daz28
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2 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:
I didn’t start this thread. You’re free not to click on it.
I won't. You're free not to defend this kind of silliness. Quick question, which president said, "I always wanted to play it down". For a group that doesn't want government making decisions for them, the Republicans didn't mind that for some reason. Bottom line is hating on Biden is just because he won. There's simply no other reason than people are butthurt their guy lost.
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1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said:
The current President inherited a country with a stocked cabinet of PPE, ventilators and three working vaccines. That’s a lot better position than the last President inherited. That just a fact. The reason people are pointing out the Biden deaths is BECAUSE all of this is silly! Neither President is responsible for Covid deaths. The virus is all over the planet for God’s sake.
So delete the thread if it's silly
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1 minute ago, oldmanfan said:
Wish I could agree, but his narcissism and ego won't allow him to have his legacy as losing the presidency. He'd want to try again, but that will be impossible to do from prison. I believe he'll be indicted and convicted for fraud, extortion, or other charges in NYS, probably Georgia, and quite possibly in DC.
He will never have more votes than he had last time. You don't pick up voters by insurrections. He's finished as a politician.
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1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said:
No, there’s not more extremists, but once you look in the mirror to discover that BOTH sides of the political aisle are doing the exact same thing then ‘what about’ terminology just makes you look silly.
Whataboutisms ALWAYS make the person look dumb, even if it's factual. It used to be simply called deflection, and was always the weakest stance.
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2 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:
There, we agree. Trump has zero interest in being President again. He went to Washington to try and get things done and found out that Washington isn’t built for getting things done. Both sides of the aisle are awash with career politicians who’s central purpose is getting re-elected...not getting things done. At least not for the American middle class anyway. Sad.
Now we move onto the Republicans falling in love with MTG, while they bash AOC's credentials. It's all a bunch of nonsense.
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Once again a Republican leaves a huge mess, but this time the clowns are only going to give the new Democrat president 3 weeks to clean up that mess??? Now THIS is juvenile!
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1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said:
Would you guys PLEASE stop using that talking point term? It’s juvenile!
I'd prefer if people just stop using the tactic, then we won't have to use the term.
Topics like this are stupid anyways. Extremism is the problem, not which side is bringing it. It seems like there's more extremists than sane people.
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1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said:
Wonderful. Time to close the book on all of this greatness rhetoric. Can we get on with ‘transforming the country’ now?
I was done with it before impeachment. There was zero chance in hell he would be convicted, but also zero chance he's ever re-elected. If a president who lost on his Covid response wins after an insurrection, I'll eat a shoe.
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26 minutes ago, Wacka said:
Time for Congress to get to work instead of chasing the orange Boogieman and going on vacation.
According to Trump's defense team, the Democrats should be filing a dereliction of duty impeachment charge, and this time taking more time to gather evidence. So far his own lawyer has said he lost the election, should be criminally charged, and impeachments should have line by line charges. Oy vey!
1 minute ago, ALF said:Read McConnell's remarks on the Senate floor following Trump's acquittal
and reiterate something I said weeks ago: There is no question that President Trump is practically and morally responsible for provoking the events of that day.
"The people who stormed this building believed they were acting on the wishes and instructions of their President.
"And their having that belief was a foreseeable consequence of the growing crescendo of false statements, conspiracy theories, and reckless hyperbole which the defeated President kept shouting into the largest megaphone on planet Earth."The leader of the free world cannot spend weeks thundering that shadowy forces are stealing our country and then feign surprise when people believe him and do reckless things.
"Indeed, Justice Story specifically reminded that while former officials were not eligible for impeachment or conviction, they were "still liable to be tried and punished in the ordinary tribunals of justice."
https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/13/politics/mcconnell-remarks-trump-acquittal/index.html
A long and a very good explanation, I accept it
The only problem is he said impeachment is for removal. Well, he decided it would be ok for a president who formed an insurrection to stay in office for another week. One could only beg the question to McConnell, "is it possible he does more damage in the week you let him remain in office?".
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Mitch McConnell basically said that he was guilty as hell, but we had to let him go, because the arresting officer didn't read him his rights. To the Republican nutbars that's the equivalent of complete and total vindication. Wayy too many people live in an alternate reality.
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1 hour ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:
No BLM members could be opportunistic criminals? Some member is the protest for equality fired bottle rockets, bottles, molotov cocktails at law enforcement officers huddled in groups of ten or 20. People, including LEO, were beaten savagely across the country. People were murdered at various locations throughout the summer. The perpetrators were all political agnostics who huddled within the mother breast of the crowd?
I guess I'm struggling with how you get to murder is murder but some murder is worse. It just sounds as if you find certain murders palatable while others abhorrent.
I'll give you an example. Hitler killing 6 million jews is worse than an American soldier killing a POW after they killed his buddy. There's clearly a difference there, right?
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2 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:
Holy cow.
So, you're a single mom working as a clerk at an appliance store, or as a security guard at night. 10,000 people are peacefully protesting outside, bringing attention to their cause. A splinter 10 or 15 opportunist/gang bangers see the TV section, realize that nothing defines unity like a 52" Sanyo 4D, they break in, shoot the security guard in the head and the single mom in the stomach.
These murders are better than the other murders?
