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Just now, HappyDays said:
11 picks in a row with no defensive players. The previous record was 7. That's where the league is now.
To be fair, the offensive talent is WAY better at the top this year.
I wouldn't come to any conclusion beyond that.
QBs and OTs are always top of draft, difference this year is that the best pass rusher and best CB are ranked in the teens.
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1 minute ago, Turbo44 said:
I think it’s too early for him but don’t be surprised if it’s Franklin at 28. They spent more time with him than any other prospect. Would like to see a trade down and pick up a 3rd and pick Franklin in rd 2
We spent ALOT of time with Worthy, Coleman, and teammates at Texas & FSU.
We shall see. I know the Franklin hype has been popular, but people forget how good Coleman was and obviously Worthy
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3 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:
Worthy, BTJ or Legette
I think it's Worthy or Coleman
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1 minute ago, Success said:
I think he has Trubisky written all over him.
No way, although I hope for Bills case.
Trubisky was a 1 year wonder, Maye could have been a high pick LY. He wasn't as good this year, but some changes coaching/Wrs occurred that contributed.
Maye / Herbert comps are pretty spot on.
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My Steeler insider is saying:
1. Steelers - going tackle, which I've mentioned a few times
2. Bills - not sure I trust him on this, but he's hearing Keon Coleman
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45 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:
Allen hasn't restructured yet and White comes off the books in 5 weeks
Agree on Allen, but we need to fit him under contract "immediately" upon trading for him.
Unless Min wants to wait until after June 1st....
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1 minute ago, Warriorspikes51 said:
How about: Insane 3 way trade
Pats trade down from 2 with Vikings for 11, 23, 2025 1st
Bills send 28, 2025 1st to get Justin Jefferson
Vikings get # 2, 28 & 2025 2nd
Let's play this out....
how do we afford JJ ATM? We don't have the cap space.
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Marvin Harrison Jr - Cardinals
Rome Odunze - Giants
Ladd McConkey - Patriots
Brian Thomas Jr. - 49ers
Xavier Worthy - Dallas
Bonus Bills pick: Keon Coleman
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Not necessarily to Buffalo....
Keon Coleman. He was ranked right on the cusp, as a top 5 WR during/after this college season. Then he runs a slow forty at the Combine, and others jumped ahead.
I think there's a chance he will go toward the end of Rd1
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Great work @GunnerBill as always. I've got one team connection, Steelers, and Mims is the guy from what im told.
Re: Bills, im really hoping Worthy and Thomas are on the board at our pick. At 28, or a small tradeup, to see who they truly value more.
I am in the Worthy camp myself, and draft/sign another WR later. Should be a fun night. Thanks for all you've shared/work on draft prep
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Fantastic read/write up.
I've watched a lot of Texas games and re studied videos of Worthy and Mitchell.
I'd move Worthy to Mitchell's spot, and Mitchell at top of tier 4 (#1 talent but more risks).
Worse case with Worthy, you get an excellent #2/complementary weapon. Agree he's not breaking alot of tackles, but he has the grit/toughness that he doesn't shy away. He played through injuries at Texas at a high level, he's hard working and dedicated to his craft. He gets the most separation, behind the 3 top players, by far. He'll be Zay Flowers as a rookie, without the attitude.
Mitchell is also a great player, but his game makes me hesitant (at least Rd 1). Talent is there, not sure how dedicated he is/has the work ethic to be successful in the NFL. I like his size/speed/route running, but concerns above + I don't think he gets off jams/plays through contact as well as you'd expect for his size. Maybe he's the next Pickens, maybe he's a bust. He's the highest risk/reward at WR IMO.
I'd also put Polk alot higher. He's easily going to be a solid #2 as a floor, his ceiling isn't as high as some, but he is a very safe pick.
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13 minutes ago, Low Positive said:
I don't think so. People requesting trades from the Bengals used to be an almost yearly occurrence and Mike Brown always tells them that they signed the contract and now they will play under it until it is over. Renegotiating contracts before they are over is something that he doesn't do. That's why I was surprised when they extended Burrow before they absolutely had to. Remember, Carson Palmer asked for trades for two straight years before he finally took the step of actually holding out. It still took them almost an entire season to finally back down and move him. In the case of Mike Bown, it is partially a belief in strict adherence to the salary cap system that the small market clubs fought for but mostly a lack of liquidity.
Agree on how Mike Brown is, but this is a different day and age from 5+ years ago.
This stuff hits the main media guys and it's usually a new contract/long term deal OR they're shipped out.
We shall see over next couple days. I'd think Cincy would want immediate compensation in this year's draft.
Those are great players, but Cincy would be in position to draft replacements/value where they are/could be.
Carolina trading #33 for Higgins makes alot of sense. Tre, I think there's a decent chance he could get his deal re-done.
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24 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:
23-28: Xavier Worthy
33-39: Xavier Legette
Worthy has been my "hope" since the Fall.
