[Who should the Bills draft at #58? - TSW Mock Draft 2.0]

Kam Kinchens makes alot of sense.  Playmaker, College FB coach on staff, could be a starting FS immediately.

 

Best thing is we brought in a college DB coach.  Who will be very familiar with players not only on Miami, but others in college football.

 

Rd 2 pick needs to be a starter and impact player, and this checks the box.  We need a FS with range and playmaking ability.  Kam also brings position flex, dropping into the box/blitzing, and can drop down into the slot.  His 40 time isn't indicative of his on field instincts/playing speed

[And we're on to.. Aiyuk?]

Like others said, "if" this trade would happen, it would occur post June 1st.

 

Let's see what we do in the draft at WR, that should be telling.

 

My opinion is sit tight at 28 and see who is there.  Going to be a lot of good WRs to pick from.  We could go alot of different directions in Rd2, that will be a polarizing pick (position) among fans for certain.

[Could Elam be packaged in a trade up?]

9 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

Spencer has actual value IMO.  We did it with Cordy Glenn. Perhaps Spencer gets us from 28 to 13-16ish if we add a 2025 4th

 

Or he could be used in a package to NYG

I'm curious why everyone is now mentioning trading Brown?

 

We finally have a legit T combo (solid OL in general), Brown is young and still hasn't reached his ceiling.  With plenty of 2025 cap space, I'd expect we re-sign him longterm.

 

Who starts for Brown if he's traded?  Collins???  He didn't play LY/might be a camp body only, now we expect him to protect Josh?  Didn't we see what happened when Quessenberry experiment failed?

 

1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I wonder about Spencer Brown as a possible trade piece. I wonder what he would be worth. 

See above.  How does this improve our team? Who starts at RT?

[How should we address WR?]

56 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I’m either team “big move up” or team “2 guys by 50.” I want either one of the big 3 (and another WR shortly thereafter) or 2 of the next 8.

I like 2 of the next 8 approach. Preferably 2 primary boundary types.  Gives our offense more versatility and 2 cost controlled contracts for multiple seasons.

 

The top 3 are near "can't miss" prospects/ability to be elite.  But I think that's going to cost way too much, not a fan of trading that much draft capital.

 

Especially with a deep/talented/versatile collection of Tier2/3 guys, I think we will find some solid talent to add to our current arsenal of short/intermediate weapons.

[Diggs traded to Texans for picks]

8 minutes ago, papazoid said:

 

how bout

 

my 2024 - 2nd for your 2025 1st

my 2025- 2nd for your 2026 1st

my 2026 - 2nd for your 2027 1st

my 2027 - 2nd for your 2028 1st

my 2028 - 2nd for your 2029 1st

my 2029 - 2nd for your 2030 1st

 

If you're being serious, no LOL.

 

Personally, if I'm giving up a future 1st, it's because I'm moving up for a QB, or a generational talent at WR/LT/CB.

 

I think you're taking my original point WAY out of context.

 

At no point was I discussing trading a future 1st.  I'm trying to convey that I think Beane is highly likely to move next years 2nd (either Min or ours), to move up in the 1st or 2nd round

 

 

[Diggs traded to Texans for picks]

2 minutes ago, papazoid said:

in fact.....i will trade you my entire 2024 draft.....except my 1st rounder

 

my 2024 - 2nd for your 2025 1st

my 2024 - 3rd for your 2026 1st

my 2024 - 4th for your 2027 1st

my 2024 - 5th for your 2028 1st

my 2024 - 6th for your 2029 1st

my 2025 - 7th for your 2030 1st

 

on behalf of the Academy....i accept my executive of the year award.....i'd like to thank my parents.....

The only trade a team would possibly due is the 1st scenario you listed.

 

Again, going beyond 1 year isn't super common (unless a team massively covets a player).

