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On 4/29/2020 at 9:54 AM, matter2003 said:
IMO leg strength is not the most useful characteristic for a kicker. I have always had a booming leg going back to my youth soccer playing days. I have literally knocked bolts out of goal posts from my shot hitting the goal frame and dislocated a few kids fingers playing goalie growing up from them attempting to make saves on my shots. In my first practice on the soccer team in 6th grade the coach literally stopped practice after she saw a shot to try and find out who kicked the ball because it was a laser from about 30 yards out into the top corner of the goal (she was working with some other people on the team about something and looked up and saw it going in the net). The player was me. So my leg has always been exceptionally strong from a kicking perspective.
I started playing rec football on a few flag and touch leagues as a kicker and spent considerable time working on technique. Leg strength will only get you so far as a kicker. I have hit 55 yard FG's and probably could hit from 60 based on leg strength. But I no longer have the leg "whip" speed due to heavy weight training and squats, etc.
And that is actually what is needed more as a kicker than pure leg strength. How fast you can whip your leg will determine how far the ball goes far more than pure leg strength in most cases. Now ideally you want both, but if I had to choose one it would be speed of the leg whipping forward as you strike the ball as most important in determining how far the ball will go and not what most people would consider leg strength.
Same as any sport where hitting a ball is the objective, the speed of the object hitting it ultimately trumps mass. Most people equate strength with being able to swing, kick, throw hard, when the reality is the stronger you have to be to generate speed, the more you have to "force" the velocity and often are far less accurate. Having quick twitch, whip, whatever you want to call it is the key, strength is really more about joint preservation/having stamina to continue to kick.
Nolan Ryan, Randy Johnson, Kershaw etc, lanky and get crazy whip, no forcing 100mph pitches.
Jack Nicholas, Tiger, Rory, DJ, all crush a golf ball, not all the same size, not really that big either (Tiger had to deflate to get distance back).
Looks at the best kickers, yes they tend to have built legs because or repetitive use, but they are rarely a bulky guy.
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1 hour ago, ngbills said:
A) Fromm was never considered a top prospect. Has always been what he is - a game manager type and likely back up at best.
B) Barkley is not paid that much. So no it was not some genius move to find a cheaper back up.
Look back 2 years and he was considered a top prospect. He beat out 2 other top prospects, he's not a bad player, just limited by an average arm.
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There's a chance you pull a pick for a lineman on either side, they are always in demand. We dont have anybody on the backend of the WR rotation that justifies a pick outside of Roberts if somebody is DESPERATE for a returner and we should be keeping him for that.
Hauska is possible if he has a good summer and they choose to go w Bass. Kickers are valuable, might pull a 5th for him.
Maybe Sweeney if they are foolish and keep all the trash in front of him.
Barkley has no value while Dalton and Cam are FA, if he had any prior.
Theres a shot in the secondary as well, but low potential imo.
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Every kicker was a rookie at some point.. let him compete and may the best guy win.
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18 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:
I think some compare him to other speed rushers or “EDGE” guys when that’s not really who he is. He wins with power, technique, hands vs speed off the edge. Similar to Shaq in terms of type of DE but i think epenesa is a better player with a higher ceiling. I think moving him inside next to Oliver on passing downs would be awesome.
Agreed, he’s more of a bull than a dancing bear, but he’s also very good at getting free. Somebody like Brady, with quick drops and passes, can completely neutralize his type of game on the edge. But give that ball an extra pat on a 5 step drop and he can get home, you also won’t run him over like Murphy, etc. I do think he could raise absolute hell from the 3 tech spot, which could be interesting on passing downs, line him and Oliver up in a speed rush package, flank the center and make them figure out who to deal with.
He is not a super twitchy athlete, but if you watch him play, he manages to get home in a hurry, it’s deceptive. I think part of it is his size, and he’s not super sudden, but somehow he ends up past his guy and crushing people without a lot of flash. I think he will have a solid career, I would expect a consistent 6-8 sacks a year and the occasional 10+ year when he gets lined up against guys that can’t handle his power and he gets a couple in one game. He was a dominant player in college, he won’t, or I doubt, he will be quite as dominant in the pros, but I think he can be a long term starter for you and you won’t be upset to have him there.
