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5 minutes ago, Tim Tindale said:
1) You have no idea how they grade out their own players, especially after only one good year in Nico’s case (after two below average years without Stroud).
2) They are $60MM under the cap currently in 2024 and over $100MM+ in 2025, with a franchise QB already in place on the cheap. That affords them an awful lot of flexibility.
I don’t why I’m pushing this, honestly. I just hate the implicit “zero percent probability” comments. We have no idea how either GM might attack this when you have lighter skill talent, a cheap stud QB, and a ton of cap flexibility on one side and the other side is more aged and in cap hell. These types trades happen in the NBA quite often. I just don’t see why it’s just so impossible in this case.
None of us know how they grade out players. Not sure that even needs mentioning. Beyond that though I actually agree with you - I don’t see it as a zero percent possibility either. Just very very close.-
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23 hours ago, Tim Tindale said:
Honestly, while I have no idea if this rumor has merit, identifying Houston as a landing spot isn’t crazy at all:1). Nico Collins is on the last year of his rookie deal in 2024. He’s going to want 1a WR money. Is that the WR you want to pair with Stroud and pay 1a money to? I would be questioning that.
2) Tank Dell is a 5’8” 165-pound slot receiver on a rookie contract coming off a major injury. It’s irrelevant to whether you want to bring in an expensive WR1 to pair with Stroud.
3) Metchie is one year removed from leukemia with two years left on a rookie deal. He caught 16 balls this year for 160 yards. I mean, WR4 perhaps?
4) Robert Woods will be 32 next year coming off a 40-catch season with one year left on his contract. He’s maybe a JAG, at best, at this point in his career.
5) If I’m Houston, I’m trying to find my Jamar Chase, Tyreek Hill, Ceedee Lamb, or dare I say, Steph Diggs to pair with my franchise QB. A Ferrari at WR1 that I’m willing to pay. Tee Higgins fits the bill but he is probably going to get franchised, and then you have to outbid other suitors after 2024. You can go the draft, but you have to hit the pick correctly.
I don’t view that WR room as loaded at all and Diggs makes a lot of sense there, particularly if the WR1 is not in the building. Niko Collins may not be the guy you want to pay top 10 WR money to after next season.
They have the room because Collins and Stroud are on rookie contracts.
I mean, it’s not a crazy rumor at all from Houston’s side.
If you are Beane/Bills, you make the deal because you think Houston believes Diggs is still a top 10 WR while you are convinced he’s on the decline with a massive contract.
Seems like a reasonable rumor to me.
so they wouldn’t pay Collins but gladly pay up for Diggs who’s 7 years older? Sure-
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45 minutes ago, Returntoglory said:
I find it rather astounding that four of the most heartbreaking losses, probably the top four over the years for our Buffalo Bills, have centered around kickers and/or kickoffs.
Superbowl XXV- Wide Right, Norwood Kick.
Miracle City Miracle- Forward lateral on kickoff.
13 Seconds- Bad Kickoff resulting in tying FG taking game to OT with KC winning.
Bass missed FG- Bass missed kick that would have put us into OT (most likely) against KC.
Are we snakebitten when it comes to kickers?
Do we minimize the value of a good kicker?
The kickoff in 13 seconds was a contributor to that loss but not the proximate cause. That was the horrible defense and defensive calls after it.A Bass make there most certainly does not “likely” get us to overtime and I can’t even understand why you would suggest that, other than it fits your flimsy narrative. Mahomes had way more than enough time to drive right back down in FG range or score a TD.
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7 minutes ago, HomeskillitMoorman said:
I think that is a standards thing though, the logic of "I'd rather have a Divisional Round appearance type of team than to take a risk to reach the next level, because we could be worse". And that's fine, but the standards part still rings true. But if you're happy with that, I think you do have the right coach leading this team for you.
It’s a standard level learned through past experience though, not just plucked out of the sky. That’s not to say there isn’t a possible coach out there that could have succeeded where McDermott didn’t the last 3-4 years, but I don’t know who that may be for certain and neither do you.-
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2 minutes ago, HomeskillitMoorman said:
It isn't.
That's happened 3 years in a row and people want the man in charge of it back. McD's side of the ball has let us down in every single big game. The part of football that he was supposed to bring his proficiency in. He's also been a horrible in-game manager and has never put in the work to improve himself as one. He has gotten some world class performances from his QB in the playoffs, with really just 1 legitimate stinker in which his defense was also bad, and can never hold up his end of the bargain. He contributed heavily to the biggest meltdown in Bills history with 13 seconds.
Yes, the standards are incredibly low to want this guy back. It's either people feel that these seasons have been huge accomplishments or they like him personally more than the team's possible success. If you consider it a disappointment when his side of the ball and Head Coaching duties have largely been responsible for those disappointments...why would you want him back? And if you don't consider it to be a disappointment...then isn't that the standard you see as being fit? I think that's a fair question.