[Diggs traded to Texans for picks]

8 minutes ago, papazoid said:

 

 

 i will glady trade you my 2025 3rd round pick for your 2027 1st round pick

 

i have two 2024 4th round picks.....i will trade both of them for your 2026 2nd & your 2027 1st

 

 

I know you're joking but the value changes completely looking beyond 1+ years.

 

Just passing along info that is widely available and actually was used in the Vikings /Texans trade recently

14 minutes ago, Logic said:

"Half as much" is not accurate, but it is true that in the context of trading draft picks, they lose one round of value for each year into the future that they are. So a 2025 2nd is equivalent in value to a 2024 3rd, and a 2026 2nd is equivalent in value to a 2024 4th.

Now, this formula only speaks to the value of picks in relation to their use in trades. If you look at any draft trade chart, be it Jimmy Johnson's or Rich Hill's, you'll see that this is true.

That said, even if we consider the pick to be of 3rd round value, it STILL seems like a good return for a 30 year old WR on what has become a one-year deal. One need look no further than the compensation given up for Amari Cooper, Jerry Jeudy, Diontae Johnson, etc -- not to mention the comparative compensation given up for guys at other positions like Sneed and Burns -- to see that Beane did quite well.

All of that said, there's a pretty good chance the pick winds up being a high one next year. Assuming the Vikings have a losing record -- not a crazy assumption if they start a rookie or Sam Darnold -- we could be looking at something like the 38th to 45th pick in the draft!

Half as much is pretty darn close...it's actually worth a bit less than half, based on trade value charts

[interesting WR scenario posed by a friend]

Just now, Dillenger4 said:

This actuallyh makes sense in the realm of possibility. But why does everyone on here think we are going to pick multiple WR's early? Heck, I'm shocked if we take one at 28 over a DE which is what we need the MOST!

Beane get's Ayouk and our draft is studs on D. SB baby!

I thought DE was tied with WR as a need, potentially higher even, prior to Diggs trade.

 

If Latu is sitting there in the 20s, he'd be a possibility.

 

Key thing, for me at least, is that we possess ZERO boundary receivers.  Yes, Samuel can bounce our there.  But he's not a full option there, he's better in the slot/moved around in formations.  Shakir is a slot only type to me, he can play boundary but is very limited downfield and against man he's underwhelming.

 

So that's why I think this is the year to double up on WR early.  Great class and meets a big need. Sets us up nicely for cap in 2025+.

 

DE to me, other than Latu is risky with either Robinson at 28.  A 2nd Rd DE won't move the needle in this draft class.  We need to count on Groot, Von, AJE, and what I hope is a post June 1st signing (similar to Floyd)

[Diggs traded to Texans for picks]

5 minutes ago, papazoid said:

 

 

if your willing to trade your next years 480 points (2nd round pick) for my this years 220 points (3rd round pick)

 

i'd do that every year with ya. to me this years 42nd pick is worth exactly the same as next years 42nd pick. 

It's fine to have that opinion, but that line of thinking is quite different than many NFL GMs.

 

Not only a year later, but depends how NFL GMs view next years potential draft class.  They're scouting ahead, and looking at team needs for this year and beyond. 

 

I think any trade scenario discussed is possible (ie:move up in Rd 1 or Rd 2, acquire a 3rd Rd).  I am fairly confident that Beane will use Min's 2nd rd pick (2025) as a trade piece during this draft, or maybe I'm just hopeful. 

 

Looking at 2025 cap/our situation, we should have the ability to acquire a decent haul in FA.  For 2024, I think we "need":  Boundary WRs (both high picks), S #3 that competes for starter role/ready to take over in 2025, DT (3 tech), and a 4th corner (outside).  RB2, DE and OL depth are nice to haves, but think we sign post June 1st (perhaps OL depth is primarily set)

[Diggs traded to Texans for picks]

Just now, papazoid said:

 

if that is true

 

would you trade your next years 2025 @ 2nd round pick for my this years 2024 @ 3rd round

Possibly.  My preference would be to move up into 35-40 range, from pick 60 in Rd 2, and get another highly graded WR (in addition to Rd 1)

[interesting WR scenario posed by a friend]

49 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

Minnesota's pick won't be there, I don't think. They're pretty obviously bent on trading up to get a QB.

