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6 hours ago, aristocrat said:
The dems should work as hard on immigration reform as those rich white people did to get those migrants off their precious island
Theyve passed several in the house. The Republicans have filibustered them.So I take it your working harder means you think they should end the filibuster.
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7 minutes ago, Doc said:
LOL! They're not illegal.
Great ! Let’s get your answer on the legal issue:The law states they need to come from Florida. You are probably geographically challenged, but Texas and Florida are not the same state.
The answer to question 2, please provide authority or legal opinion that was used to permit state funds to be expended in transporting people from Texas, as the plain reading of HB5001 clearly authorized only “unauthorized aliens from this state.”
So Doc, please let us know how:1. Texas is Florida and that state law allowed the removal of unauthorized aliens from FL, not TX.
2. Asylum seekers are unauthorized aliens under FL law.
Unless TX is FL and asylum seekers are unauthorized aliens under FL law, DeSantis misappropriated $615,000 of FL taxpayer funds for his political stunt.
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1 minute ago, aristocrat said:
the dems use the migrants as pawns more than the republicans do. They’re plan is to entice them over this flooding the border knowing that the republicans will complain about the inaction. Then just to simply call the republicans racist for mentioning it. Literally the playbook here.
they could care less about how many of them die and are raped on the way over. Doesn’t even phase them. Just scoring political points virtue signaling
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“I see the dems inaction on the border as indefensible and abhorrent. They put Harris in charge who says the border is secure and just fine. Meanwhile record numbers dead coming across. But please get mad and keep calling republicans racist for simply trying to get some action done on securing the border. Dems hold power across the government and have done nothing but scream racism any time any body brings up the problems. “
Now they were in the proper thread and we can keep the other one to DeSantis and his illegal actions:
- I haven’t called anyone racist
- Dems have passed several immigration changes in the house and Republicans won’t break the filibuster.
- Biden has issues some Executive actions and he should do more.
The border isn’t perfect but we shouldn’t allow someone to treat people as political pawns for their political aspirations.
Hopefully Dems and Republicans can work together and pass immigration reform.
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8 minutes ago, aristocrat said:
I see the dems inaction on the border as indefensible and abhorrent. They put Harris in charge who says the border is secure and just fine. Meanwhile record numbers dead coming across. But please get mad and keep calling republicans racist for simply trying to get some action done on securing the border. Dems hold power across the government and have done nothing but scream racism any time any body brings up the problems.
Moving this to the proper discussion board. Let’s keep this thread about DeSantis and his illegal actions. -
2 minutes ago, Orlando Tim said:
I pulled first article when I googled it, but saying "life there is good" to me is saying you are happy there, what does it mean to you?
To me it means they like the military base, not how they got there.For example, if you fly to Punta Cana on Spirit airlines and you get to your resort, you’ll probably say life is good…. Even though you just went through hell of Spirit airlines.
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4 minutes ago, aristocrat said:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna36931which story are you more upset about?
now why don’t dems do something about immigration?
Great whatabout topic for the immigration thread. Let’s keep this one on track about DeSantis and his illegal activity.5 minutes ago, Orlando Tim said:If this Perla person is real I will agree this is dishonest, but when your quoted article states "Plaza said he was transported under false pretenses and was told he’d be going to either Missouri, Washington or Oregon." It sounds like he was told you will flown away from here and jumped on the plane. MO is not even close to the other two. But that is the first article with actual quotes I have seen from the people, not politician
The only quote in your article from one of the political pawns was:“The life there is good,” said Eliud Alguilar, a 27-year-old from Venezuela in an interview with The Post, referring to a military base where he and the 49 other migrants were sent by Massachusetts authorities after they landed in Martha’s Vineyard this week. “They treat us well, they provided us with food and medical assistance. We are all well.”
I didn’t see a single quote saying they’re happy DeSantis sent them to MV.
Price tag has come out as well. $615,000, or about $13,000 per person. They should have checked Travelocity for plane tickets.
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5 minutes ago, aristocrat said:
first of all it was partly sarcastic partly serious. It shows the reality of these migrants and the current issues border towns face. If 50 people can cause an emergency such as this imagine the towns down there. The dems ignore the problem and weaponize when it actually effects them. They literally couldn’t get them off their island fast enough. 50 people. An island that can handle 150,000 tourists per year couldn’t handle 50 people. The democrats are getting hit with the actually reality of the situations these border towns face and they literally can’t handle it
A crisis so terrible the governor of Florida wasn’t even able to find 50 people in his home state for his political stunt.Border towns have infrastructure to at least partially handle these issues. Martha’s Vineyard does not.