Or people just correctly realize that it could easily be a lot worse.-
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On 1/29/2024 at 5:12 PM, Peevo said:
Appreciate your perspective. I appreciate you engaging with my point.
I'm too young to remember the early 90s.
But there seems to be a real hesitance to my generalized "every NFL team should play every NFL team" each season idea.
This is not a crazy idea, in my opinion. It's almost heretical, judged by some of these responses.
NHL teams play a brutal, violent, unhinged, bloodsport 82 times a year. How many concussions per year in the NHL? It's just, if not more violent, than the NFL. Then after all of that, they play another 20 plus brutal, violent, exhausting playoff games to determine a champion.
Daring to suggest professional football players play 31 games in a calendar year is somehow some absurd idea. Increase rosters, bake in some "no more than 20 starts per player" rule and really force teams to have 2 QBs to be competitive. I know, none of this will happen.
But isn't this more fun than "the Bills should draft this player in round 5 I've never heard of from a college i've never watched" conversation?
Lol. NHL Hockey is not the “bloodsport” it once was. Not even close. And if you’re too young to remember the ‘90s Bills you’re definitely too young to remember when the NHL was brutal.
now you’re just telling on yourself. Tap out.
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All I’m reading here is “loser mentality has so infected my brain let’s just turn the NFL into the Premier League.”
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9 hours ago, Steptide said:
I'm just as mad/dissapointed that we lost last night as any other bills fan today. Last week I heard alot on local sports talk radio about how this was our year and how if we just beat kc, it's gotta be our year finally. OK, based on what?!
The last 8 games have been fun. Nobody thought this team would win the division, let alone be the 2 seed and host 2 home playoff games. Having said that, our offense needs serious help. Allen is an absolute animal, but he can't do absolutely everything. I've seen Diggs take alot of flack today on social media and it's well deserved. He's been non existentent the last 8 or so games. Harty and sherfield were complete non factors the entire season. Gabe played nowhere near what we (and the team) expected. Knox was hurt and even when he wasn't, he wasn't exactly a game changer. Kinkaid and Shakir were the lone bright spots, and Shakir really didn't show up until after Dorsey was gone. Cook was great, but we need more. The defense came through, even as beat up as they've been, but in today's nfl you cannot rely solely on the defense. WGR brought up a great point this morning, saying how kc has won superbowls when their defense was ranked in the mid 20's. We need more offense.
I could go on and on, but Imo this wasn't the team that was gonna win it all. I was worried about last night's game, and even had they pulled it out, I'd never believe they could get through Baltimore. Houston has a similar offense to Buffalo and they couldn't muster more than 3 points on offense against Baltimore. Ya I know they have a rookie qb, but stroud is a beast. It'll be super interesting to see what kc does against Baltimore next week. I think Baltimore beats kc by 10 🤷 thanks for letting me vent
No I agree. They would’ve been waxed by Baltimore either way.-
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45 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:
I really hope that it was nobody here that was making those death threats. I wanna believe that we’re better than that.
Oh I’d like to believe that too but I honestly don’t. You’ve seen and read some of the absolute idiots that post here recently.-
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Anyone sending Bass (or anyone) death threats over social media is a scumbag of the highest degree.
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53 minutes ago, Bills!Win! said:
The Sheldon Family Cemetary is our curse. We won’t win the Super Bowl until our new stadium is built in 2026 and Rich Stadium is demolished.
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20 minutes ago, Beast said:
In a night we are all pissed I have to tip my hat to him. This guy can play the game of football and was a bright spot for the Bills whenever he saw the field. The guy runs angry and can catch the football when it’s thrown his way.
I’m not sure of his contract status but I hope the Bills can keep him. You win games with players like him.
dude ran hard and played his butt off.-
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1 hour ago, BarleyNY said:
That’s the other thing with PFF - they have to take semi-educated guesses as to what a player’s assignment is on every single play. You give a good example of them guessing incorrectly. Besides, how often is a player’s assignment more nuanced? In this situation your primary responsibility is to spy the QB. Secondarily it is to cover space or a player. Next play it flips due to circumstance. And then there are players like Troy Polamalu, who freelanced by design on most plays. How do you grade that?
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3 minutes ago, DCOrange said:
At the end of the day, I don't think it's wise for people to treat PFF grades as "gospel" as I believe JJ Watt said it. As best as they try, grading football players is ultimately a subjective exercise, regardless of if it's a nerd or a coach doing the grading. If you're willing to pay for what IMO is a very expensive subscription, I believe you are able to get a somewhat detailed breakdown of what went into each player's grade in a given week but that's just not an additional expense that I need in my budget lol.
Anecdotally, I feel like when there's occasional viral moments like this where they do come out and explain a specific rating, it generally makes sense. I'm sure there are plays that can be nitpicked but I appreciate when they show their work on stuff like Stroud vs. Love and that one game several years ago when Aaron Rodgers threw for like 400 yards and 5 TDs but received a pretty mediocre grade because it was basically all off of screen passes and busted coverages. I generally feel like I agree with or at least understand situations where a player has great box score stats but a relatively low grade (Jordan Phillips 9.5 sack season with us is one I remember off the top of my head). But obviously I'm only really looking at players that I care about; I can't say I have any idea if Peter Skoronski's run blocking grade is accurate or not.