Another possibility is stay put at 28, and move up with Car in Rd 2 (pick 39)

 

 

At 28: Leggete, Mitchell, Worthy

At 39: possibly one of the above slides here, plus potential of Ladd, Pearsall, Keon, and Franklin

 

Buf receives: pick 39, pick 101 (1st pick of 4th round)

 

Car receives: pick 60, pick 122 (4th round), and Min 2nd rounder (2025)

 

Trade value chart would be very similar, if both wish to make a deal.  Car has pick 33 too, they might be willing to move back in Rd 2 for an additional 2nd next season (proj to be fairly high)

[Diggs traded to Texans for picks]

6 minutes ago, papazoid said:

 

according to the draft value chart

 

minn gets #23 pick in 2024 draft is worth 760 points

 

hou gets #42 pick in 2024 draft is worth 480 points

hou gets #188 pick in 2024 draft is worth 16 points

hou gets #42 ?? pick in 2025 draft is worth 480 points (which could go higher if minn struggles with new qb) which they just gave to bills

hou TOTAL POINTS is 976 vs the 760 they gave up

 

 

Usually a future pick (1 yr out) is projected as a mid rounder and value divided by 2.

 

But in Min situation, I think it's safe to say they'll be selecting between 33-40.  Likely valued in the 500s and divided by 2.  So subtract around 220-250 points from Hou tally (976-220=756).  It was a fair trade, with upside to Hou.

[interesting WR scenario posed by a friend]

I think it's very possible for the following, re: trade ups in Rd 1 and Rd2:

 

Rd1: move up to Min pick, if Thomas still there.  give up our 1st, our 4th, and 2 5ths this year, for their 1st and a 7th this yr

 

Rd2: move up to Was 2nd pick in Rd2, I think 40.  Trade our 2nd this year and our 2nd in 2025

 

Draft Brian Thomas and Keon Coleman.  That would be a very nice young WR core

[2024 WR Draft Class]

6 hours ago, Solomon Grundy said:

 

 

 

I’ve been the conductor of the JT28, DK Metcalf and Breece Hall trains. I’m riding the Keon Coleman train this draft

Not 1st round to me at least.  But I'd very much be on board with trading up in the 2nd to get him.

 

He's going to be very good in the NFL.  His size/hands/quick breaks in and out of routes.  Downfield, not the speedster that many other WRs possess in this draft, but he outstanding balance and ability to win the 50/50 balls.  

 

If this guy ran in the 4.40s, he'd be up in the tier 1 range.  Right now to me, he's borderline/bottom of tier 2, based on his long speed being the only downfall

[Calling it now: You're all about to witness the arrival of Shakir]

Beane hyped Davis and Shakir, coming into LY.  Josh hyped Gabe as well, and the desire of getting him more short/intermediate targets for YAC.  

 

Not saying Shakir won't step up, but I go by what I've seen and Shakir has good traits but some key limitations. 

 

I sincerely hope that Beane sees we need 2 boundary guys.  Counting on Samuel or Shakir for significant boundary snaps is foolish, for many reasons...partly due to eachs limitations but puts a TON of pressure on what we presume will be a RD1 boundary guy.  Then we have Mack Hollins, who soupdnt see more than 20 targets all year, if that.

 

Shakir should be getting 80% of his snaps from the slot.  Samuel can be more versatile, but again is best used in the slot/short, quick passes or screens/bubble routes.  

 

This is the year to go back to back picks at WR.  Get a 3 tech DT, S, CB, and possibly RB with rest of picks.  

 

We will have more cap to sign guys after June 1, get that 1 yr rental at DE and a Rb2 if necessary.