You don’t see people making as big of a fuss of the other thousands that have gone to CA, DC and NY because they were sent to places with infrastructure in place to support these people. Martha’s Vineyard does not.
While the other bus loads have occurred they’re not as big of a deal because 1) there’s no proof those people were lied to here, 2) they were sent to actual sanctuary destinations with resources to help them and 3) a governor from one state didn’t illegally spend state funds to ship asylum seekers from another state to an unknown destination.
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3 hours ago, Orlando Tim said:
To question one, thank you for proving you are an idiot, since you clearly expect DeSantis to care what Newsome says.
For question two, you apparently believe that Tampa is not part of Florida, and the plane definitely was in Tampa before it went to MV.
Lastly you only quote politicians, you can find a few actual interviews online of the people who were on the plane and if you translate what they said they are happy with where they landed.
I will again recommend you let this die, I am not pleased with DeSantis about it but it was legal and it was a political stunt that makes liberals look worse the more they protest
So you’re saying it was legal because he took people from TX, brought them to Florida first before sending them to MV? Seems like a stretch.
There’s also the issue these people were asylum seekers and not unauthorized aliens.
Why couldn’t DeSantis find his own migrants in his own state if this problem is so bad?Care to share these interviews with the forum: “few actual interviews online of the people who were on the plane and if you translate what they said they are happy with where they landed.” I’ve yet to see anything about them being happy that they were lied to.
edit to add migrant interview:
The 28-year-old Venezuelan immigrant was one of almost 50 people flown by Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis to the Cape Cod island by charter plane on Wednesday, in a pointed political move.
“I feel — deceived. Deceived, and upset. They played with our feelings,” he told GBH News in a Spanish-language interview outside of St. Andrews Church in Edgartown. Plaza was in San Antonio, Texas, earlier this week with other recently arrived migrants when he was approached and offered a ride on the plane. According to numerous reports, the planes flew from Texas to Florida, then on to North Carolina and, finally, Martha’s Vineyard.
“They offered to help me travel, to find lodging, and ... they tricked me,” Plaza said. NPR previously reported a woman identified as “Perla” was recruiting immigrants to get on the plane. Nonprofit publication San Antonio Report reported Thursday that a 27-year-old immigrant claims he was paid $200 in cash by “Perla” to convince people standing outside San Antonio’s migrant resource center to board the flight.
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2 hours ago, aristocrat said:
they were sent to one of the wealthiest communities in the country that designated itself a sanctuary city. Why couldn’t they be offered jobs and housing? Dems need to explain this. Or do they not want migrants working in their nice 98 percent white community?
Another person who doesn’t get basic facts, just great.Marthas Vineyard is not a sanctuary city. MA has 8. They are Amherst, Boston, Cambridge, Chelsea, Concord, Newton, Northampton, and Somerville.
Plus, it wasn’t MV saying they have jobs, expedited reviews and housing. It was DeSantis.
Please for the love of God, read, and educate yourself before posting.
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2 hours ago, Orlando Tim said:
1) no- governor's don't debate other governors, only an idiot thinks it will happen. DeSantis will debate Crist in West Palm Beach in October.
2)the people sent to Martha vineyard were happy to go and they were told the Boston area, which is where they are.
3) he did not break any law, most Florida Democrats voted for the law that he used to send them also.
Do you seriously believe everything you read without any thought?
1. There is nothing against the law or any reason governors cannot debate governors. Newsom threw out the challenge. DeSantis can accept or hide away in fear.2. Even if you want to say Martha’s Vineyard is Boston, it’s not. It is 2.5 hours away. That’s like saying Cleveland and Buffalo are the same place (3 hours away).
They also didn’t believe that: “
Edgartown Police Chief Bruce McNamee said many of the migrants were confused.