Did that really happen? If so, I'd say it wasn't due to BLM. It was simply opportunistic criminals
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4 minutes ago, Wacka said:
The only murder I see is the woman the Capitol Cops shot. The cop was claimed to have been beaten with a fire extinguisher, but from what I read, there was no blunt force trauma. The others died from srokes or heart attacks.
Yeah, but did you see her death certificate. People are saying.........
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16 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:
you can do whatever you want with your maga love/hate... you all look the same.but to add some facts here, as of 1/26, 150 charged, many facing significant jail time including potential murder charges.
FBI has sieved capital hill atm records, tracing and question of cell phones on network, capturing video evidence.
a former president was impeached again and may be retroactively convicted after getting fired from office of inciting and insurrection or at worst acquitted by a minority and disgraced.
But keep buying the narrative they all got off.
Oh I see so those murderers were justified. I see. Brilliant
The most serious crime so far is entering a restricted area. No murder charges at all. I'll put a large wager that the president walks away with a great pension/benefits. Heck, he may even be president again??
We shall see.
The justified murder comment is a cheap shot. There's a difference between someone dying for a movement, and someone dying for sheer stupidity. Maybe not for the families involved, but there's certainly a difference.
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2 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:
That tweet, is a very valid question, however to your rather inhuman tone deaf retort, You think those that lost loved ones or businesses they spent their life building would agree with you?The major difference is one situation was due to a true injustice, and the other was borne of lies spread to support the will of one evil man.
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2 minutes ago, BillStime said:
NO ONE can watch these videos of the insurrection and equate them with looting a Target!The cherry on top will be that no one is criminally charged as the ring leader, and those involved get light sentences. No one will be held responsible for the death, destruction, and lasting impact on our country. THIS IS MAGA!
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1 minute ago, reddogblitz said:
That's why we need term limits.
How do you get them to vote for their own demise?? I can't even understand why these people want to literally die in their seats. Retire, and enjoy what's left of your life ffs. It must be a massive rockstar like power trip.
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3 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:
Just watch and wait... I’m extrapolating, maybe... but As a really disgusted agnostic (ever since I lived abroad 20 years ago and saw the us from the outside) I watch the mouthpieces from both sides and see the spin. Impeachment managers are by most impartial accounts acting professionally and just trying to prosecute the case, it’s not them. they don’t form the national agenda or narrative at large.
Watch for the rhetoric as it emerges from the party leaders, and their sides pandering media.
Heck half the board here thinks anyone who reluctantly chose the deplorable R ticket because they can’t stand the Democratic policies even more are fascists etc. Republicans think Democrats who voted for Biden want communism.. both parties political debate, (as seen with many here who refuse to try and educate them selves, see the issues through the spin and propaganda machine) it is simply if you have a different opinion than mine you are scum.
Pretty much all American politicians are scum. You kinda have to choose which slimepit you want to endorse.
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1 minute ago, snafu said:
I've already said my peace about Trump in this thread. He's his own worst enemy and we're witnessing the impeachment because of him.
The second part wasn't meant for you. It merged it there
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1 minute ago, snafu said:
What?
Bernie Bros pulled their support in 2016 because the D party rigged the primaries in favor of Clinton. Sorry, Bernie, no nomination for you, we've got our candidate with political clout and the party decisionmakers are behind her -- not you. Then in 2020, they pulled their support because Warren stayed in the race one day too long, killing Bernie's chances and reviving Biden's nearly dead campaign. Sorry, again, Bernie, we've got our candidate with political clout and the party decisionmakers are behind him -- not you. That's coercion via political clout.
I won't argue Bernie got screwed, probably more than once, but it's still not the same
While people were dying, and people were calling their loved ones thinking it may be the last time they talk, Trump was calling to see if the insurrection was getting anyone to change their votes. Even if you don't believe he's responsible for this, he is undeniably a complete and utter POS of the highest magnitude.
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I'm still waiting for the video of Trump physically dragging them all into the Capital. Until then, this is all just political theater. 😉
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3 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:
Where did I say that? If the President is asking for support of his request for an investigation into election fraud, that’s not supporting insurrection.
People were literally being killed at that exact moment. Seriously dude, c'mon
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Meanwhile in Oregon: In the view of the Oregon Republican Party, what transpired on January 6 was not an insurrection and the rioters who stormed the U.S. Capitol were not supporters of Donald Trump. Rather, the uprising that the world witnessed that day was a “false flag.” Its aim, according to the party, was to discredit Trump and “advance the Democrat goal of seizing total power, in a frightening parallel to the February 1933 burning of the German Reichstag.”
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2 minutes ago, 716er said:
Wouldn't you agree working the phones to sway people to the side of the insurrectionists looking to kill the VP Pence during the insurrection is a little different than working the phones to see if he's got votes?
I see what you are saying but to compare the two as equal is a stretch.
Hey, gotta keep them phones working, I mean everybody dies sometime, right?????????????
Trump Impeachment 2.0
in Politics, Polls, and Pundits
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Student debt forgiveness won't be easy to pass. Over 50% of Americans support it though. I'm just curious why the Republicans are ALWAYS against things popular with Americans. Last time I checked, they were the group who didn't want a government making big brother decisions for them. A government of the people should act not just in the interest of the people, but coincidentally with what ideas the people favor and want.