 

A WR room of say:  Rd 1, Samuel, Rd2, Shakir, and Hollins looks nice.  We will have plenty of talented WRs to pick from at picks 28 and 60, who would be drafted higher in any other years draft.

 

I think Brady saw our limitations at WR, besides Diggs, and decided to be more balanced with a run game.  At the urging of McD as well.  But if we can add some more explosive receivers (Rd1 and 2), I think we could see more of a 2020 offensive group of weapons.  

 

Back to Shakir, I think he was 3rd or 4th concern by the opponents LY.  Diggs getting doubled, safety shading over Gabe, then Kincaid.  Hope I'm wrong, just don't see Shakir being good enough to jump any higher than a 3rd or 4th option (complementary piece)

[Why does Beane get a pass?]

McD and Beane are on the same level to me, tier 2.  They are very good/would get hired instantly by another team.

 

They just haven't proven to be able to:

1. Coach: Make necessary adjustments/get us over the hump in playoffs

 

2. Beane: outside of the Allen pick and Diggs trade, he hasn't drafted any "superstars".  Looking at other top-tier teams, who have multiple superstars, he has put together very good teams/depth.

 

Coach needs to improve, but so does Beane.  He needs to find a superstar in one of these drafts, ideally this year's.  I've also had an issue with Beane DL acquisitions, agree with his philosophy, but he has striked out alot (draft and FA).  Ignored WRs early in draft, and didn't prioritize OL until LY.

 

Beane and Coach aren't the problem, but we need to get better talent and execute when It matters.  They need to be better I'd we want a SB

[Calling it now: You're all about to witness the arrival of Shakir]

12 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Yet the back to back reigning Super Bowl champs fielded one of the worst stable of WR's the past 2 years in the league.  

 

And no one wants to go cheap, where you get that from is beyond me.  But you however do want to go nuclear and give away a bounty to get every aging WR potentially available or give up the farm to go get a rookie in what is the richest WR draft maybe ever.  

 

Speaking of giving up the farm to trade up...do you know how many Super Bowl winners had lead WR's drafted in the top 20 picks of the draft in the last 20 years?  Just 2...Mike Evans and 18 years ago Marvin Harrison.  

 

Yet you have been wanting to mortgage our future to move up high in this draft for a WR in what is one of the best WR drafts ever despite that it does not correlate with the kind of success you think it does in the NFL.  Just like how so many people wanted to mortgage our future to go get Henry Ruggs or Jerry Jeudy the year we traded for Diggs and were mad we gave up so much for Diggs instead of trading up for one of them.  They sucked, and the best WR in that draft ended being a guy who would have been there when we picked in Justin Jefferson who did not have nearly as much support here as those guys did and most were not a fan of taking him in the first because he was a "slot" in college.  People like Tee Higgins even less who was drafted in the 2nd round, also substantially better than both Ruggs and Jeudy.  

 

So is not about being cheap, its about you don't have to mortgage your future to get a WR either and doesn't automatically correlate to SB success.  Its also about your draft slot means nothing once the pads go on.  Look at Diggs, Antonio Brown, etc.  Just because Shakir was a 5th rounder doesn't mean he has a low ceiling or we are going "cheap".  

 

Shakir has earned his role thus far, and will continue to have to earn more targets, it won't be handed to him.  

 

 

 

By no means should they count it or not go draft a WR early...We need to add boundary WRs this draft, and I think we might add 2.  

Honestly, I see your point here and they are solid points.  However, I think using KC as a reference point is a bit off topic.

 

First off, KC has the best TE of all time.  One of the best playcallers/scheming of all time with Reid.  And they have a top 5 OL, and faster/better defense than ours.  More premier players than we have on defense for certain, Jones alone is a game wrecker and a better secondary than ours LY.