"We have talked to a number of people who've asked, 'Where am I?' And then I was trying to explain where Martha's Vineyard is."” https://www.npr.org/2022/09/15/1123109768/migrants-sent-to-marthas-vineyard
They were still told they would have housing, expiated reviews and jobs. None were there. They were lied to. ““They were told they were going to be met here with jobs and housing. Some were told that they were going to different cities all over the country. At least one individual thought they were going to New York and some thought there were going to immigration appointments,” Fernandes said.” https://www.newsnationnow.com/us-news/immigration/desantis-puts-migrants-on-flight-to-marthas-vineyard/
3. Florida Democrats don’t agree that he didn’t break the law.
The law states they need to come from Florida. You are probably geographically challenged, but Texas and Florida are not the same state.
The answer to question 2, please provide authority or legal opinion that was used to permit state funds to be expended in transporting people from Texas, as the plain reading of HB5001 clearly authorized only “unauthorized aliens from this state.”
Would you care to answer question 2 as that is the same question I posed that you miserably failed to comprehend or answer?
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31 minutes ago, Orlando Tim said:
Thank you for admitting you know I am right.
Don’t know why y’all righties have such terrible reading comprehension skills. This thread is about DeSantis. My point was like how he was chickening out in debating Crist he won’t accept Newsoms challenge. Therefore we should retitle the thread to DeChicken.
You brought up something to with Crist/Fried debate. Since neither person are DeSantis, that discussion would be better in a thread about that topic.
Lets keep this on DeChicken.
1. Will he debate Newsom or is he too much of a chicken?
2. Now that the people he kidnapped in Texas and flew to MA have came out and said they were lied to about where they were going, the benefits they’d get for going and generally everything, will DOJ press charges against DeSantis?
3. Since DeSantis spent Florida money in violation of Florida law that was meant to expel people from FL, not TX, for a political stunt, will Florida bring charges against DeSantis?
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2 hours ago, Orlando Tim said:
LOL, why did Christ not agree to the debate Nikki Fried more?
Open a thread on that. This is thread about DeChicken.-
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2 hours ago, Orlando Tim said:
DeSantis will debate Crist in West Palm Beach, or do you think he should agree to a "debate" where the host will lie to assist his opponent like in 2018? many people don't realize we were only a few percent of votes away from having a different governor and it was close only because the debates where slanted so heavily in Gillums favor.
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News I’m has challenged DeSantis to a debate. DeSantis was trying everything go get out of debating Crist. So when he comes up with an excuse for this one, I think the thread title should get changed to DeChicken:
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Got our first referral to DOJ for human trafficking:
McGovern also calling this illegal:
In a statement to MassLive, U.S. Congressman Jim McGovern said he agreed that the “campaign stunt” could rise to the level of violating the law.
“Using taxpayer money to ship vulnerable people across the country under false pretenses is not just a campaign stunt—it appears to be human trafficking. It also looks like he illegally used Florida’s COVID relief money to run this operation. These are major violations of federal law that should be investigated,” McGovern said.
Some of the false pretense documents are also coming out:
Immigration lawyers are also working on getting these people visas since they may be victims of crimes:
Susan Church, an immigration lawyer based in Cambridge, told the Boston Globe a legal team is working with advocacy groups to interview the migrants and determine whether they are eligible for visas for victims of crimes.
“They were duped in to getting onto the plane,” said Church, former chair of the New England Chapter of the American Immigration Lawyers Association. “This is akin to kidnapping.”
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5 hours ago, BillStime said:
BUT THE MIGRANTS MUST ORIGINATE FROM FLORIDA per state lawlmao
idiots
I wonder if this is why the plane stopped in Florida. DeSantis used taxpayer money to fly illega immigrants into his own state!-
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34 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:
Get this….2,000,000 illegal aliens have literally walked into our country just this year, but when a grand total of 50 end up in Massachusetts, the internet blows up. And I’m riled up? 😂😂😂
No one is talking about the 2.000,000 everyone is talking about MA. Tactic was horrible if he wanted to get people to talk about immigration.He wanted to score political points with his MAGA base by “owning libs” and got owned himself.
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36 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:
Keep lighting your hair on fire. You honestly thought the flood of illegal immigration was going to go on day after day after day and NOBODY was going to do anything? You really have to be kidding me!
And, if you illegally enter another country, I’m not sure you’re in any position to pick where you want to live. It’s not like they were sent to Death Valley! But, to be constructive, how about you take a few illegals in at your house? Get in the boat and row.
