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20M for 3 years would be about right.
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16 hours ago, ArtVandalay said:
You know how many 30 year old WR had 900+ yards last year?? 0.
That's all the math you need.
Don't sign 30+ WR to big money.
I agree, you take the Bellicheck theory on WRs especially, better to lose them a year early than keep them a year too long. Diggs is a good player and still playing at a high level, but he’s dangerously near the end of his best days. I wouldn’t resign him, unless it’s truly a bargain.
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2 minutes ago, CountDorkula said:
ID be all for it, They need about 3 mil for Rookies.
The Diggs Extension is something of an interesting topic for me. I think he's looking for top 5 WR money which is about 26 a year. IF you can make it work where he somehow drops his cap hit to like 5 mil this year but also leave flexibility for the next few years then do it.
You really can’t drop his cap hit to 5 in any real world scenario AND keep flexibility later. The deal for Miller was a dangerous game of punting the cap hit down the road, works to get him on the squad this year and you hope the cap goes up next year, but if you look at the implications for the future, that’s how you become the Saints, Rams etc. Allen’s money hits next year, Miller hits, and then Diggs, the 3 of them would account for 75M+, nightmare scenario for talent retention. I see the best way as actually bringing Diggs number up a little this year, to 20 from 17, with something like a Hill deal, 4 years 70M guaranteed, he gets 40m signing, 10m base for 3 years guaranteed, 30M year 4, no guarantees. He gets close to the top on everything and you cap hit remains manageable at 20M, plus you aren’t paying past his prime.
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So right now he’s due about 13.5M for the next 2 years at cap hits of 17 and 18 M.
You COULD tear up his contract and give him a 4 year deal that would have a 10M base guaranteed for 3 years, a 40M signing bonus and a last year non guaranteed base of 30 M, now he has a 4 year 110M deal, with cap hits of 20M for 3 years, and a dead cap of 10M last year, which could be a post June 1 cut at 5M. Now he’s paid elite, cap hit is about the same, Josh keeps his boy, and we are out at 32yrs old on a small WR. He gets 70M guaranteed, just behind Hill.
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11 hours ago, hmsmystic said:
This article makes some good points- these huge QB really deals can harm teams caps. I am not sure what other options there are...I mean you have to pay Josh Allen..
Very concerning watching this gross receiver money-- what are we going to have to pay for Diggs??
I honestly don’t think they will keep Diggs on a long term contract. The same thing that happened to RBs is about to hit with WRs. Teams that pay 25M+ for one guy to touch the ball 10 times a game are going to find out it’s not worth it. The values will head back to reality. The difference between a WR being great or just pretty good is the QB throwing them the ball. There are elite talents out there, Adams appears to be one, Hill is completely unique and Deebo does things no one else does, aside from them, maybe Kupp and Hopkins?
Without Allen, Diggs was good, now he gets CALLED great. He’s not. Justin Jefferson stepped into his spot and out produced everything Diggs had done in Minn as a rookie, and backed it up the next year. Diggs got Allen and BARELY had more yards than Jefferson as a rookie. Look at what Allen has done with nobodies, he got 1k out of John Brown who proved to be a fringe NFL player as he left. He got Beasley the most yards he’s ever had (almost 1k), he made people believe Robert Foster was a NFL player. He was the man behind getting our 4th round WR a 225 yard game in the playoffs.
Allen will make WRs, just like Brady did. Give him reasonably good ones, he will make them look great, give him Randy Moss and it’s not even fair. How many big time WRs did Brady have through his Patriots career? 1. Brady made the rest of them. How many rings does he have.. a lot. Diggs is not Randy Moss, he’s more the mold of a Welker who was good before Brady and considered a HOF player with him.
I see the Bills drafting WRs and pushing them into action, along with signing guys like Crowder, Sanders etc, who want a chance to shine. If Davis comes on this season, I’d bet you see Steph get a rework of his contract to get him more money up front and a set up to unload him when they need to resign Davis, they keep the younger guy, let Steph go get paid big money by some other team at 30+ years old and move on.
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5 hours ago, mannc said:
Nonsense. Diggs certainly helped, but he’d been in the league 5 years and Josh Allen elevated him to elite receiver…in his first year with Josh Allen, over 400 yds more than he’d ever gained in his career.. same with Beasley.
Let’s not forget he took the corpse of John Brown over 1k in yards and had people believing Foster was too valuable to trade (subsequently cut btw).
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20 minutes ago, Marvlevydraftdaygenius said:
That speed and size underneath in the pass game forces defenses to move up and cause a linebacker to worry about Breece coming out of the backfield and it opens a lot of space for josh to scramble.
This I agree with whole heartedly. He does cause match-up problems, no matter how you look at it. If he goes to the flat, you aren’t leaving a CB on him, going to take a LB to handle someone that big.
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4 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said:
They should be commended for their ranking and targeting of Allen.
They also got incredibly lucky - TWICE - first by having Mahomes fall to them and then by having Allen fall to them. It's incredible when you think about it.
Watson fell past them too. Obviously his name has now been dragged through the mud, but you are talking 3 of the top young QBs in the league in 2 years.
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Make some more cash big fella! Love the potential with him, but it didn’t seem to translate well.
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Well that sucks.
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39 minutes ago, Magnum Force said:
He won’t be there at pick 57
You hear that about every player, every year. Just no saying that’s the case.
1 hour ago, NewEra said:But he’s 6’1 220 and runs a 4.39!
😂 yes. I should have been more caught up in the Underwear Olympics.