 

They've been able to get away with lack of a star WR, for reasons described above, and a more rounded team than ours.  I don't think we will match them in any of the above remarks that I've made, and we don't have to, but we need something special (pass rush, WR weapons, etc) that will propel us in postseason.  

 

I'd rather we load up on WR talent, because Shakir isn't a "special" talent by any means.  He is limited in his routes and until LY, struggled with drops in college too. 

 

I still like him, but I'd hate we make the same mistakes over and over (ie: projecting a minimal stretch of games into full season potential).  This is the year to add premier talent in the draft at WR, I hope Beane agrees.

[Diggs traded to Texans for picks]

23 minutes ago, khlax3 said:

Not saying these guys are 1 to 1 replacements but I think they can replace the production those guys offered. I truly think Brady wants to get away from that 1a type receiver that we force the ball to and gets 160 targets. I could very well see the hall spread all over with maybe no one getting 1000 yards but 3-4 guys all getting around 50-70 catches for 900 yards. 
 

I think people are getting caught up to much on what positioning these guys play (inside/outside) Samuel, Kincaid, and Shakir can line up anywhere. Cook can split out wide and Knox is pretty versatile too. For red zone your have Knox, Kincaid and Hollins who are all big targets. 
 

I think what got us into trouble in the first half of last year was trying to force it to diggs. In the second half when diggs really didn’t look like a number 1 and they were spreading the ball around diggs, Kincaid, and Shakir all had similar numbers 

Of course these guys can line up at all positions.  The key point is what impact they have from that position on field.

 

Right now, we have nobody that is a downfield threat.  It'd be nice to have 1 legit and another reliable option.

 

I'm fine with spreading targets and agree that's what Brady seems to want to have happen. 

 

But I truly hope Brady doesn't turn this offense into a dink/dunk team.  JMO, but I don't think Josh is accurate OR consistent enough to be a Brady/Brees type.  Too many turnovers/inconsistency. 

 

We need some more of Dabolls downfield passing scheme integrated, to be more balanced.  We need more "homeruns" in this offense, or at least be more explosive.  Redzone conversion rate has been inconsistent at best, past 2 years.  We lack identity as of now...I hope Beane can find 2 legit threats in this loaded WR class.

[Calling it now: You're all about to witness the arrival of Shakir]

14 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Heading into the draft in 2022 I posted about keeping an eye on Shakir and the Bills.  I missed rounds 3 and 4 and came back to the draft right as we were announcing our pick in the 5th having no idea he was still on the board and was stunned when they called his name and thought I misheard it because I figured he would go in rounds 2 or 3.  I was thrilled when we called his name, maybe the most excited I have ever been about a pick that wasn't an early round choice, and I have been maybe his biggest cheerleader since getting here.  Ive got a pretty good track record on WR's around here, and he was one I felt from the get go was going to be different and develop into a great player for us.  

 

Ive posted threads and countless comments about him since we took him, and here is a quote back in early May after the draft showing an example of that belief in him early on and not just since his mini breakout this year.  

 

 

Now after reading that above from May of 2022...watch this highlight video and tell me that doesn't look spot on to how I described hm.  From how he plays as a WR, to how he has some Deebo and AJ Brown in him with the ball in his hands.

 

SHAKIR HIGHLIGHTS CLICK HERE (highly suggest you watch before commenting to at least see what I am referencing)

 

This man is an excellent route runner...has sure hands...runs a 4.43 forty...is shifty...excels with YAC and is tough when running...and he is a smart player.  Most importantly, he has the drive to be great and trains in the offseason with players like Moulds.  His biggest shortcoming is he doesn't have long arms which makes him less of a go up and get it WR, but we don't need him to be that when he is so good at everything else.

 

2023 Stats: 87% Catch Rate, 39 Rec on 45 Targets, 611 Yards (13.5 yards per TARGET - insane), 15.6 YPC, 2 TD's

 

Diggs had 160 targets in 2023 for 1183 yards.  Now I know Diggs is drawing the best of the defense a lot of the times, so its not an apples to apples comparison.  But just out of curiosity, what does Shakir's season look like on 160 targets based on his stats last year?  