Lol man, you’re hilarious. I feel bad that your uneducated opinion has you all riled up.Again,
- why do Florida taxpayers need to pay for TX illegal immigrants to be sent to Martha’s Vineyard
- your response was because Biden is shipping people to FL. You were proven wrong by DeSantis himself. So try again…..
- why should taxpayers pay for a political stunt to “own” the libs?
- Now this is doing something? What? Lol. Yea these 50 people will change our border policies. No one is doing anything. It was a political stunt to rile up MAGA republicans but will end up making independent and true Republicans hate the MAGA republicans even more.
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9 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:
Sure…sounds like Florida sent a ‘trickle’ just like you quoted that they did and they were not swooped up in dragnet against their will, if you actually read your story. They were not harmed or damaged. So…..Welcome to Martha’s Vineyard!
They weren’t harmed? They left where they were for promises the DeSantis admin had no intention of fulfilling.If a company says hey I’m going to give you a job, help you get something quicker and do other things for you if you move from CA to OK, then you get there and they’re like yea I lied to you just to get you to OK, you’re not welcome back in CA… you wouldn’t be harmed?
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12 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:
You haven’t been paying attention. Florida has been a dumping ground for the Biden’s illegal immigrant redistribution program. I’m pretty sure Florida cannot swoop up people on their streets once the feds have dumped them there. If it’s like california it’s illegal to ask someone’s immigration status. So Florida is making a point that BEFORE they incur the ongoing costs of maintaining these people maybe it’s time some of them were dispersed so that other communities could pay their “fair share”. It’s not a cost…it’s an investment! (That’s what you guys always say, right?)
They literally took people off the street!!! I wonder if your opinion on this would be different if you were educated on the subject. You’ve said several things that are just factually wrong. Maybe it’s time you step back, read up and come with an opinion once you’ve educated yourself instead of just talking out your butt.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/republican-governor-florida-flies-migrants-171423700.htmlOne Venezuelan migrant who arrived at Martha's Vineyard identified himself as Luis, 27, and said he and nine relatives were promised a flight to Massachusetts, along with shelter, support for 90 days, help with work permits and English lessons. He said they were surprised when their flight landed on an island.
He said the promises came from a woman who gave her name as "Perla" who approached his family on the street outside a San Antonio shelter after they crossed from Mexico and U.S. border authorities released them with an immigration court date.
1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said:So your point is that there’s no problem at the border? Excellent… Let’s Go Brandon!
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6 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:
You haven’t been paying attention. Florida has been a dumping ground for the Biden’s illegal immigrant redistribution program. I’m pretty sure Florida cannot swoop up people on their streets once the feds have dumped them there. If it’s like california it’s illegal to ask someone’s immigration status. So Florida is making a point that BEFORE they incur the ongoing costs of maintaining these people maybe it’s time some of them were dispersed so that other communities could pay their “fair share”. It’s not a cost…it’s an investment! (That’s what you guys always say, right?)
DeSantis disagrees with you:
“Texas is taking people,” DeSantis said after a morning Florida Cabinet meeting. “Biden has not sent anyone to us since we got that. He does send children all across the country in the middle of the night and dumps them all over the United States, which I think is very reckless.”
“We have not had buses coming in, we have had people trickle in,” DeSantis said. “I think because of what Texas has done, that has actually taken a lot of pressure off us.”
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6 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:
You are aware that Florida doesn’t share a border with Mexico, right? Where’s the Governor going to get these people? I believe it’s illegal to round them up at the local Home Depot! Sheeesh
- Florida has a large amount of Cuban illegal immigrants- Florida paid for these flights. Why are they paying costs for TX? Shouldn’t FL taxpayers be upset their money is going to TX?
- If this isn’t a problem in FL, why does there FL governor care? Wouldn’t his time be better spent fixing the issues of his constituents?
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One of the interesting things of this Martha Vineyards thing that I don’t think has been talked about yet….. if the illegal immigrant problem is so bad in Florida, why couldn’t DeSantis find his own illegal immigrants in FL and needed to use TX ones for his politics stunt?
Surely if the problem is so bad in FL he could have found 50 people pretty easily in his own state.
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Lol party of personal responsibility and law enforcement here. You’re a joke.
We’d have to look up the statute but usually fraud isn’t just pay it back and you’re good to go. If you go Rob a bank of $615,000 and get caught do they say just pay us back and everything is good?