He's gonna be an excellent player for whoever drafts him.
Not sure Beane trades up to double dip, but I'm certainly more than fine if that's our combo.
Perfect complementary types and could give us a very young/affordable group of playmakers for multiple years.
Definitely think we need 2 WRs. Javon Baker or Tez Walker are potential fall back options at 60, or moving back from 60 to acquire more picks on Day 2/very early day 3.
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1 hour ago, MrEpsYtown said:
Man people are gonna be mad when we draft Chop Robinson.
“When Manny Diaz speaks, I listen” McDermott at the press conference.
If we stay put at 28, draft Chop, then trade up in the 2nd for Franklin/another WR high on their board them I'm fine with it.
Chop has an excellent get off, and DE/pass rusher is a need. Just not as much as WR.
Good chance Chop is gone by 28, and I will be mad if they trade up more than a few spots to draft him.
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Cincy would be wise to keep them happy, but this likely ends with trades tomorrow night or Day2
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Seems to be "some" discussion about a trade for JJ.
Is there a scenario we can create $16+m prior to draft? Which is about what we would need.
I know Josh has some 2024 "cap savings" left on the table, but forget how much/other option if we indeed were trying to swing a major trade
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59 minutes ago, HappyDays said:
My blockbuster trade prediction is:
Bills receive:
Justin Jefferson
2025 4th
Vikings receive:
2024 1st
2025 2nd
Not even possible with our cap situation, even after June 1st- let alone prior to draft.
We need to fit him under the cap, before we offer any extension.
I think we stay put at 28, then trade #60 to Was for 78 and 100.
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3 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:
Thanks and it’s what I’ve heard in regards to Ravens and Morgan as well.
I agree Mims could go 20 or 24 too, I had the hardest time placing him as he is in play in a few spots. I still think JPJ just feels like a Steelers guy though and a big need for them and Dallas badly needs to add some play making and speed too. So I have this feeling they will fall in love with Worthy opposite Lamb and look to address OL later. But would not surprise me at all if they end up going OL, and it’s what I would do if I was Dallas.
My Pitt media insider is saying Mims or potential trade back for Steelers. He's not perfect, but right more often than not. JPJ if trade back.
He also mentioned Rd2 focus for Steelers is WR, hearing Roman Wilson or Pearsall.
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1 hour ago, Ralonzo said:
Thanks Gunner... so many guys that are really intriguing to me that I think could really help the Bills are sadly right in that hole between 60 and 128
Thanks a lot NFL 
There's one team that could help, if they want to trade up for 60....and that's Washington.
78 and 100 = 60 on Rich Hill chart.
That would be a trade that Beane should do in a heartbeat. Give us a chance to add some combo of DL/S, where the value should meet the need
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Even though McDaniel seems to love Worthy, I'll be shocked if Miami passes on OL, with their 1st rounder. There are only so many targets on offense to go around, and there will be great value for them at OL to pick from. They could easily hit the WR well in 2nd-4th to fill there #3 role.
I'm definitely the highest on Worthy around here, and think there is a shot he's there at 28. But if BTJ is there, moving up like you laid out makes sense.
Rd2, I'm back and forth. I think this is where we could go either direction. If we don't move up in 1st round, we could try getting close to top of round for a DL. If we move back from 60, I like Washington as a trade partner. We get 78 and 100 for 60.
That puts us in a better spot to get value at DT/DL and S in round 3. Then I'd even make another trade in round 4, giving up both 4ths and a 5th to Ariz or Carolina, at top of round 4, to go grab another WR (say Baker is still there).
That'd garner us:
Rd 1: Worthy (possibly), Franklin as a fall back (possibly we move back 6-8 picks if comfortable with 1-2 more guys)
Rd 3 (traded our Rd 2 to Wash): pick 2 from best remaining
DL: Orhorhoro/Trice/Maason Smith at DL
S: Kinchens/Bullard
WR: Baker, Rice
4th: RB2 or S,DL,WR (whichever we don't land in Rd3)
Gets us an extra pick on Day 2, and helps us address 1 more area of need.
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13 minutes ago, Beck Water said:
That's actually a valid point, for some reason I keep mentally editing out Curtis Samuel who has shown he is a solid player.
So we have 3 receivers who between them, last season, contributed 174 catches and 1899 yds.
I honestly do think Samuel is a good player who has the potential to 'do a Beasley' and exceed his previous career year, so contribute in the high-800s/low 900s in a chain moving way from the slot.
I think I keep editing him out because last time I was modestly enthused about a low-level off season signing it went awry.
Exactly, Samuel will be a nice complementary piece. Quick passes, his strongest skillset is YAC and gaining extra yards after contact (being a former RB).
My concern is the downfield passing game. We have plenty of short to intermediate options. Downfield though, we don't have a single player that I trust to fill that role. Samuel, he can mix it up and win some 1-1s but not his strong suit. Shakir, he doesn't show the body control to me outside the hashes downfield. Down the seam against zone, ok.