 

Diggs:  160 Targets, 107 Rec, 1183 yards, 8 TD's

Shakir:  160 Targets, 139 Rec, 2160 yards, 7 TD's

 

Again, I know that is an unrealistic comparison given the level of defensive attention both got and how Shakir benefits from the extra attention Diggs takes.  BUT...that is a massively different level of efficiency and effectiveness.  And defenses STILL will have to contend with Shakir, what ever rookie we draft, Kincaid, Samuel, Knox, Cook as receiver and Allen running.  So Shakir still should see plenty of opportunities against the defenses moving forward.  

 

I mean, even if he just gets up to 100 targets, that is still a 1,350 yard season, and make no mistake about it, he very well could (and probably should) see 100 targets this year.  He is going to be the ONLY WR with any experience and rapport with Josh entering camp, he definitely caught Josh's attention and the teams last year and became a play making machine who they trust.  This team notoriously likes to ease Rookies in as much as they can, so doubtful any rookie is coming in commanding anywhere near Diggs target share.  

 

Dorsey was an idiot for not using him in 2022 when we needed help bad in the slot...he was a bigger fool for not getting him involved earlier in 2023.  In Joe Bradys first game, Shakir had his first career 100 yard game and would go on to end the season with another one.  Diggs had 0 games with 100 yards during that stretch.  

 

In the aftermath of the Diggs trade...the time is now.  I think you will see Shakir emerge as a legit WR and legit weapon for this team and not only will he break 1000 yards this year, he very well may lead the team in both receptions and yards.  And I think he is one of the reasons they felt confident to trade Diggs now rather than later.  

 

You heard it hear first...and have been hearing it here about him since before the 2022 draft.  

 

#WitnessTheArrival

I hope you're right, but I have doubts.

 

Shakir hasn't shown me that he can consistently beat man coverage or find the openings in zone over 2 years.  Yes, he's young and still could be ascending, but I think he's not far from his ceiling.

 

I look at the acquisition of Samuel and think he's the ideal slot/Swiss army receiver, that we tried to force with Harty/McKenzie previously. 

 

Just not sure if Shakir will even see more targets than LY.  Kincaid has MUCH higher ceiling than Shakir, and by adding Samuel we will have a solid underneath-intermediate targets.

 

I think we're missing 2 legit outside WRs, 1 who is well rounded and the 2nd who can at least be a threat deep.  I just don't see Shakir being successful outside the slot, and there seems to be a plethora of options there now.  

 

We will see how this draft shakes out but I still think Khalil is a solid complementary weapon (like a #4 guy).  I'm hoping Beane doesn't bank on Shakir/Samuel outside, rather that he focuses on drafting two early WRs. 

 

It's the year to use draft capital (that fits the value) on WR.  A position that continues to increase in cap/$ value in FA, and deepest of many recent drafts.  We draft a combo of: Rd 1- Mitchell, Legette, Worthy, Thomas (with a tradeup), Rd 2- Coleman, Tez Walker, someone who surprisingly slides.

 

That would set us up for manageable cap at WR for next 4-5 seasons, focus next years FA/draft on DL again and secondary

[Diggs traded to Texans for picks]

2 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

I hope Beane learned something the year he "double dipped" at DE after announcing post 2020 season that "we couldn't affect the QB".  So he took Greg Rousseau, who was a high-ceiling, low floor guy due to limited playing experience in college, and Boogie Basham, who was supposed to be a solid floor but higher ceiling guy - but who played at a lower level of competition at Wake Forest.   In hindsight, I think Beane was reaching, 

 

In the end, we may get more value (and certainly more ROI) out of 2022 UDFA Kingsley Jonathan, and we missed on some players who could have helped us.  

