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    9/7/25 1st Half Game Thread - Bills vs Ravens SNF

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    Just now, Utah John said:

    The Bills get caught up in manhood contests sometimes. The last possession was second and short and then third and short, and they got stuffed both times.  Their best player is Josh Allen and there are plays to be made if the Bills let him do it.  There's no point in trying to force a play into the middle of the line when there are opportunities elsewhere.

    Well said, that’s what we’ve done in the playoffs at times. Coaching staff have essentially said it’s up to the big guys to be able to get one yard. Well.. when you have Allen at QB, proving the toughness of your oline isn’t priority. 

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    9/7/25 GAMEDAY Thread Home Opener Bills vs Ravens SNF

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    1 minute ago, MikePJ76 said:

    I miss no intro's.

     

    A few overweight balding middle aged guys talking about strategy into commercial into wide shots of the stadium and a quick voice over intro from a half in the bag Pat summerall who would then throw it to a starving john madden.  

     

    then the games would be great.  No overproduction, over marketed build up, no botoxed bright white veneered jackasses telling us the key is running the ball for 3 hours.

     

    yes i am grumpy because I am prepping for a loss and the arrogant ravens to run their mouth's after.

    This is a very old fashioned take, I don’t see too many balding middle aged men on tv anymore, even Drew Brees got a hair transplant. With that said, I agree. 

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    The Worthy Trade Keeps Looking Worse and Worse

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    8 minutes ago, SoTier said:

     

    They didn't have "the luxury of drafting a player with a limited skillset" in the first round.  They needed another every down WR plus a better OT than they had as well some youth on their DL.   They were desperate to add another speed demon like Tyreek, so they were willing to overlook Worthy's negatives to get that speed.  

     

     

    You’re not necessarily wrong, but I think the Chiefs believed they had that luxury. I don’t think all GM’s value big physical every down receivers the way fans do. I agree, they were desperate for the next Tyreek Hill, but Hill became a superstar, and he certainly wasn’t the type of prototype dominant receiver I grew up watching. 

    6 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

    He named a Heisman winner as an outlier lol

     

    Davante Smith plays much bigger than his size...

     

    Worthy does not.. Tyreek Hill doesn't play like he's 5 ft 9... Worthy does play like a little guy so I don't think he's changing that anytime soon

    Worthy does play like a little guy, but the Chiefs wanted big plays, he can still provide those. We drafted Coleman because we wanted a physical receiver who can thrive against tight coverage. Teams draft for different needs. Worthy had 59 receptions last season, that’s a decent rookie year. I don’t know why so many want to convince themselves he’s garbage. 

    Kansas City vs. Los Angeles Chargers in Sao Paulo (free stream on YT) (no Bills discussion please)

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    3 hours ago, hondo in seattle said:

     

    When OT Jawaan Taylor committed his third penalty of the game, Kelce started jawing at him.

     

    Later, All-World Chris Jones broke contain and let Herbert get outside for a crucial first down.  Jones and LB Drue Tranquill got into it after the play.  

     

    Reminded me of the Bickering Bills - but worse.  It's certainly not the kind of behavior you see on the current edition of the Bills. 

     

    The first game of the season and we're already seeing disunity on the Chiefs.  I think that's a good sign for us and, yeah, I think you would have enjoyed it.  I did.    

     

     

     

    There must be some code of honor in the NFL fraternity nowadays. I’ve never understood why opponents don’t do everything in their power to get under Kelce’s skin. He has tantrums on the field quite easily when things don’t go his way. We don’t see it often because things typically go in favor of KC. I’ve always thought annoying Kelce would be a good way to slow down his production, and maybe even get him tossed from a game. The NFL just doesn’t have the goon role like the older days. 

    The Worthy Trade Keeps Looking Worse and Worse

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    1 hour ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

     

    Taking a guy like Worthy for gimic like plays isn't a bad idea, but taking him in 1st round, and then using him as an every down player is risky.

     

    Could turn out this is the only injury of his career or was just lucky last year.

     

    Was funny injury happened right after  announcers said KC plans to use him more this year

    KC was in the position where they have the luxury of drafting a player with a limited skillset. It was toward the end of the first round, and I’m sure they viewed him as a role player, but one who could contribute to more Super Bowl wins. 

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    The Worthy Trade Keeps Looking Worse and Worse

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    3 hours ago, muppy said:

    this is a great post and something I have wondered about. You would think that as a simple matter of physics a guy 150 soaking wet would do poorly when colliding with someone of much larger size. 

     

    But  what you wrote made me think twice and realize it's not as simple as that

    I always equated small size with fragile in the NFL

     

    the punishment on a smaller frame is the same as a larger at the physical level NFL players play?