Hollins was brought in, he's done this in the past a bit but he's not who we want to rely on.
We absolutely need 2 draft picks capable of winning downfield, be it speed or size/50 50 ability. Counting on 1 early pick is risky, with our current group and makes me think back to 2019 when Smoke was our only reliable guy deep...teams figured out how to defend our offense at the end. Need a variety of options.
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18 hours ago, mrags said:
I have said before. I’m all for going with Worthy with the first pick. Westerners at 28 or a trade back. Love his speed. But hoping if they decide that, they double dip fairly early and try and get a bigger bodied WR to go with him. Legette in the 2nd (maybe with a trade up) Polk, Burton, Baker, Rice, Coleman, McMillan, Walker, McCaffrey
I'm with you on Worthy, he was my guy even before the Combine. Knew he would crush the 40, he's going to have a Zay Flowers type season for some team (hopefully us). If he played on Oregon or another team with a legit QB, he'd be a top 15 guy.
Agree it would be nice to draft a complementary tandem at WR, bigger bodied as you say. Someone who is a better blocker, can win downfield on 50/50 attempts and redzone.
I like Tez and Coleman in Rd2, but don't think Beane will double dip that early. If we wait until 4th, I like Javon Baker alot. And some others that might slide due to it being a deep class.
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1 minute ago, Beck Water said:
I certainly agree with you on that last point, and about Kincaid/Shakir as ascending players. But as I said previously, 2 receivers isn't enough. We need at least 4 (IMO).
I can't disagree on evidence as to any of the guys on that list being capable, but Beane did make the analogy to Terrel Bernard and Boy Howdy, this time last year if anyone asked whether any of Terrel Bernard, Baylon Spector, or Tyrell Dodson were capable of holding down starting linebacker spots (much less Dodson and Bernard starting together), I would have said "Hell to the NO!". Wouldn't you?
And sure, he may have been using typical pre-draft GMspeak to which people who count (other front offices) doubtless pay no attention so, why?Not sure why you keep saying "2 receivers". My point is simple:
1. Can't believe everything Beane is saying right now. A couple years ago he mentioned counting on Boogie to take hold of a starting DE spot. Then proceeded to sign Von. Same example about talking up Dane, then drafting Elam. He's always propping his current guys and expecting more of them.
2. Beane is going to draft more WRs. Likely 2. So when you say we have "2 receivers", that won't be the case in 9 days.
Our core group for passing targets is likely to be: Samuel, Kincaid, Rd1 pick, Shakir, Rd 4 pick, Cook, Knox
As to who those 2 draft picks will be, that's anyone's opinion as of now. My "hope" is they take:
Rd 1: Worthy (if there), or Franklin
Rd4: Javon Baker
Gives us 2 legitimate downfield threats, both guys would be versatile to move around the offense (as Beane/Brady seem to want). They complement each other's skill sets well, ie: Worthy or Franklin are separators/lean/rely on speed and quicks.... Baker is stronger built/capable blocker/50 50 downfield guy, with good speed.
So when Beane makes it sound like the Justin Shorters or Andy Isabellas of our team are to be relied on, that's just GM speak to me. We've seen nothing from any of the guys you listed that provides what we need. More likely they're battling for the last WR spot with Hollins, or against each other if we keep 6. Either way, not a significant impact to our success in 2024
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31 minutes ago, Beck Water said:
Me, I'll go.
I was thinking he looked lost in space and slow in the game he played subbing for Milano his rookie season, and I had no expectation that we would see the level of play from him we saw.
Contrary points, Bernard had a scouting report that included this:
He also was game active for all 16 games and played regular snaps on ST
I did a bit of a deep dive because I wanted to know if there were hints of anything similar in any of the PS WR or last year's rookies.
I personally didn't see it in the stuff I dug up, but maybe I wasn't looking at it right. I guess the most promising to me based on write-ups would be Bryan Thompson.
It's certainly within the realm of possibility for both Kincaid and Shakir to elevate their games (not sure we'll see Shakir beating man coverage, esp. from the outside).
But when we had a higher level of WR talent in '20 and '21, we had more than 2 guys.
When we only had 2 guys (Brown and Beasley) in '19, it wasn't enough.
Pretty much just Diggs and Davis in 2022, Ditto.
No argument here, about needing more weapons on offense (regarding your point on prior years). All in agreement there.
I just don't think any of the guys you listed are capable, and also think this is typical "Beaneisms" this time of year.
Kincaid/Shakir are the only young ascending players. Question is still out about their ceiling/development this season.
Beane would be smart to take 2 WRs in one of the deepest classes in quite a while.
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Live 2024 NFL Draft thread - Round 1 (Do NOT tip the Bills pick)
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Cincy and Rams make alot of sense, for DL picks.
Value will certainly be there.