I don't think Beane has a problem putting more young WR in the room.  Khalil is a 3rd year guy now; he's got vet Curtis Samuel and vet Mack Hollins who both know how to get through a season.

But I hope he's more likely to do what he did with Elam and Benford - draft a guy they like early, and double-dip by taking a shot at potential late in the draft.

I hear ya, and good points.

 

I'm just afraid a late round WR, won't feel the need at boundary/downfield guy.  If we draft a WR in the 1st (presumably who can do it all), we still have a hole at the other WR spot.  

 

I don't trust Samuel or Shakir outside, whatsoever.  Samuel for some snaps but he's better utilized in the slot/shorter quick routes and YAC.  

 

If our plan is to bring in a MVS or Thomas, post June 1st, then fine go WR late.  But I'd rather go WR in 1 and 2, where I'm almost certain the value will meet our picks.  Go for a S, 3 tech DT, CB, and a RB round 4+.  Then post June 1st, focus on DE and RB2 (if we don't draft someone).

 

My biggest concerns are WR and DE.  We have nobody is taking the top off defenses right now, and hope Beane is focused on acquiring speed/explosiveness early.  At DE, not sure a RD2 guy is going to move the needle.  I'd rather we go 1yr rental, like we did with Floyd. 

 

Ultimately, I trust Beane but he HAS to hit on immediate starter/impact guys in Rd 1 and 2 this year.

[Diggs traded to Texans for picks]

24 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

Samuel and Davis are very different players.  Davis was trying to be that Boundary Guy and he really didn't get it done when asked to be that clever route runner over the middle.  Samuel had his best year, with Joe Brady, playing something like 70+% of his snaps from the slot.  I think a more realistic hope is that he'll be the Beasley replacement Crowder and McKenzie were supposed to be.

 

I really like how Shakir came on last year and how Kincaid looked as a rookie - so smooth!  But I think it's a long stretch to think Kincaid can replace Diggs.

 

But with all respect, here's the thing: I think this "Jenga Game" with WR where the Bills (not just you) look at WR and argue something like "Davis sure looked All World in the playoffs against the Colts in 2020 and against KC in 2021.  And McKenzie has been stuck behind Beasley on the depth chart, but he seized his opportunity and showed what he could do against NWE and earlier against the Dolphins.   So we don't need to "splash" in FA or in the draft this year.

We project from what guys can do in an occasional game or while the D is focused on someone else.  The Bills seem to do this, too.

 

It doesn't necessarily work that way, though.

 

 

agree.  We need 2 quality boundary WRs, as I see it.  Samuel will be moved around, but he does best in the slot.  Shakir is 1b in the slot.  

 

I see Beane doing 1 of 3 things:

1. Double dip early at WR: value will be there in Rd1 and R2

2. Draft an early WR, then sign a MVS/Michael Thomas stop-gap post June 1st when we get the Tre cap money

3. Draft an early WR, and make a trade post June 1st (depending on who is shopping who, ie: Aiyuk, maybe)

 

I like Option 1, but not sure Beane will put that many young WRs in our room.  This makes the draft all that more interesting to me this year.  We have a chance to setup our WR core for the next 4-5 seasons, if Beane chooses to do so.

[La'al Collins signs for the Bills]

16 minutes ago, BeavercreekBillsFan said:

Why change the o line at all? It worked last year for once. You think oft-injured Collins or old Edwards is going to hold the left side? And we were healthy last year which won’t happen again. Add in trading a versatile bates, and I’m not seeing what there is to be positive about. No depth at all. 

Morse wasn't worth his contract at this point of his career.

 

And since you brought up injuries, Morse is always 1 concussion away from being done/career ending.  He also seems to battle through elbow injuries each year, and is not getting any younger.

 

Bates was versatile.  But it's very possible that Alec Anderson is our Swiss army guy at IOL.  Loser of Edwards/Collins battle also gives depth.  And we signed Clapp, who has solid starting experience.