I liken his production to Shaq, but I don’t expect to see him showing up out of shape and not giving effort the way Shaq did for 3 years. I see more of a Shaq in a contract year type of player here.
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He was a SUPER STAR in a very similar professional sport. I'm not writing him off. It's a long shot to make it, but if guys like Antonio Gates can make it, why can't he? I am sorry, with exactly zero 1000 yard rushers on this roster, its not exactly an insurmountable taks to win a spot.
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54 minutes ago, HamSandwhich said:
To me, he doesnt move as fluidly as you'd like a DE to be. Perhaps he's just a power guy and that's what I'm seeing. I don't have a professional football eye, but I have watched a lot of football in my time. He just does not move as quickly as you would like a stud DE to move, does not seem very explosive.
He could very well turn into the next JJ Watt, take what I say with a grain of salt, just some observations from an armchair ameture evaluator of NFL talent.
You aren't far off, he doesn't have the "bend" that the elite speed rushers have. You don't see his upper body ripping around the corner, he is a little stiff. That said, hes strong as a bull and only going to get stronger, weighs 275 and probably could go up 10lbs in his legs and really cause problems for opponents. His upper body and hands are great, his attitude is great and his instincts are exciting, he goes for the ball first, something nobody for the Bills in recent history has really done. I love that. He's a lot like Shaq in terms of what he will bring, except way more effort, every day. I think Shaq is a bit more flexible, but it never translated. I ne er understood taking Shaq where they did, basically, they took Shaqs replacement where Shaq should have been taken to start with.
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Just now, YoloinOhio said:
Competition is king. And when McD was asked what he looked for in a WR he said “well they need to be able to catch the ball.” Word, Coach.
That line is actually pretty telling. It doesn't matter how big, fast, or explosive you are if you don't catch the darn ball.
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25 minutes ago, Perry Turtle said:
And the guy who drafted Petermann, and signed McCarron, and blah, blah blah.
It's a 5th round pick, he can make a mistake. It's not going to break anything.
Just don't see the logic of replacing Barkley with a Barkley clone without the experience.
No actually, that was DW.
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Long of 50 only means thats the where the coaches would take a chance from. Look at the touch back percentage.
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Slightly more athletic Stevie Johnson?
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I love it, I think the kid has a shot to develop into a starter, hes an awful lot like Brady when he came out, not saying he will ever do jack *****, but I like the pick.
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I’m interested in the kid from Hawaii, worth a late round flier
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The QBs all have huge bust potential. Burrow had 1 year, Tua injuries, Herbert never produced in college, Love is a project, all 1st rounders could easily bust.
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I feel with the shortened offseason upon us, the Bills did well to get the Vet WR they needed to be the #1, even if I’m not as sold on him as a true 1 as everyone else.
RB is the quickest position to adapt, I expect one in round 2-4 probably 2 or 3.
A Big WR who can handle RZ duties initially and hopefully demand snaps at the backend of the rotation by mid year would be a nice pick, Claypool, Mims Etc fit the mold. I like Claypool as a project, too much size and speed to be handled if used correctly, I see him more as an H Back, but his speed is killer. Maybe a Jimmy Graham type. Not sure if his real value, but 2-3rd sounds right.
CB could represent value and definitely could see one in the 2nd. With Tre’s deal coming up, I could see this as a real contender. Hear me out, if Allen busts, you need a new QB, you can franchise Tre and either work on a deal or trade him, likely with a 1st round pick as compensation. If you need a QB, you are rebuilding, and you probably need picks to get up in the draft because the rest of this team is too good to lose enough to get to the top of the draft. So you trade Tre, get the picks, don’t pay 16M plus for a CB on a rebuilding team. Also, if Allen proves himself, you are paying 30+M a year for a QB, can you pay your CB 16+M a year too? Is it worth it in this D? Look back at Norman in his prime, the answer might lie there.
S is not a pressing thing, but depth is poor and Hyde is almost 30.. I love him, but have a feeling they won’t re-up his deal.
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8 hours ago, Canadian Bills Fan said:
Sure....that's why Houston traded Hopkins for David Johnson
Really? C'mon man.