That’s all perfectly fine - so long as it’s made clear that these things are purely subjective analyses. These are people watching tape and assigning grades on a scale that they created.
My main problem with them is these two sides of their business are conflated together and now everything is shrouded under PFF’s data analytics. And they really don’t seem interested in speaking up and differentiating the two to the public.
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10 minutes ago, DCOrange said:
They have done this several times over the years. Unsurprisingly, most of the people (not saying you, just the general people that go crazy on Twitter and such) that complain about them don't really care to invest time in reading/listening/watching. The link below includes guides as to how they grade the different position groups.
It does not include answers regarding who is physically doing the grading, who reviews the graders, etc., but I believe that's been answered elsewhere as well. If I remember right there's like a three-level review process on every game.
I’ve read all this in the past, along with Matthew Coller’s book. The example clips they give do help add some understanding of it.
Still need to know who’s doing these evaluations and how they are qualified and vetted.
There are still too many head-scratching grades on a semi-regular basis with this outfit.
30 minutes ago, HoofHearted said:PFF grades are for fans. They serve no purpose to teams.
exactly. The player grades are an entertainment product. They’re glorified power rankings.-
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Good luck Jerruh
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7 minutes ago, Beck Water said:
I could be wrong but I thought public safety isssues (severe weather necessitating driving ban, need to have emergency responders helping people vs. directing traffic and policing game) were the major reasons for the cancellation?
In his interview on Pat McAfee, Mitch Morse said game safety concerns were pointed out to the players - for example, in the weather that occurred on Sunday, if there were a serious injury on the field, EMS could be unable to get the injured player through the weather to a Level 1 Trauma Center in a timely fashion.
McAfee looked like he was having a 💡 "oh *****, you're right, I never thought of that!" moment.
It is possible that enlightenment will come to Watt.
Or, maybe not.
People pointed that out to Watt shortly after he posted that and he acknowledged it.Somebody can be right about one thing and wrong about another.
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2 hours ago, BullBuchanan said:
I mean, most coaches are awful and the majority of the rest are painfully mediocre former athlete dinosaurs. Is it a surprise their grades don't correlate 1:1 with empirical analysis?
A grade is a grade based on inputs and a model. It doesn't care what you believe. What a result of a model means is up for interpretation, but the grade itself really isn't so long as the input is accurate to the rubric.
There is nothing empirical about PFF player grades. Jesus Christ.Edit: and this is the biggest problem with PFF - they’re liars (or at least, manipulators.) PFF holds themselves out as leaders in analytical football data. and they do in fact do a lot of that - that’s what they sell to teams. But PFF player grades are not that, never have been. That’s their fan facing product. That’s to drive those clicks and engagements. And they rely on fans like ol’ Bull here, who’s never met a topic he knew nothing about he wouldn’t comment on, to not know the difference. And they’re succeeding.
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42 minutes ago, BlazinBill said:
IMO having a response to criticism like that just screams lacking belief in what you do-it’s really not productive. If PFF believes in what they do a simple no response says more- to me anyway .
I 100% agree with you. If PFF put out more publicly on how these graders are trained and instructed, it might alleviate some of this bewilderment for some of their grades and hatred for them in general. But they don’t do that. Wonder why?-
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https://x.com/pff_sam/status/1747719174867079220?s=46&t=rG8S37R56ISI2zmCE2WlYQ
PFF’s response
(edit: I have no idea why X links don’t embed automatically anymore, sorry guys)
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9 minutes ago, eball said:
Love this. Many of us have been "skeptical" (I'm being kind) to the grading system PFF uses to assess NFL players.
Glad someone of Watt’s stature finally said it.-
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2 minutes ago, Johnnieo64 said:
How does this Buffon keep his job? He is totally biased and gives Josh Allen snd the Bills no credit. Other broadcasters look at things objectively like Colin Coward and Brossard and give Josh and the Bills the credit they deserve. This guy just totally looks at all the negatives and no positives. I guess he does it to get attention as it certainly isn’t because of his sports analytics. He is a total POS. Unwatchable!!!!
It’s an act, and a bad one at that. Don’t watch.-
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1 hour ago, Doc said:
The above is the late hit. It's called 100% of the time.
Absolutely. And that defender had more opportunity than most of those flagged for this to adjust his launch angle and attempt to go over top of Allen. He wanted to deliver that hit.-
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4 minutes ago, nedboy7 said:
Am I reading correctly that the storms this week will also impact practices?
It appears so at least for today’s yes. And?
McDermott’s Learning Curve
in The Stadium Wall
Posted
Cool. So what’s your solution? Who’s the replacement?