 

Starting OL will be just as good, if not improved.  Remembering Torrence as a rookie and Brown showed his potential with a full offseason regimen (not coming off surgery/injury).  OL is least of concerns with the current roster.

[La'al Collins signs for the Bills]

9 minutes ago, BeavercreekBillsFan said:

My biggest issue isn’t even the Diggs trade. I’m more angry about Beane nuking the best OL he’s given Josh since he got here. Tired of Josh having to run for his life and not having weapons. This year we get both. 

How exactly did we "nuke" the OL?

 

Morse was slightly above average some games, but mostly average.  McGovern, Dawkins, Torrence and Brown return.  Edwards as well.

 

Yes Connor likely moves to C.  But that could be a very good thing.  Morse didn't hold up against 3-4 style, or anytime DT was in a 0 or 1i technique.

 

Edwards and Collins battle it out for LG.  Combined OL is just as good, if not better.  With Torrence likely improving and Brown as well.

 

We haven't even had the draft and you're prognisticating a bad WR room.  Let's see what happens in draft to start.  1st round WR and double dipping sometime later, and all of a sudden we might have a more diverse group since 2020

[Diggs traded to Texans for picks]

10 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

You could have just looked up the stats of his contemporaries. He was never elite even in his day. What got him to Canton was 4 SBs and an extremely long career (16 seasons) with high aggregate stats.

During his career his was never higher than 5th in receiving and hit that mark only twice (89 & 94). He was over 1300 yards both of those seasons , but his next two highest are just over 1100 and just over 1k. He was never top 5 in TDs in a season.

Andre Rison was a far better play who isnt in the HoF. So is Sterling Sharpe. Henry Ellard was arguably even better.

And you can't just look at stats to prove a point.

 

Diggs has been our main "target hog", since arriving.  Yes, Beasley for a couple seasons to take target share.  But we've never had a consistent run game, until this season.  Diggs had WAY more targets, of course his stats will look better.

 

Reed had a much stronger supporting cast, an MVP/HOF RB in Thurman who also ate alot of targets/attempts (rightfully so).  

 

Not to mention that Reed was one of the best YAC receivers of his era.  

 

Diggs is obviously great, in his own era/time with us too.

[Diggs traded to Texans for picks]

3 minutes ago, BeastMaster said:

I like Legette. He reminds me of AJ Brown...just a physical guy that can run and catch. He's big and fast enough with the physicality to win contested catches.

 

I also like Coleman, although I'm not sure he's quite fast enough to be a number one.

 

My preference is to get two guys in the first two rounds. I would be fine standing pat and drafting someone at 28 with a trade back for Legette, or Coleman, or Mitchell, or Worthy. 

 

I am not opposed to drafting Thomas, but I'm not moving up for him, and I'm getting another guy that is more NFL ready so he isn't forced into trying to be the guy right away.

 

Agree.

 

My "dream draft" is we land a combination of: Mitchell/Legette/Worthy/Coleman

 

Mitchell, Legette, Worthy are all possible/likely to come off the board from 21-40 IMO.  I think Coleman gets into the 40s, possible 50s due to his forty time.  But Coleman crushed the other "splits"/gauntlet drill, and created separation while at MSU (his time at FSU, in a simplified offense, didn't benefit him).

 

Get me some speed, and add a physical freak in Coleman who I think could be a steal in Rd2 (likely requiring a trade up).

 

Tez Walker is my fallback plan at 60.

 

This is the year to double dip at WR early.  We NEED downfield threats, more than 1.  Kincaid/Samuel/Shakir are solid underneath and intermediate options (Knox/Cook short too).  Samuel I think gets moved around alot/Swiss army knife.  But downfield, we have nobody I'd count on right now. And that was clearly missing in our arsenal LY.

 

Go get a 1 yr DE rental after draft.  Use rest of this years draft on best available at DT (3 tech), S, CB, and OL.