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I see "it" with Tua, if he's healthy he's special. With Herbert, I watched a bunch of his games and saw a pretty good athlete playing QB. He strikes me as a Bortles, on paper, stud. On the field. Meh. If Miami takes Herbert, I wont be worried.
The only problem I really have, is I saw Allen as a bigger Tannehill and he hasn't proven me wrong. Tantalizing bursts combined with infuriating stupidity. Hopefully, we see the 3rd year jump.
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Its way too early to call this class anything more than a good looking group of prospects. That said, because of the depth, there should be some real talent pushed into the later rounds. Ideally you find a guy in round 3 or 4 that needs some polish, has a current injury or something that pushed them down and bring them in. You might just get another Diggs type. Diggs is nothing elite in terms of talent, but he works hard and produces, hopefully that will rub off.
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I am curious what Christian Wade is looking like behind the scenes. The guy clearly has the athleticism to be a great player, has he refined himself enough to be a factor this year? Is he part of the plans? I think we will see the answer by round 4 if no RB has been taken.
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On 4/3/2020 at 3:47 PM, Billl said:
There is a LOT of buzz that DW wants out of Houston. Watson already is what everyone hopes Allen will someday become. Given the choice, you pay whatever it takes to get Watson and see what you can get in trade for Allen. I can’t imagine there is a GM in the league (Beane possibly excluded) who would prefer Allen at $30,000,000 over Watson at $40,000,000.
Watson can force his way out, but it’s going to be after the 5th year and the 6th year franchise tag and quite possibly the 7th year Franchise tag if he won’t extend. At that point it’s going to be a couple of 1st rounders minimum to make the trade for him and pay 40m+ a year. I’m still ok with that, I think. Who knows, maybe they play him on the 2nd franchise tag and then tag him a 3rd time or transition tag? It will be interesting. -
I would take Bortles over Barkley and it’s not close. The reason is simple, Bortles is basically Josh Allen, from last year. Before you lose your mind and tell me I’m crazy, remember, he “led” a team farther into the playoffs, has had flashes of crazy success and potential and ultimately could come in and do ESSENTIALLY the same things Josh does. He is a bust vs his draft position, no doubt. That does not mean he couldn’t be a really good back up. He held a starting role for a number of seasons. He isn’t as accurate as you like, he doesn’t protect the ball as well as you would like, he doesn’t see the field as well as you would like and outside of Buffalo, everyone sees the same thing with Allen.
the reason Bortles is a better option than Barkley, if Josh goes down, you bring in a player with similar skills to run the offense, not requiring a huge philosophical change like Barkley. Barkley has a far weaker arm, is not mobile, is not going to threaten an RPO game, is not going to stretch the field. Bortles can do all of those things. No, you don’t want him as a franchise guy, but you are looking for a good backup. He might go all Tannehill on you and surprise you if he wasn’t playing for Marrone too, so there’s that. You know Barkley was a street FA in the middle of the year for a reason, he’s mediocre and flashed a couple of decent games in his entire career, never held a starting job and if he plays you expect to lose. With Bortles, it’s like Allen in that, your scheme carries on and if he doesn’t get stupid, you have a good chance to win still. Allen APPEARS to be on a better career trajectory, but we don’t know that yet. He and Bortles were virtually clones at the end of 2 years, all I’m saying is, Bortles would make this team better than Barkley.
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On 4/5/2020 at 4:50 AM, BuffaloBills1998 said:
Dare I say, Barkley is way better than all of those guys combined
You can say whatever you like, free country, but you are also free to embarrass yourself when you say silly things.
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I love the Juggerknox, as long as he learns to catch, then run.
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6 hours ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said:
I agree, if he makes it out of the 1st he will be one of the 1st players picked in the 2nd rd.
Every year there are raw players that show up at the combi e and fans get enamoured with them. Nobody sees them possibly falling and every year l, they do. Metcalf was a sure fire top 15 pick last year, until he wasn't. Its very easily argued he was a better prospect than Mims. Athletic ability is great, lack of production drives guys down all the time.
Claypool should be a top 5 pick if we are looking at athletes, but thats not all there is to the game.
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Hopefully, Eppy is an example of teams putting too much stock in the combine.