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I swear it was Brady....but when I play this game with my girlfriend I usually lose.

It was Brady. Clements killed Brady knocking him unconscious near the sideline. Part of his unconscious body laid out of bounds and the fumbled ball was in play touching the rest of his body (in play). The Bills recovered the fumble. The ruling was the ball was dead because it was touching a player who was out of bounds.

I hope not, no need to bash two good players. If it leads to some comparisons I wouldn't mind though. Fumbling aside, they're almost identical statistically in the time they spent here. That might surprise some. Henry clearly had a fumbling issue early in his career. If he works that out, I think the guy who ends up being the most mature player will have the best career.

Travis left on bad terms. His poor judgment in his personal life led to harsh criticism, and he didn't come out looking great when McGahee transitioned. He was immature, but for most his career he played with all heart for Buffalo. He's blown up the last two weeks for Tennessee, and I just wanted to give him props. Maybe see how others look back on him after some times past.

You expect the head coach of a football team to tell his players or the media that this is a rebuilding year? That you should just expect to lose 10 games and not get upset with it? We can commit to the concept of winning, and stay realistic with what we expect from a head coach. As Bills fans we have the attitude of fire and replace for every aspect of this team. We've been firing and replacing for over a decade in every aspect of the organization. Maybe it's possible that all this change compounds the effects of a bad roster into a decade long playoff drought.

Same thing that's been happening since Wade Phillips got canned. Most the time a New coach + New system = Rebuilding. The great start altered Jaurons expectation level way past reality for this team. You don't need to be Nostradamus to see people turn on him if this thing doesn't turn around soon.

At the start of the year the perception of most our fans was that of a rebuilding year. That was until we played with the Patriots in week 1, beat Miami in week 2, nearly beat the Jets, and then beat Minnesota. Now all of sudden the perceptions of many changed from rebuilding to contending. The problem is this team never changed with it. This was still the same team with the flaws most identified before the season started. It will only be a matter of time before people point fingers at Jauron. Once the blame shifts to him we start this process all over again. This team will only get better with time, and as fans we control the clock. Stay patient. Stay rational. Stay the course.

The Lions game

They read KzooMike's posts Kidding aside it probably has more to do with McFarland coming from the Cover 2. I don't expect us to change the approach much.

It was Morris. He was decent, fumbling problem if memory serves me right. I think he cost us a game in Miami.

I call it the stealth TE game plan

Jason Witten is a good example of this right now

Tell me about it. He looks good but lets see how he plays on the road.

Champ Bailey, Clinton Portis, Randy Moss etc...Do they all suck just because they got traded? MacFarland has been a part of one of the better cover 2 run stopping teams in the league for several years. Clements is gone at the end of the year. Whats not to like?

He's way better then Tripplet

I guess we don't need help at DT

I agree about the Pass Protect. In the past it's been an Achilles heal, it's still not great but it's not as bad as the last few years. I'm not throwing out Moulds to argue about keeping him, but I think people underestimated his loss. PP basically owes his career to Moulds. The guys been a rock for us for over a decade and really opened things up for other players.

They did run a ton of timing patterns. JP threw a gorgeous deep out timing pattern to Evans late in the game. For the most part it was slim pickens though. We have a lot of areas to address this off-season. The interior D is critical. That said if Buffalo ends up taking a tail dive and Calvin Johnson is available they’d be crazy not to take him.

To be honest, today it wasn't. JP rolled out and bought time on several throws today. Our WR's just couldn't separate. They had 10 seconds on several plays but they couldn't get it done. What I have to ask is if it's been this bad for those that have attended games. I mean you can only see so much of the game on TV.

Ya, your probably the only one that brings it up this week.

Who knows. From what I've watched Aiken had problems separating also. I sat directly behind play, and only watched JP long enough to know if it was run or pass. The second it was pass I was trying to look at what JP could have been looking at. Obviously I had a much better view, but I could still see nothing. I mean literally nothing. On most the plays had he tried to make a play it would have been intercepted.

This was my first live Bills game this year. It was the first time I got a chance to watch how our receivers separated downfield. They reminded me of how I used to run patterns in high school. This is the pattern, and I'm going to run it exactly how it's drawn up. They don't try and juke the corner during the pattern; they just try and get from A to B as soon as possible. More times then not it leaves NOBODY to throw to. I'm upset over the outcome, and sick of making excuses for players. But I honestly think JP did the best he could with what was available today. If this is how our WR's have looked all year in person I don't know how we can ask JP to do much more. The guy can't be productive AND limit turnovers with this WR core. PP is not a threat anymore. JR has never been a legitimate threat. RP is a lethal 3, but would probably struggle with his size as a 2. LE is a player, but he's still adjusting to being the #1 option. All this with questionable pass blocking. We needed to put JP in a position this year to get an accurate read on his progression. To either go with him, or go in a different direction next year. I don't see how this team is doing that right now.

Thats what made it even better. Marino is a HOF who we owned for over a decade. I really miss those teams.

Getting rid of him was the best decision for our future. As Kelly pointed out we did it most likely to be off the hook for any dead cap next year. In terms if him being a liability in the lockeroom I'd ask Ko Simpson and Daunte Whitner how they feel about that. Both have stated that Vincent has been instrumental to there progression even after knowing he would be released.