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I like what I see in that he appears to actually have vision, that’s awesome. I don’t see a super physical runner, especially for his size. He bounces a lot to the outside. Hands look good, has some shiftiness to him. Trying to think of a guy to compare him to and all I come up with is Melvin Ingram III, which isn’t enough for me. Ok if he’s there in the second, but I’m not burning a first on him. He’s a little like Henry coming out, that worked out, but he struggled early.
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On 3/21/2022 at 4:14 PM, PetermansRedemption said:
One could argue the way to approach the backup QB spot during the super bowl window would be the opposite, draft a young, cheap cost controlled backup to hold the roster spot for the next few years. Figure either way, if Josh goes down your screwed. Might as well put the cheapest body you can at the position and use the cap elsewhere.
But the difference between playoffs or not may be one win, hence you try to have a guy that gives you a chance to get that win.
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Gotta imagine it’s a vet min deal. He’s not exactly an in demand player. Good person to teach the youngsters on PS and to be an emergency use guy. If Josh goes down for a week, Keenum starts, but we have somebody in house to back up, solid move.
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I wonder if they will package Edmunds and a pick to move up. If they can get one of the Georgia LBs for example, lower the cap hit and solve the problem for the next 4-5 years at a lower cost.
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1 hour ago, mannc said:
Sorry, Stef…you’re under contract for two more years…
Until he decides to sit.. he’s getting low balled and knows it, they will have to do something with him. I don’t support that, but it’s life in the NFL.
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On 3/19/2022 at 9:35 PM, JayBaller10 said:
I think the league is flooded with good to great WRs, but it doesn’t hold true for those other positions - QB, DE, OTs, and CBs. In that sense I don’t recognize it as a premium position. Similar to RB, it’s not starving for talent. The only WRs I’d break the bank for are the physical freak, future HoFers like Randy Moss. I wouldn’t allow anyone else to approach obscene numbers like $30M/yr, I’d have a percentage allocation of the cap for replaceable positions if I were GM.
We agree on that! No way I’d touch that Adams contract. The guy is going to get at best 10 catches a game (average) and yes, maybe they make some that others wouldn’t, but I don’t think it’s the difference between winning and losing as much as people make it out to be. Diggs is a guy I really wouldn’t pay, no physical traits that scare you, he’s really a small possession WR. I love him, puts up good numbers, but a huge difference maker? No. John Brown put up over 1k here, Robert Foster looked like an NFL player with Josh. Josh will make any WR look good. I would be drafting one early this year and look to the future of a reasonable extension for Davis and letting Diggs walk. DJ Chark is getting more than Diggs right now, so he’s underpaid, but you can’t give him what the market will and expect to keep winning, he’s not the game breaker you need at 20+ a year.
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Man, the Colts keep trying the Elway theory and blowing it. You can’t get guys that have never been greats and expect greatness when they are 40 years old.
If they give up any real assets for him, their GM should be fired. I could see a flier on Mayfield, giving Mariota another shot, Minshew, whatever, but Matty’s Corpse is on Ice at this point. Just a bad move. Love to see it from a team that’s built to contend.
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Always liked him, a little long in the tooth, but a good signing I feel.
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Could not justify taking him in the first, BUT, I could see sending next years first to somebody to get him in the second. You think you are picking 32 next year, you aren’t getting that talent in that range and it’s always a position of need. If you can pull it off, I’d be happy with it.
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I’d sign Winston for zero draft capital if he will make the move. Mariota would be #2, then I’d look at giving up picks for bad contracts.
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21 hours ago, JayBaller10 said:
I’ve said it before, WR isn’t a premium, in demand position. There are receivers coming out every year ready for the NFL. I’d be hard pressed to pay Diggs $25M/yr and I love everything about him from his leadership to his play on the field. Save that money for the QBs, OTs, DEs, and CBs. Those positions are all talent starved.
I think you are wrong about WR not being a premium position, it is. That said, I don’t think it should be. There’s 2 out there every play at minimum.
2 things, 1)Diggs should have been extended before the market reset, reallly felt Beane blew that before things went batshit crazy.
2) Diggs is not the type of WR you pay big for. He small, not explosive, a possession WR. I like him, but he’s not the guy that can take any DB and over power, out run, out jump them and make the big plays. He’s a great route runner, does pretty well off the line, finds space. He catches a lot of balls bc of it, but still little after catch and not a great RZ target. Fan boys are going to point to TDs, great, but how often are they in goal line situations? Great between the 20s.
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1 hour ago, Rico said:
Nope. Didn’t trade for Jerry Hughes either.
He was the GM for the Tre draft, people want to blame him for Buddy Nix drafting Manuel and give McD credit for Tre, that’s BS.
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55 minutes ago, Rico said:
Nope. Didn’t trade for Jerry Hughes either.
He was the GM for the Tre draft, people want to blame him for Buddy Nix drafting Manuel and give McD credit for Tre, that’s BS.
55 minutes ago, Rico said:Nope. Didn’t trade for Jerry Hughes either.
He was the GM for the Tre draft, people want to blame him for Buddy Nix drafting Manuel and give McD credit for Tre, that’s BS.
55 minutes ago, Rico said:Nope. Didn’t trade for Jerry Hughes either.
He was the GM for the Tre draft, people want to blame him for Buddy Nix drafting Manuel and give McD credit for Tre, that’s BS.
Drew Rosenhaus says there’s more bombshell trades coming.
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I wonder if the Browns won’t hold on him for the first half of the year when it’s likely their new jackass will be suspended.