good defenses like the Bills and 49ers. I expect that will continue. We can agree to disagree. Lamar needs to develop his game to be a long time QB in the league, otherwise he is destined for a much shorter career.
Jackson averaged 5.8 yards per attempt. Allen averaged 3.7. The best passing QB on the field was wearing purple. The Ravens have the highest scoring offense in the NFL. Their offense put up the service highest point total against the Bills this season. The Ravens are steamrolling to the number 1 seed in the AFC, and Jackson is the runaway favorite for MVP.
If what he's done doesn't impress Bills fans, you might as well drag Josh out behind the stadium and put a bullet in him because there is zero reason to believe he'll ever touch what Lamar is doing.
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38 minutes ago, jrober38 said:
The issue is there were plays to be made yesterday.
Allen missed 3 wide open deep touchdowns in the first quarter alone.
His deep ball is laughably bad.
So many posters are excusing Josh's performance because he was under heavy pressure most of the game. The problem is that they're ignoring the reason for the pressure. Baltimore was able to pick their ears back and blitz because they weren't afraid of Allen beating them over the top. The Ravens basically decided that they didn't need their safeties to defend passes, and it's not because their corners weren't getting beat. It's because JA was missing his receivers by 5 yards. If he's even close on those throws, Wink would have had to be more judicious with his blitzes.
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Allen out-playing other playoff QBs
in The Stadium Wall Archives
Posted · Edited by Billl
Show me one example of him throwing a total jump flutter ball to a double covered fullback.