     

    Its an interesting discussion

    yeah injuries are the bane of ALL NFL teams.

     

    wishing injury on someone is a bad look. It invokes dare I say karma

     

    yeah Its an unfortunate part of the game but next man UP right? right.

    I figured this thread would be bumped after last night. KC losing was a nice way to spend a Friday night not gonna lie

    Exactly, it seems obvious that a larger object colliding with someone smaller is bad for the smaller person. However, I think there’s a lot more at play, I’m not a science guy, but NFL players seem equally injury prone. While other players happen to be somewhat immune to injury with good fortune.
     

    Remember, these 165 pound NFL players aren’t skin and bones. These guys are in peak condition, and likely more muscle bound than the average 230 pound dude on the street. I’m sure smaller players don’t absorb hits as well, but once again, there’s more at play. Being a large human (muscular or not) puts a lot of stress on the body also. They might absorb hits better, but their joints, bones, and muscles must work really hard. I just think these things really even out the injury risk. 

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    The Worthy Trade Keeps Looking Worse and Worse

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    1 hour ago, NoSaint said:


    it’s the proverbial qb under 6’2, OT with short arms, etc… 

     

    it’s not impossible to do but there’s a reason that despite fast 170 lbs guys being a more common body type, there’s more fast 210 lbs guys at wr in the nfl

     

    that said, it’s not a deal breaker either and it’s silly to think he’s going to wilt every time he’s touched and can’t do things to minimize the biggest hits 

    I agree, I’m not saying we’re going to see a bunch of elite small guys. It’s just the injury factor for those guys is severely overrated imo. The reason we don’t see a bunch of QB’s under 6’2 is because they can’t see the field, not due to injury risk. The same holds true for size at other positions for different reasons. 

    The Worthy Trade Keeps Looking Worse and Worse

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    Just now, NewEra said:

    i hear ya.  Maybe my premonition is false.  I still don’t want to draft a player in rd 1 that weighs 165 pounds. I never will.  
     


     

    I understand that, but most of those guys are role players, slot receivers, and change of pace running backs. They aren’t the type you’d draft in the first round to begin with. If a guy at 165lbs were a dominant receiver for a big time program, I wouldn’t hesitate taking him in the first round. 

    The Worthy Trade Keeps Looking Worse and Worse

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    1 hour ago, NewEra said:

    Thats because you’ve never really seen many 165 pound players.  
     

    In NFL history-  name some good players that weighed 165 pounds

    Davonta Smith is 170lbs and seems to be doing just fine. Cole Beasley had a nice career at 174. I just think it’s false to assume these guys are going to injured anymore than the next guy. 

    1 hour ago, Augie said:

     

    Bosa and Gronk play a physical brand of football (and I wouldn’t ignore the potential juice factor contributing to injury). Worthy is all about avoiding contact to survive. He’s not a guy you put out there to help in the run game. There is a very good reason the NFL is not littered with 165 lb guys. 

     

    AI Overview

    For the 2025 NFL season, there are very few players who weigh less than 170 lbs

    . Based on current reports, some players include: 

    Tez Johnson (Tampa Bay Buccaneers): At 154 pounds, the rookie wide receiver is the lightest player in the NFL.

    Xavier Worthy (Kansas City Chiefs): This speedster wide receiver is listed at 165 pounds.

    Blake Grupe (New Orleans Saints): The kicker is listed at 156 pounds.

    Jake Elliott (Philadelphia Eagles): The Eagles' kicker is listed at 167 pounds.

    KaVontae Turpin (Dallas Cowboys): The Pro Bowl return specialist is listed at 153 pounds. 

    It's important to remember that roster weights can change throughout the season due to player development and team adjustments.

    I hear you, but it reminds me of the DaVonta Smith argument when Philly drafted him. I didn’t understand, because if a 170 pound guy survives high level college football, why are we assuming he’ll be injured in the NFL? Yes, NFL players are more physically gifted, but SEC football players are big dudes too. 

    The Worthy Trade Keeps Looking Worse and Worse

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    3 minutes ago, Augie said:

     

    It was posted above that we drafted the CB version of Worthy in Hairston. Both are 5’11” super fast guys. Hairston came out of college listed as 183lbs. Worthy was a puny 167lbs. That begs the question of durability from even an uninterested bystander.  Time will tell, but it’s a legit concern. 

    I’ve never seen too much correlation between weight and injury issues. Think of the small slot receivers over the years who were incredibly durable. Is there a chance someone at that size is injury prone? Absolutely, but I don’t think it’s a major concern. Then you have guys like Bosa and Gronk who were always injured.  

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